|
Fantastic episode with one exception: the scene where they all stand in the lab and give us the cliffnotes version of an episode they couldn't make because Leonard Nimoy couldn't/wouldn't do it. I understand why but it was a little confusing. Why would Walter et al. trust William Bell post-him-trying-to-destroy-the-entire-universe-and-replace-it-with-lovely-cgi-batmonsters? Walter, do you remember when he basically forced you to shoot Olivia in the face? When his henchman shot Astro? Water under the bridge, eh? And then apparently William Bell was deceiving them. SHOCKER.
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2012 23:38
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 2, 2024 18:29 |
|
|
I just had my first Red Vine. My god, what the hell is Walter thinking? I'm definitely in the Twizzlers camp.
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2012 23:42
|
|
|
Aatrek posted:I just had my first Red Vine. My god, what the hell is Walter thinking? Yeah, Red Vines are terrible. Completely flavorless.
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2012 23:44
|
|
|
Was it just me or were the head movements of the Oberservers/Peter really overplayed this episode?
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 00:08
|
|
|
I don't know why thinking and acting and predicting to such a higher degree automatically means you must become autistic. I can't wait for the inevitable scene where Walter makes some absolutely delicious and tasteful meal and Peter has to pretend he can taste it at all. Followed by asking where the pepper is.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 00:11
|
|
|
HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:Was it just me or were the head movements of the Oberservers/Peter really overplayed this episode? Yeah, all the stuff with him being more "logical" and less emotional made sense, but the stuff like weird head movements and whatnot just made no sense and it made things much less believable, and was pretty annoying. It doesn't help that Joshua Jackson is the worst actor on the show by miles.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 00:30
|
|
|
Deakul posted:Yeah, Red Vines are terrible. Is Red Vines a sponsor or just a humorous dick move by the producers after Twizzlers stopped advertising?
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 00:35
|
|
|
What I think really bugs me is that Peter and especially Olivia are all of a sudden such tragic characters now, and really mostly off-screen during the season break too. They've had a daughter, lost their daughter, came back, lost their daughter AGAIN and now Olivia is pretty much losing Peter because he's turning into some kind of proto-Observer. And we've only ever really seen half of it while the whole backstory is basically told in one cheesy flashback sequence of a kid running in a park and observers appearing. I think that's also why I didn't really care about Ettas death all that much, even though it's obviously a catalyst for how the show is going to end.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 00:51
|
|
|
There are definitely limitations to the budget, or not being able to get Spock back in person again, that are hindering a bit of the scope the story is going for right now. I'm trying to just kind of accept it without too much fuss because it's great we have all of this finality to the show at all. Remember how depressed and sad this place used to get when everyone was worrying about ratings? Oh man.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 01:03
|
|
|
AwkwardKnob posted:There are definitely limitations to the budget, or not being able to get Spock back in person again, that are hindering a bit of the scope the story is going for right now. I'm trying to just kind of accept it without too much fuss because it's great we have all of this finality to the show at all. Remember how depressed and sad this place used to get when everyone was worrying about ratings? Oh man. Yeah exactly. I'll take a somewhat lower budget season that might miss a couple of important points or feel a little off-kilter if it means being able to finish the story, rather than having some guesswork cliffhanger that gets answered a year from now at Comic Con or something.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 01:30
|
|
|
Did they retcon what happened before this season? I feel like there is a big gap between the last season and this one, and I'm not excactly sure what happened.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 01:33
|
|
|
wrong threadaz posted:Did they retcon what happened before this season? I feel like there is a big gap between the last season and this one, and I'm not excactly sure what happened. Everything happened from Season 4. Then they got ambered. der juicen fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Nov 18, 2012 |
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 01:42
|
|
|
I guess the thing for this season is like, Walter and Peter giving up their humanity to save the world. I kinda hope there's no reset button, they both become the thing they loathe the most but it's worth it because it saves everyone else. It seems to be leaving Olivia out a bit, but oh well.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 01:49
|
|
|
Calling it now. Peter -> September.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 04:51
|
|
|
Ingram posted:Calling it now. Peter -> September. Nah I think the kid Observer is September. I like the 'Peter is the first Observer' theory. They'd have to find a way to mesh it into the Observers still existing after Peter poofed himself out of the universe, though.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 05:00
|
|
|
Taffer posted:Yeah, all the stuff with him being more "logical" and less emotional made sense, but the stuff like weird head movements and whatnot just made no sense and it made things much less believable, and was pretty annoying. I interpreted it as the show expressing to us just how much that little device changes and removes our humanity. We become robotic in our perceptions and expressions; a Data from ST:NG in "meat bag" form.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 05:01
|
|
|
az posted:Did they retcon what happened before this season? I feel like there is a big gap between the last season and this one, and I'm not excactly sure what happened. Yeah, there was a four or five year gap between last season and the characters getting ambered.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 05:19
|
|
|
Ingram posted:Calling it now. Peter -> September. At one point I was thinking maybe Peter -> Windmark. muscles like this? posted:Yeah, there was a four or five year gap between last season and the characters getting ambered. Season 4 ends in 2012, the Observers invade in 2015, and the Fringe team gets ambered sometime in 2015-2016.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 05:25
|
|
|
girlwithgloves posted:The Man Who Sold The World was the most perfect Bowie song choice. I always wondered if they would provide Bowie fan payoff after all of those Bowie references and drat, was that perfect! Yeah, that was one of the best soundtrack choices of the entire series. I actually prefer the Nirvana cover, but the Bowie version worked better for the scene.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 05:50
|
|
|
Ingram posted:Calling it now. Peter -> September. Bandwagoning this theory.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 08:34
|
|
|
Shooting Blanks posted:the Nirvana cover Ohhh that's why the song sounded familiar. I'm young and stupid and didn't realize it was a cover.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 08:59
|
|
|
If Peter is September. Can he redo the past when he distracted Walter from finding the cure for himself? If so then they can avoid everything from happening and reset the universe. Depends what kind of time travel theory they go with?
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 09:26
|
|
|
Ingram posted:If Peter is September. Can he redo the past when he distracted Walter from finding the cure for himself? If so then they can avoid everything from happening and reset the universe. Then you would have the issue of Walter and Bell trying to turn themselves into gods (since without either Peter being alive, Walter probably wouldn't care about saving his humanity). There doesn't seem to be a simple solution to that problem...
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 11:20
|
|
|
muscles like this? posted:Yeah, there was a four or five year gap between last season and the characters getting ambered. That's the thing that's tripping people up. Because the last we saw of Bell he was being a dick and killing Olivia. So then having it jump ahead to a point where he's ambered with them to grab his hand just seems like we've missed something in the mix.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 11:28
|
|
|
Deakul posted:Yeah, Red Vines are terrible. So are twizzlers.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 13:19
|
|
|
The Red Vines I had tasted like dry wax. So gross. Twizzlers are awesome, shut your face.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 15:47
|
|
|
Olivia has been too much in the background so far. In the earlier seasons she was the lead, if anybody was. I was hoping she would confront Peter: "Remember that time that I had scary superpowers? And I killed people and almost destroyed the universe and Walter had to shoot me in the face? Let's talk this through." I'm enjoying the Peter stuff though. He's a loner again, just like when we first met him, and during his solo shapeshifter killing spree, and when he left Olivia to search for Etta. Peter and Olivia and Walter each get a bit dangerous when you take them away from the other two. And anyway, what's the betting at on parallel universes coming up? Walter, Astrid, Peter, and Bell were ambered in the old typewriter shop (right?), and Magic Screen is in the lab basement. Maybe that broken radio is even set to a B-universe station, WZFT. Who knows. (This is starting to feel like an adventure game, when you've collected a bunch of items and you're wondering what they're for.)
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 21:04
|
|
|
They did name-check the B-side when discussing where Walter's pocket universe came from, saying that he and Donald built it in a place where the two universes butt up against each other. That does seem like a likely set-up. Plus, the shipment from the future showed up in lighting very much like the lightning that was produced when Walternate turned on the machine. It would be interesting if Walter had to bridge the two universes again to get help and ended up loving both of them up again. Though I guess he would know how to make the machine again to fix it.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 21:10
|
|
|
Donald really needs revealing soon considering there are only 5/6 episodes left
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 21:31
|
|
|
greenchair posted:So are twizzlers. Your taste buds are broken.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2012 21:39
|
|
|
Ingram posted:Calling it now. Peter -> September. September -> Donald. (Somewhere around 2015, Walter helps September remove his neck-tech and he regrows his hair and regains his humanity.)
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2012 01:11
|
|
|
utonium posted:Then I'm calling this: I think it would be cooler if Donald turned out to be this fellow: http://fringepedia.net/wiki/Donald_Long Peter and Olivia killed him in the original timeline so he may have been brought back like David Robert Jones.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2012 02:22
|
|
|
September can't be Peter, because his whole appreciation of Peter is what inspired him to go back to the moment where Walternate would find a cure, loving up everything so far, I would think.
^burtle fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Nov 19, 2012 |
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2012 04:39
|
|
|
Was there a resolution to "Peter's debt" storyline that never really went anywhere?
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2012 05:02
|
|
|
Curtis of Nigeria posted:Was there a resolution to "Peter's debt" storyline that never really went anywhere? Walter took care of that. Debt is not a problem for someone who's done acid.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2012 05:25
|
|
|
^burtle posted:September can't be Peter, because his whole appreciation of Peter is what inspired him to go back to the moment where Walternate would find a cure, loving up everything so far, I would think. I don't think Peter is the first Observer/September. I just think his transformation into an Observer means that the success of Walter's plan will also mean the death/banishment of PeterObserver. Walter will once again be forced to decide between the safety of their universe and his love for Peter.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2012 08:15
|
|
|
September will be a descendant of Peter/Olivia. Plus, it seems his story ended tragically like all Peter/Olivia offspring. Although I think it would a tidier story if he turned out to be Astrid's descendant. Also, there hasn't been an explanation yet for all the Etta Resist posters, has there? It's odd that they suddenly appeared and no one has commented on them. The Observers would never allow them to remain but they are everywhere. I'm wondering if only the audience can see them. Edit: almost forgot what I came to post... The Science Channel is rerunning Fringe beginning Tuesday, Nov 21st (2 days from now). The pilot episode will come on at 8pm EST followed by episode 2. wormil fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Nov 19, 2012 |
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2012 08:36
|
|
|
wormil posted:Also, there hasn't been an explanation yet for all the Etta Resist posters, has there? It's odd that they suddenly appeared and no one has commented on them. The Observers would never allow them to remain but they are everywhere. I'm wondering if only the audience can see them. Eh, I think it's perfectly believable (at least by Fringe standards) that the resistance has a shitload of members in it that are capable of putting up a bunch of posters overnight. I mean, the entire world has been enslaved for 20 years, you figure there's a decent amount of people that are still pissed, even if they're not all actual resistance soldiers/saboteurs. As for why they're still up, I think they've shown that the Observers are basically robots. They can read minds but they still don't really understand human emotion. I can totally see them not understanding or simply not caring that the posters are supposed to be a form of propaganda against them. Then again as I wrote that I remembered that they have giant posters of themselves hanging all over the city so I guess they are familiar with at least the basic concept of propaganda. Yeah I'm going with the "They just don't think it's significant enough to give a drat" theory.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2012 12:15
|
|
|
We only ever seem to see the posters when Peter's around doing something crazy, I'm anticipating some kind of Doctor Who "Bad Wolf" time magic at the height of his powers, tying into what he said about making sure everyone knows how important she was. Anything much more mundane would really raise all these questions about how/why the resistance is hanging the things off skyscrapers and deep inside baldy territory. (Not that "TV show looking cool" would be a terrible answer or anything)
Tempo 119 fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Nov 19, 2012 |
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2012 17:06
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 2, 2024 18:29 |
|
|
It just hit me who the Observer that Peter steals the tech from in episode 5 looks like. A bald but just as pasty Conan O'Brien. I knew he had to be some kind of mutant or future human to be that pale white!
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2012 17:44
|
|