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krakagar posted:Also, it's not been confirmed that Caliborn is talking to Hussie. I know there's a good chance it is him but still. There's a lot in common with this mysterious narrator and Doc Scratch's dialogue, I'm wondering if there is some kind of link there. I assume Caliborn has some kind of contact with him at some point, seeing as he is responsible for ushering in Lord English's arrival. After all, we still don't know where Doc Scratch really came from. Why was he the way he was? Why was he the way Lord English chose to enter the Troll's universe? I wonder if perhaps Caliborn somehow harnessed Hussie's narrator powers or something and somehow gave those to Doc Scratch. Something like that might be how Doc Scratch was able to wrest control of the narrative away from Hussie.
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Eiba posted:After all, we still don't know where Doc Scratch really came from. Why was he the way he was? Why was he the way Lord English chose to enter the Troll's universe? Which is interesting, because Lil Cal freaks Caliborn right the gently caress out, if I recall. Or maybe that's just Dirk's iteration - the "dead" one.
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Eiba posted:I'm 100% sure this is Hussie we're dealing with, but the similarity to Doc Scratch is still intriguing. My new (insane) theory is that in-comic Hussie is the Cherubs' First Guardian.
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DontMockMySmock posted:My new (insane) theory is that in-comic Hussie is the Cherubs' First Guardian. Oh my god
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Doc Scratch was made by ectobiologically combining the First Guardian genetic code (written across four FLARP manuals), the paradox ghost imprint of Lil Cal, the paradox ghost imprint of a magic cue ball, and a "wild card" genetic code that was revealed to Gamzee in a timeline wherein he went prematurely crazy. We have been led to assume that Gamzee's code is what caused (an incarnation of?) Lord English to incubate inside of Doc Scratch's body, and I think this is a reasonable assumption; Gamzee's revelation was related to his religion, which is related to Lord English, and that's a far stronger connection he has to Andrew Hussie. Doc Scratch was omniscient, so it's natural that he'd have some awareness of the narration device, and perhaps even about the audience on our side of the fourth wall. He could plausibly use his various First Guardian powers to manipulate an arbitrary mechanism that transmits backwards along the narration channel. This could be seen as analogous to the time Sollux traced the source of Doc Scratch's messages via the Trollian network back to his typewriter. As for why Doc Scratch chose to enter universe A2 via Doc Scratch's innards, the program that triggered the metamorphosis of whatever organism his genes had been inserted into would only execute at the end of the universe, and as a First Guardian, Doc Scratch was the only organism guaranteed to still be around at the end of the universe. Nothing else created by ectobiology (the only way to turn a genetic code into an organism) was still in universe A2 when it ended; Doc Scratch was the only suitable host.
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A little belated but... Happy Thanksgiving! 
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DaveKap posted:A little belated but... I like that everyone else is doing their best to ignore her.
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Considering the purpose of Thanksgiving is to make your relatives as uncomfortable as possible so you can live in peace for another year... good job?
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DaveKap posted:A little belated but... RIP PYF thing to mock on the internet
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I know what you're feeling, grans. 
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I am thankful for bitchin' shades.
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That picture has to go up there with the "Let Me Tell You About Homestuck" picture, for real. It's a work of art.
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Seoinin posted:Actually we know that Scratch was the result of Snowman doing some Weird Time poo poo ectobiology with Vriska's cue ball and Lil Cal. I think Dave got Lil Caliborn, and Dirk got Lil Calliope.
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DaveKap posted:A little belated but...
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I'm still wondering if Dirk's Lil' Cal will ever come back and be relevant somehow. I mean, sure, it'd be a stretch since the other one already ate up a significant chunk of plot, and it'd be odd for lightning to strike twice, even if the second strike is much smaller in scope. Although speaking of things doomed to a watery grave, I'm still wondering if that's truly the last we'll see of Lil' Seb. I'd like to be optimistic, but robot bunnies already have a pretty poor track record of surviving Homestuck stories. We'll have to see if rap robots and shades-inhabiting AI's end up faring better. DaveKap posted:A little belated but... At the thanksgiving table, I would find cosplay-induced uncomfortable silence infinitely preferable to the uncomfortable conversations involving older relatives complaining about "black people taking over the country and destroying our values". No respect for Obana, let me tell you.
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So on a similar note, am I the only who feels like Homestuck fans are really kind of off in their own category when compared to a lot of the other nerd fandoms? I'm not sure if they're more self-aware or they just embrace the sheer absurdity of what they do or what, but whatever it is I really don't see it from most other fan communities. Maybe its a side-effect of having a fanbase made up entirely of internet people, it's honestly kind of interesting. You'd never see things like "Let Me Tell You About X" pictures coming from Trekkies or Naruto fans or whoever, for example. Luminous Obscurity fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Nov 23, 2012 |
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Luminous Obscurity posted:So on a similar note, am I the only who feels like Homestuck fans are really kind of off in their own category when compared to a lot of the other nerd fandoms? I'm not sure if they're more self-aware or they just embrace the sheer absurdity of what they do or what, but whatever it is I really don't see it from most other fan communities. Maybe its a side-effect of having a fanbase made up entirely of internet people, it's honestly kind of interesting. Having been involved in other large and crazy fandoms, I can safely say that no, it is not unique to Homestuck; it's just more readily apparent due to the large size of the fandom. Avatar (The Last Airbender) fandom was pretty insane too, and always struck me as having the most volatile shipping wars I'd ever seen. Bronies are also especially expansive and a little crazy in that Homestuck-esque kind of way. Maybe even moreso; MLP:FIM one of the very few fandoms I can think of that has/had its own dedicated conventions (yes, conventions, plural), and Homestuck ain't on that list.
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Luminous Obscurity posted:So on a similar note, am I the only who feels like Homestuck fans are really kind of off in their own category when compared to a lot of the other nerd fandoms? I'm not sure if they're more self-aware or they just embrace the sheer absurdity of what they do or what, but whatever it is I really don't see it from most other fan communities. Maybe its a side-effect of having a fanbase made up entirely of internet people, it's honestly kind of interesting. I think that, being entirely made up of Internet people, the discipline and punishment effect is probably stronger. Hence, all the self-deprecating macros on "let me tell you about homestuck" and that bucket-in-restaurant vid that was circulating. "Don't be like that, fellow fans", it says.
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Sadly, bronies are not nearly as self-aware as homestuck fans 
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Cat Mattress posted:I think that, being entirely made up of Internet people, the discipline and punishment effect is probably stronger. Hence, all the self-deprecating macros on "let me tell you about homestuck" and that bucket-in-restaurant vid that was circulating. "Don't be like that, fellow fans", it says. Y'know, I didn't really agree with this until I remembered a spree of tumblr posts by cosplay-fangirls a month or so basically saying "This is acceptable behaviour in cosplay [doing it at a convention, hanging out in cosplay, acting in character but not forcing other people into it] and this is not [being in a grocery store, the bucket thing, acting at people or roleplaying Cronus far too well], and you guys [terrible people awful cosplayers] are really ruining it for us [good people great cosplayers]! Please learn to behave."
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Tollymain posted:Sadly, bronies are not nearly as self-aware as homestuck fans Maybe not on the whole. But I'm glad I'm not as fervent as one acquaintance who posted a bitchton of "New Lunar Republic" statuses on Election Day. I mean, Christ, way too much there. He even messaged a bunch of folks asking for support for the cause. Ridiculously cringe-worthy.
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To derail you from talking about fandom instead of Homestuck, I just realized that the tower talks a bit like a fully prototyped sprite. Giving hints but not telling everything right away. How would a planet-prototyped kernelsprite look like anyway?
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Gabriel Pope posted:I'm probably reading too much into this, but some quick number crunching suggests that a basic ring of pure gold could plausibly be rolled into about a square yard of gold foil, or at least that's what their comparative weights suggest. My basic number crunching, using this calculator, suggests that you don't quite have enough gold to do that. I'm no expert on gold, but some quick googling seems to suggest that a pretty thin sheet of gold foil might be around 0.001 inches. Plug that and 36 by 36 inches into the calculator works out to 410 grams of gold, which is way more than a ring weighs. (Googling also suggests that it can be much thinner, but I wasn't able to get any numbers and reducing the square yard weight to the about 12 grams a pretty heavy ring weighs ends up being absurdly thin). On the other hand, rather than a square yard of gold, if you just try for a 36 inch by 1 inch sheet of gold (about what a yardstick would be), a 0.001 inch thick sheet works out to about 11 grams, which is pretty much the weight of a ring exactly. e: The gold sheet thing is coincidence, but there's a fair amount of proper evidence:  Start reading here, with the ring theory in mind. Also if you want to get into technicalities, John is still inside the yellow yard where Hussie's allowed to interfere when he receives the ring. TheDemon fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Nov 23, 2012 |
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War Requiem posted:To derail you from talking about fandom instead of Homestuck, I just realized that the tower talks a bit like a fully prototyped sprite. Giving hints but not telling everything right away. How would a planet-prototyped kernelsprite look like anyway? Potentially like the Skaia orb on a king's scepter?
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Midnight Raider posted:At the thanksgiving table, I would find cosplay-induced uncomfortable silence infinitely preferable to the uncomfortable conversations involving older relatives complaining about "black people taking over the country and destroying our values". I sometimes wonder if my grandparents are weird aberrations since every time I hear someone on SA talk about their grandparents it's always about how they are racist or right-wing nutjobs or something.
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TheDemon posted:Also if you want to get into technicalities, John is still inside the yellow yard where Hussie's allowed to interfere when he receives the ring. Oh my god, that's true. All this time I thought he was cheating with that. Goddammit, Hussie. He's still cheating with this current set of updates though 
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Bobulus posted:It seems possible that Hussie is retconning that. No, his promised one moment of interference was the nanosecond in which John and Jade were between Fourth Walls, temporarily co-existing with Hussie himself. The "yellow yard" described the distance they would travel, that's all.
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Oxxidation posted:No, his promised one moment of interference was the nanosecond in which John and Jade were between Fourth Walls, temporarily co-existing with Hussie himself. The "yellow yard" described the distance they would travel, that's all. But this one nanosecond lasts three years for John and Jade...
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Cat Mattress posted:But this one nanosecond lasts three years for John and Jade... That's correct. They are very small, and for them that yard spans 3 light-years.
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Three nanoseconds. Light goes one foot per nanosecond (in a vacuum), and the ship is traveling at the speed of light. edit: we need an emote that's a combo of  and  edit edit: code:DontMockMySmock fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Nov 23, 2012 |
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Update! Yea, that's pretty much the Huss on the other side.
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God drat Hussie, way to jab the penultimate villain of the story with a loving cattle-prod.
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And some of us were just noting that the colors were all dark. Hussie, you're starting to scare me. Also odds on Caliborn shooting Gamzee again?
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Color Printer posted:Also odds on Caliborn shooting Gamzee again? Why bet on something so obvious? Also I love how nerdy Hussie went with the hex code. No doubt someone in tumblrland already did...
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At this point I can't see Caliborn shooting Gamzeee again as ever being a thing that not happens. It's like punctuation.
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So I just had a huge rush of appreciation and/or enjoyment out of Caliborn being the main antagonist in Homestuck. For someone who grew up with video games and enjoys them (which is a LOT of people in their 20's or early 30's), but doesn't spend 100% of their time and effort on playing or mastering said games, who is the most aggravating person to interact with? That young, hyper-skilled but otherwise unintelligent or immature power gamer. The one who hacks, cheats or just plain spends WAY too much of their life on said game can still hack off people who are just trying to enjoy themselves or have some healthy competition. This kid will scream in the mic and be petulant and mock you the entire time he's reaming you, but you know that you could run circles around the person in loads of other things intellectually. That's Caliborn, and Hussie is like us: wishing he would become better or more mature, enjoying his(our) advanced intelligence/station in life in reflection to talking to Caliborn, making Caliborn's life as hard as possible and mocking him all the way. I hope this intermission keeps on just so I can read Hussie run circles around this kind of mindset.
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Gnome de plume posted:At this point I can't see Caliborn shooting Gamzeee again as ever being a thing that not happens. It's like punctuation. I dunno I think Caliborn might abstain just to avoid the elevator music
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