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Bovril Delight posted:Unless anything has changed, the Wagon isn't slated for US release. Why do we even ask anymore?  Throatwarbler posted:Mazda6 diesel rant "Mazda's article on their diesel stuff posted:With the world's lowest diesel-engine compression ratio, this clean, highly-efficient diesel engine will comply with strict exhaust gas regulations globally without the aid of expensive NOx (nitrous oxides) aftertreatment systems. Friar Zucchini fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Nov 29, 2012 |
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New KIA Sorento bowed in LA today, check out the headlights: Hmm, where have I seen these before?  They almost look copy-pasted from the facelift 9-3. There's no telling if KIA actually stole the styling, but then again, they are also responsible for this abomination 
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Friar Zucchini posted:I don't know if urea is related to nitrous oxides, or if they're the same thing, but Yeah, the big deal about Skyactiv-D is that it's supposed to be able to pass CARB standards without Urea.
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:Oh my. Oh my goodness. Could my next car be... a Buick?! I hope mine will be!
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:New KIA Sorento bowed in LA today, check out the headlights: Yes, that sure is a generic headlight. Seriously, Kia design as headed by Peter Schreyer is probably one of the best in the industry right now, and the design feature you're focusing on is stuck onto an SUV that looks nothing like a Saab in any way. Also, that headlight is a clear variant of the design on the Sorento that dates back to 2009 for their domestic market.  Which itself is based on the front-end shared by other Kias such as the Kia Forte, which entered production at nearly the same time as the facelifted Saab. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Nov 29, 2012 |
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I'm not about to start a war over a loving headlight, but coincidence or not, there's no denying that the resemblance is remarkable, from the cluster arrangement to the side reflector and the LED "eyebrow." Fancy headlights are the new black and it just seems derivative, regardless of where the inspiration came from.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:I'm not about to start a war over a loving headlight, but coincidence or not, there's no denying that the resemblance is remarkable, from the cluster arrangement to the side reflector and the LED "eyebrow." Fancy headlights are the new black and it just seems derivative, regardless of where the inspiration came from. No, you're wrong. The cluster arrangement is the same as in the Kia that came out at basically the same time and, indeed, is basically the same arrangement used in every other headlight that's laid out like that (which there's a huge number of). LED eyebrows are another really common feature that was around way before Saab put it on their car, and are found now in basically every other new car design. The side reflector design is 100% identical to basically every other side reflector ever. The headlight on the Saab isn't even 'fancy.' That's the whole thing with their design philosophy - they're conspicuously less stylized and more about simple, practical linear forms. Which means they're going to bear a lot of similarity to most other headlights since putting the projector elements/bulbs in a line that wraps around the corner is the most obvious way to design that part. Which is why the design basically looks the same as the one on the Civic or the Kia or the many other executions of that design.
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In other once-respected-nameplates-driven-into-the-ground-by-GM news, the new Impala pricing is out. http://www.edmunds.com/car-news/2014-chevrolet-impala-gets-price-hike.html Oh good, $28k for a 4,000lb full size sedan with a 180hp 4 cylinder engine/6 speed auto. I will definitely buy it over a Dodge Charger V6/8 speed for the same price.
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Throatwarbler posted:In other once-respected-nameplates-driven-into-the-ground-by-GM news, the new Impala pricing is out. Lol the V6 starts at $31k and the LTZ-trimmed V6 stickers at $37k. I mean, I know you'd never actually pay that much in real life, but that's kind of ridiculous. The LTZ is enough for a Hyundai Genesis, a V8 Charger, and within spitting distance of a Taurus SHO. Hell, just the base V6 is like $500 off from a V8 Charger. Dunno, the old Impala was competent. Not like a desirable car or anything, and terribly out of date by the end, but it was a solid rental car. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Nov 29, 2012 |
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About the same as an SE Taurus, but with the Taurus you get either a ~290hp V6 or 240hp/270lb-ft ecoboost 4 cylinder.
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Throatwarbler posted:In other once-respected-nameplates-driven-into-the-ground-by-GM news, the new Impala pricing is out. I don't know the I4s in just about every other vehicle that size are fairly competent, and return good fuel economy. Could it be a way to juice their CAFE numbers with the SS in the pipeline?
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BabyMauler posted:I don't know the I4s in just about every other vehicle that size are fairly competent, and return good fuel economy. Could it be a way to juice their CAFE numbers with the SS in the pipeline? Which other vehicle in that size class has an I4?
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Throatwarbler posted:In other once-respected-nameplates-driven-into-the-ground-by-GM news, the new Impala pricing is out. You act like it has been more than 10 years since the impala had a180hp v6 Powershift fucked around with this message at 13:04 on Nov 29, 2012 |
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MrChips posted:I drove a basically brand new '11 Mazda3 2.0 for a month last year while my BMW was in the body shop. I was shocked at how bad the fuel economy was - I got something just short of 10L/100 km in it (which is about 24 mpg) in mostly highway driving. The Miata's pretty bad too. I mean it's not too terrible when you think of it as a  sportscar but really for a very light car with little power it's not very good at all.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Which other vehicle in that size class has an I4? I guess it's a replacement for the LaCrosse you use to be able to get with just the 2.4l and that took 9 seconds to get to 60. Price is about the same too. They've upped the price on the LaCrosse and bundled the I4 with the mild hybrid system now.
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Powershift posted:You act like it has been more than 10 years since the impala had a180hp v6 The W-body did end on a high note since they made the 3.6l LFX the standard engine for the last 2 years. I mildly want one so I can slap an Enterprise sticker on the back and go torque steering all over the road with 2 friends on the bench seat up front and 4 more in the trunk.
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Throatwarbler posted:I guess it's a replacement for the LaCrosse you use to be able to get with just the 2.4l and that took 9 seconds to get to 60. Price is about the same too. They've upped the price on the LaCrosse and bundled the I4 with the mild hybrid system now. I'm just thinking: Charger - no 300 - no Taurus - yes, but ecoboost Avalon - no Azera - no Maxima - no So I'm wondering what mythical four cylinder largeish car this is competing with in Baby Mauler's mind.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I'm just thinking:
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Cream_Filling posted:Dunno, the old Impala was competent. Not like a desirable car or anything, and terribly out of date by the end, but it was a solid rental car. Not exactly high praise. This is what happened with the Malibu too, Chevy released an "okay-to-decent" car in a segment that's increasingly competitive. Reminds me a lot of Schumacher getting back into F1 recently and being blown away. The old champ isn't getting worse but everyone else is getting way better, way faster.
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grover posted:All of them, in about 4 or 5 years time, when every new car will be powered by a small-displacement turbocharged engine to meet CAFE requirements. Yeah that's what I figured. It's not like the current Impala is sought after by car enthusiasts who even know how many cylinders their engine has. The new one looks like a nicer interior, and will probably have a lot of gadgets people like, so as long as the fuel economy numbers are favorable it probably won't do too poorly. My concern would be aren't they sort of pricing themselves out of rental car fleets? I guess that's the way of new model bloat. The Malibu will just be the new Impala.
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bidikyoopi posted:Not exactly high praise. This is what happened with the Malibu too, Chevy released an "okay-to-decent" car in a segment that's increasingly competitive. Reminds me a lot of Schumacher getting back into F1 recently and being blown away. The old champ isn't getting worse but everyone else is getting way better, way faster. I'd say it's the old Taurus effect. Put out a reasonably competitive product, then let it languish for 6-7 years with only intermittent, minor upgrades instead of committing to an aggressive update cycle like all of your competitors. In part, of course, this is because of the financial and management turmoil at the time, especially since the Impala was racking up fleet sales regardless of competitiveness and didn't have a whole lot of direct competition in its size/price bracket, but what happened to the Malibu is much less forgivable. And now, the car has gotten less competitive in every meaningful way - interior quality, powertrains, size/dimensions/packaging - even ignoring the utterly incompetent staggered launch. And compare this to still strong showings from Toyota and Honda plus the arguably segment-leading Fusion from Ford and a very strong contender from VW.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:So I'm wondering what mythical four cylinder largish car this is competing with in Baby Mauler's mind. I'm thinking weight mostly. Of all the "Small SUVs" out there Equinox, Terrain, new Rav4, new Pathfinder, CRV, and others I cant remember. They all have an I4 as the base or only engine. Not the best argument, but mostly large vehicles with I4s are going to be the new normal.
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It still blows my mind that a turbo I4 these days can hit 250hp with no problem, when an NA V8 from less than 10 years ago in a Mustang made about the same amount of power.
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mattmofob posted:The Fiat 500L is made in Serbia At Zastava Automobili.  
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mobby_6kl posted:The Miata's pretty bad too. I mean it's not too terrible when you think of it as a Prior to Skyactiv, Mazda was simply down on fuel mileage compared to any comparable make/model. They seem to want to tune every car like it's a rotary - rich as hell. The Midniter posted:It still blows my mind that a turbo I4 these days can hit 250hp with no problem, when an NA V8 from less than 10 years ago in a Mustang made about the same amount of power. More importantly, 250-260hp turbo fours are the realm of common commuter cars now. Even five or six years ago, you only saw that kind of power from a four cylinder in a niche-market hot hatch; now you're seeing them replace six cylinder engines in all kinds of mass-market cars. Of course, the V8 comparison is slightly unfair; a naturally aspirated mod motor has pretty much always been a bad joke. Even when it came out in 1996, it had less power than the outgoing 302, and that was at a time when everyone else was starting to ratchet power levels up consistently instead of declining or holding steady like in the malaise era.
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The Midniter posted:It still blows my mind that a turbo I4 these days can hit 250hp with no problem, when an NA V8 from less than 10 years ago in a Mustang made about the same amount of power. I'll be impressed when they make the power an LS1 did in 1997. 
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The Midniter posted:It still blows my mind that a turbo I4 these days can hit 250hp with no problem, when an NA V8 from less than 10 years ago in a Mustang made about the same amount of power. Ten years ago I was driving around in my fathers Nissan 200SX which was a 2l turbo with 250hp. It wasn't even a new engine at the time, the SR20DET had been around for another ten or so years before that. They have become a lot more common in the mean time though, especially outside of Japan.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I'm just thinking: As was mentioned there are CUV/SUV's like the Kia Sorento that are offered with a 191hp 2.4L I4 and are around 4,000lbs.
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kill me now posted:As was mentioned there are CUV/SUV's like the Kia Sorento that are offered with a 191hp 2.4L I4 and are around 4,000lbs. Yeah but, to return to the point a bit, a 4-cylinder Sorento MSRPs for $23k instead of $28k. Way more reasonable. For the price of that Impala, you could get an Ecoboost I4 Taurus that has a ton more power and likely similar gas mileage.
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Ehh, they can MSRP the Impala whatever they want, doesn't stop the fact there will be thousands sitting on the hood when the sell.
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skipdogg posted:Ehh, they can MSRP the Impala whatever they want, doesn't stop the fact there will be thousands sitting on the hood when the sell. True. Also, do a lot of government/corporate auto fleet buyers have "minimum $x off of MSRP" requirements like they do for other types of equipment purchases?
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The Midniter posted:It still blows my mind that a turbo I4 these days can hit 250hp with no problem, when an NA V8 from less than 10 years ago in a Mustang made about the same amount of power. With CAFE standards in place and a goal of 54 MPG by 2025, it's like automakers are suddenly realizing "Hey, if we take these turbo things, strap them to a 4 cylinder, and add a few features (like VVT & cylinder deactivation), we can reach these goals. Oh, the horsepower is going up as a side-effect? Cool... Another marketing point." Devyl fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Nov 30, 2012 |
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It's more direct injection and other advanced materials and poo poo allowing Ford to use much higher compression ratios than you'd normally see in a turbocharged engine.
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grover posted:All of them, in about 4 or 5 years time, when every new car will be powered by a small-displacement turbocharged engine to meet CAFE requirements. Yes, unlike the NA 2.5 in the Impala.
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rscott posted:It's more direct injection and other advanced materials and poo poo allowing Ford to use much higher compression ratios than you'd normally see in a turbocharged engine. Advanced materials like cast iron blocks for the 3cyl ecoboost 
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Laserface posted:Advanced materials like cast iron blocks for the 3cyl ecoboost I heard an interview with Ford engineers and they said the iron block was done on purpose in order to make the engine smaller, and going to Al would not have saved any weight. They also went to a conventional timing belt instead of a chain in order to reduce drivetrain friction.
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I love how half the marketing blurb for the 3cyl is "lighter, less components, less material", but it's a £1k extra option.
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Throatwarbler posted:I heard an interview with Ford engineers and they said the iron block was done on purpose in order to make the engine smaller, and going to Al would not have saved any weight. They also went to a conventional timing belt instead of a chain in order to reduce drivetrain friction. Eh, most of the magic these days is found in the head anyways.
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