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ThermoPhysical
Dec 26, 2007



mesc posted:

Cool story from your buddy but they have the 32gb on the website right now.

That's because it's a web-only item. The 16GB started out as a web-only item as well before it became an in-store item.

They won't be making it an in-store item and, once it sells out online, they most likely won't restock it.

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bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


4.2.1 doesn't seem to have had any effect on random reboots or horrible battery drain.

sourdough
Apr 30, 2012

bull3964 posted:

4.2.1 doesn't seem to have had any effect on random reboots or horrible battery drain.

Have you factory reset either before or after updating to 4.2.1?

Maker Of Shoes
Sep 4, 2006

AWWWW YISSSSSSSSSS
DIS IS MAH JAM!!!!!!
I haven't had any reboots on 4.2.1. Battery drain is still bad but those are mostly from Now and G+, same on my phone.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


RVProfootballer posted:

Have you factory reset either before or after updating to 4.2.1?

No.

If I end up having to do a factory reset, I'm just going to roll back to 4.1.2 in the process. There's nothing in 4.2.x so far that I want to use anyways.

sourdough
Apr 30, 2012

bull3964 posted:

No.

If I end up having to do a factory reset, I'm just going to roll back to 4.1.2 in the process. There's nothing in 4.2.x so far that I want to use anyways.

Just wondering, as I haven't noticed any random shutdowns or horrible battery drain in either the 4.2 or 4.2.1 OTAs, so I suspect 4.2.x isn't super buggy so much as some people had the upgrade go wonky.

Zarkov Cortez
Aug 18, 2007

Alas, our kitten class attack ships were no match for their mighty chairs
I fixed the problems I was having with my N7 by removing paperland :shrug:

ThermoPhysical
Dec 26, 2007



http://shop.asus.co.jp/sp/item/%E2%...83%A7%E3%83%B3/

http://shop.asus.co.jp/sp/list/%E3%82%A2%E3%82%AF%E3%82%BB%E3%82%B5%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E4%BB%96/

The Nexus 7 should be receiving a dock from ASUS in early December 2012.

SlayVus
Jul 10, 2009
Grimey Drawer
What exactly is the point of having a screen resolution higher than 1280x800 if all the apps and even the OS isn't going to do anything with it? For example, my ASUS TF700 is 1920x1200, but won't display web pages like it's 1920x1200. I know this because my main desktop is 1920x1080 and web pages on my desktop look nothing like how it is on my tablet. It still acts like it's 1280x800. I also know that 1920x1200 is extremely tiny on the 10" screen as I've used iDisplay to use my tablet as a secondary monitor and used it for my Mumble window and letters were smaller than 1/4".

But why is there no middle ground?

butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

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SlayVus posted:

What exactly is the point of having a screen resolution higher than 1280x800 if all the apps and even the OS isn't going to do anything with it? For example, my ASUS TF700 is 1920x1200, but won't display web pages like it's 1920x1200. I know this because my main desktop is 1920x1080 and web pages on my desktop look nothing like how it is on my tablet. It still acts like it's 1280x800. I also know that 1920x1200 is extremely tiny on the 10" screen as I've used iDisplay to use my tablet as a secondary monitor and used it for my Mumble window and letters were smaller than 1/4".

But why is there no middle ground?
Pixel Ratios!

Syrinxx
Mar 28, 2002

Death is whimsical today

SlayVus posted:

What exactly is the point of having a screen resolution higher than 1280x800 if all the apps and even the OS isn't going to do anything with it?
Porn and comics

Which is actually the answer to quite a few tablet questions

geetee
Feb 2, 2004

>;[
How does anyone play games like gta3 on a tablet? The onscreen controls are impossible to manage if you need any degree of fine control.

Ariza
Feb 8, 2006

geetee posted:

How does anyone play games like gta3 on a tablet? The onscreen controls are impossible to manage if you need any degree of fine control.

Maybe it's because Im too old, but anything requiring any amount of fine control is impossible for me on a touch screen. I stick to puzzle games and anything turn based. I just got an n7, but all those fancy games are impossible.

Maker Of Shoes
Sep 4, 2006

AWWWW YISSSSSSSSSS
DIS IS MAH JAM!!!!!!

Ariza posted:

Maybe it's because Im too old, but anything requiring any amount of fine control is impossible for me on a touch screen. I stick to puzzle games and anything turn based. I just got an n7, but all those fancy games are impossible.

Me too. Yet another reason that Dungeon Raid owns owns owns.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

geetee posted:

How does anyone play games like gta3 on a tablet?

With a USB or Bluetooth controller.

Tunga
May 7, 2004

Grimey Drawer

Ariza posted:

Maybe it's because Im too old, but anything requiring any amount of fine control is impossible for me on a touch screen. I stick to puzzle games and anything turn based. I just got an n7, but all those fancy games are impossible.
Yeah this. I tried Pocket RPG earlier and the game seems pretty fun but the controls are infuriating.

GonadTheBallbarian
Jul 23, 2007


geetee posted:

How does anyone play games like gta3 on a tablet? The onscreen controls are impossible to manage if you need any degree of fine control.

I use a PS3 controller and a rooted tablet, but I usually stick to NES/SNES/genesis games.

seravid
Apr 21, 2010

Let me tell you of the world I used to know
Speaking of SNES, should I pick the most popular emulator on the play store? Are they all alike?

GonadTheBallbarian
Jul 23, 2007


seravid posted:

Speaking of SNES, should I pick the most popular emulator on the play store? Are they all alike?

It's up to you, really; the free GNES etc. seem to work fine. You can also grab the APKs of older emulators that work on shadier sites too, if that's your thing.

Geektox
Aug 1, 2012

Good people don't rip other people's arms off.

seravid posted:

Speaking of SNES, should I pick the most popular emulator on the play store? Are they all alike?

The best one (imo) isn't even on the Play Store. SNES9X EX is an Android build of SNES 9X by Robert Broglia. His emulators are generally really good.

geetee
Feb 2, 2004

>;[

Install Gentoo posted:

With a USB or Bluetooth controller.

I would just play on a console or PC if I'm using external controllers.

Ariza
Feb 8, 2006

geetee posted:

I would just play on a console or PC if I'm using external controllers.

That's my thought, too. I really only use it when I'm lounging or traveling and that seems like such a hassle. I know there has to be a market for it if they keep making such good looking games. I never really liked the Wii controls either though, despite owning one for a few years. So I may not be a normal person in that regard. It's definitely very impressive what they're able to pull off on such a tiny machine that fits in my coat pocket.

Must Love Dogs
May 6, 2005

and the sky is filled with light can you see it?

Anyone have any experience with the Padfone 2? A friend of mine wants one and asked my opinion on it. The couple of reviews I saw of it were relatively positive, but I was wondering if anyone had gotten their hands around it for a bit and what their impressions were of it.

Mnemosyne
Jun 11, 2002

There's no safe way to put a cat in a paper bag!!
I've heard anecdotally that if you buy your n7 from anywhere other than the Play store, you could run into Customer Service giving you the run-around if you have a problem with it. Is this true, or is it ok to pick it up from a local store (Microcenter in my case)? I'd like to save myself the shipping cost, but not if it's going to cause problems with warranty stuff.

Evil Robot
May 20, 2001
Universally hated.
Grimey Drawer

Mnemosyne posted:

I've heard anecdotally that if you buy your n7 from anywhere other than the Play store, you could run into Customer Service giving you the run-around if you have a problem with it. Is this true, or is it ok to pick it up from a local store (Microcenter in my case)? I'd like to save myself the shipping cost, but not if it's going to cause problems with warranty stuff.

You don't get support from the Play Store if you don't buy it from the Play Store. You get it from the store you bought it from / ASUS.

SlayVus
Jul 10, 2009
Grimey Drawer
Small, but major note about N10 battery usage.

With the screen at approx 75% brightness and streaming Netflix on 70-80kb/s celluar connection, the tablet can not be charged. It will literally trickle drain the battery. After three hours of charging while doing this it went from 15% to 8%. The battery settings page show the screen as 67% of the tablets usage.

Where as with 1:30 usage of the same thing on my tf700, wifi was 65% and screen was 20%.

butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

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SlayVus posted:

Small, but major note about N10 battery usage.

With the screen at approx 75% brightness and streaming Netflix on 70-80kb/s celluar connection, the tablet can not be charged. It will literally trickle drain the battery. After three hours of charging while doing this it went from 15% to 8%. The battery settings page show the screen as 67% of the tablets usage.

Where as with 1:30 usage of the same thing on my tf700, wifi was 65% and screen was 20%.
Doesn't the Transformer series use a proprietary charger? The Nexus 10 has pogo pins so if they ever come out with something that uses them it can probably charge at a decent rate instead of 10 watts or whatever it can get over micro USB.

The battery usage on your Infinity doesn't sound right. There's no way that WiFi would be using 3x as much power as a 10" screen.

Decius
Oct 14, 2005

Ramrod XTreme

SlayVus posted:

Small, but major note about N10 battery usage.

With the screen at approx 75% brightness and streaming Netflix on 70-80kb/s celluar connection, the tablet can not be charged. It will literally trickle drain the battery. After three hours of charging while doing this it went from 15% to 8%. The battery settings page show the screen as 67% of the tablets usage.

Where as with 1:30 usage of the same thing on my tf700, wifi was 65% and screen was 20%.

Say what you will about Apple's propitiatory Lightning connector and the ridiculous price for it, as connector itself it is really good - a lot less prone to breaking compared to Micro-USB, you don't have to make sure about what is up and down on the connector and the device and best of all: the 12 Watt charger pumps 2.4 Ampere into the device while charging instead of the 1.5-1.8 Ampere of Micro-USB. I don't understand why they don't put USB 3.0 connectors onto tablets - USB 3.0 is specified up to 5 Ampere, which would help a lot with charging big-battery devices.

revolther
May 27, 2008

SlayVus posted:

Small, but major note about N10 battery usage.

With the screen at approx 75% brightness and streaming Netflix on 70-80kb/s celluar connection, the tablet can not be charged. It will literally trickle drain the battery. After three hours of charging while doing this it went from 15% to 8%. The battery settings page show the screen as 67% of the tablets usage.

Where as with 1:30 usage of the same thing on my tf700, wifi was 65% and screen was 20%.
Anything over 10% screen brightness will brutalize your battery with Android. You were using the same tethered phone hotspot both times? It's pretty hard to do a 1:1 comparison of the devices.

If one was cell-signal and the other was Wifi, I'd say that your TF700 was grabbing higher quality content than 70-80kbs(more likely MB/s) cellular stream when on wifi, and possibly was affected by those ASUS configurations like "powersave" which will reduce screen consumption. Could be the TF700's SuperIPS display, or it's lower resolution, or it's half the amount of ram being used, all those things change the rate at which battery is drained.

It could be some variable like upscaling for the Netflix streaming codec being more natively supported by the Tegra 3 CPU/GPU, hell it's been out a lot longer and exclusively in higher profile devices, and the 3rd iteration of a chipset, so it's probably that much more optimized for by Netflix developers.

There's a lot of uncontrolled variables, and some of battery settings page percentages can be misleading. Kinda hard to draw any conclusions.

SlayVus
Jul 10, 2009
Grimey Drawer

revolther posted:

If one was cell-signal and the other was Wifi, Asus configurations like "powersave"

Was using wifi tethering on my 3G Droid X both times. I'm also up in the mountains with one bar of cell service. Powersaver mode activates at 15% battery on the TF700, I actually have it disabled.

SlayVus fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Dec 3, 2012

Mighty Horse
Jul 24, 2007

Speed, Class, Bankruptcy.

Decius posted:

Say what you will about Apple's propitiatory Lightning connector and the ridiculous price for it, as connector itself it is really good - a lot less prone to breaking compared to Micro-USB, you don't have to make sure about what is up and down on the connector and the device and best of all: the 12 Watt charger pumps 2.4 Ampere into the device while charging instead of the 1.5-1.8 Ampere of Micro-USB. I don't understand why they don't put USB 3.0 connectors onto tablets - USB 3.0 is specified up to 5 Ampere, which would help a lot with charging big-battery devices.

There is 2 Amp micro USB out there...the Xyboard uses it.

Maker Of Shoes
Sep 4, 2006

AWWWW YISSSSSSSSSS
DIS IS MAH JAM!!!!!!

Mighty Horse posted:

There is 2 Amp micro USB out there...the Xyboard uses it.

Same with the OE N7 charger.

Tunga
May 7, 2004

Grimey Drawer
Why does a device which cannot use a cell signal for anything other than data still maintain that signal when on Wi-Fi and as a result loses battery about five times faster than the same exact same device without the cell radio?

This is a 32GB N7 3G. I have to leave it in Aeroplane Mode otherwise it just sits there dying. It lasts about 24 hours, compared to ~5 days for my 16GB. It's no hassle really but it's pretty dumb. It's not like the thing can even send text messages!

butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

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Another accessory that will never materialize.

IuniusBrutus
Jul 24, 2010

Just got (my steam copy of) xcom running in dosbox on my Nexus 7. Never using my ipad again.

Evil Robot
May 20, 2001
Universally hated.
Grimey Drawer

IuniusBrutus posted:

Just got (my steam copy of) xcom running in dosbox on my Nexus 7. Never using my ipad again.

I don't even....

Screenshot?

Maker Of Shoes
Sep 4, 2006

AWWWW YISSSSSSSSSS
DIS IS MAH JAM!!!!!!

Tunga posted:

Why does a device which cannot use a cell signal for anything other than data still maintain that signal when on Wi-Fi and as a result loses battery about five times faster than the same exact same device without the cell radio?

This is a 32GB N7 3G. I have to leave it in Aeroplane Mode otherwise it just sits there dying. It lasts about 24 hours, compared to ~5 days for my 16GB. It's no hassle really but it's pretty dumb. It's not like the thing can even send text messages!

While not very elegant you can just put a 1x1 data toggle widget on your desktop.

Tunga
May 7, 2004

Grimey Drawer

Maker Of Shoes posted:

While not very elegant you can just put a 1x1 data toggle widget on your desktop.
It rarely leaves my house so I can just leave it in Aeroplane and toggle that in the settings when I occasionally need it. It just seems like completely ridiculous design. What is it even doing to use that battery? Consider than it gets less screen-off time than my GNex.

IuniusBrutus
Jul 24, 2010

Evil Robot posted:

I don't even....

Screenshot?

The original, not the remake. :)


edit: If I can just find a way to get CivII running, I will be all set.

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Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Tunga posted:

What is it even doing to use that battery?

Attempting to stay connected to the cellular network while having very poor signal in all likelihood.

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