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Two Finger posted:Just for posterity, do you have a link to where that text came from? http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/elect96/bd0719b.htm
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I dunno if this has been posted, but this article popped up on my facebook with the added text "So...why are we not hearing about this?" This reporting pretty much embodies my personal definition of right wing media. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/12/02/Iraqi-Refugee-Bombs-AZ-Social-Security-Office-MSM-Remains-Silent Headline: IRAQI REFUGEE BOMBS AZ SOCIAL SECURITY OFFICE, MSM REMAINS SILENT quote:On Friday morning, an Iraqi refugee used an improvised explosive device (IED) to bomb a Social Security office in Casa Grande AZ -- the mainstream media remains silent. I laughed after I read all 7 sentences of this amazing story; "Breaking News: MSM media blackout. CNN and Reuters issue misleading report--continually refer to a male of Iraqi heritage as 'a man.'" The damage from the horrific bomb (IED) (Iraqi Death Machine) that needs to be under 24/7 media coverage for the sake of our national security? A small fire was almost immediately put out and a metal door frame was blackened from the smoke.
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colonelslime posted:Somebody has to do a study on the income political figures can expect to make now that they can seamlessly transition from primary or election loser to pundit. You have to figure it acts as a perverse incentive, effectively turning running in an election into a marketing strategy for later. It's not only that. Being an ex-Congressman is probably the best career move anyone can make. 2 years and out. You get to say whatever you want (which you can't do when you're a representative) and you have lobbying firms tripping over themselves to offer you cushy high paying jobs. I think you might even get a pension too.
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FAN OF NICKELBACK posted:The damage from the horrific bomb (IED) (Iraqi Death Machine) that needs to be under 24/7 media coverage for the sake of our national security? A small fire was almost immediately put out and a metal door frame was blackened from the smoke. Well by now you should be aware that they have a massive problem with anything being black.
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Tonight is band practice. That means a late-night drive home, during which time my local NPR station will be playing classical music. Not that I'm not a fan, but I usually switch to the local right wing station. At that hour, Mark Levin is on. The guy is a frothing psychotic. Nothing I've ever heard him say remotely resembles the truth (except maybe for his product spots). John Boehner isn't conservative enough for him. Neither is Eric Cantor. This guy is the embodiment of the Tea Party. Michelle Bachmann is his hero, and like her, the things he says are utterly devoid of reason. I've never heard so many unsupported assertions, half-truths, and straight up lies in such a short stretch of time before. The guy is in a league by himself. Add in the random yelling and occasional screaming at guests, and all I hear is a cartoon character on the other end. He's got to be a massive troll. The only other option is that the guy is quite literally insane. Walter fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Dec 4, 2012 |
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Dec 4, 2012 12:52
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So it turns out that Roger Ailes wasn't satisfied with making Fox News the propaganda wing of the Republican party, he took an active hand in trying to find its' presidential candidate for the 2012 elections.quote:Fox News chief Roger Ailes tried to get David Petraeus to run for president against President Obama in 2012, the Washington Post's Bob Woodward reported on Monday night.
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Dec 4, 2012 15:07
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Sydney Bottocks posted:So it turns out that Roger Ailes wasn't satisfied with making Fox News the propaganda wing of the Republican party, he took an active hand in trying to find its' presidential candidate for the 2012 elections.
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Dec 4, 2012 15:49
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Sydney Bottocks posted:So it turns out that Roger Ailes wasn't satisfied with making Fox News the propaganda wing of the Republican party, he took an active hand in trying to find its' presidential candidate for the 2012 elections. I can't imagine what would have happened had Petraeus run and then the scandal broke. FOX would have blamed Obama somehow.
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Dec 4, 2012 16:04
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I guess we just discovered why Eric Cantor hushed about the whole Petraus infidelity thing despite being one of those clued in early. Sinking the career of Murdoch's prize electoral horse would pretty much ensure he'd never be able to find any gainful employment outside North Korea.
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Dec 4, 2012 16:06
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Sydney Bottocks posted:So it turns out that Roger Ailes wasn't satisfied with making Fox News the propaganda wing of the Republican party, he took an active hand in trying to find its' presidential candidate for the 2012 elections. I've said this before and I'll repeat it again. Fox News is no longer the media arm of the GOP. The GOP is the political arm of the conservative entertainment complex.
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Dec 4, 2012 16:16
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The Entire Universe posted:It's also, I think, a big driver of how crazy the party doctrine is becoming. Get tossed out on your rear end by a public that thinks you're loving nuts for thinking women deserve to be raped and forced to bear the resultant baby should they stray from the kitchen? That's okay, come take a job driving party discourse in our media empire, you'll have a loyal audience and we'll pay you well! How can the crazy nutso base have enough money and assets to support these guys though?  Unless it's more rich corporate backing that's driving all of it, but drat, you'd think they'd want a better return than driving off 7/8ths of the possible electorate demographics.
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Dec 4, 2012 16:21
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Myrdhale posted:How can the crazy nutso base have enough money and assets to support these guys though? You don't know how book releases work do you? Here's how the game works. You say something crazy and flame out spectacularly. Then you form a PAC, non profit, whatever, or just get one to back you and raise up a loving ton of money from a few rich crack pots and your legions of crazy fans, go on TV a few times and say more crazy rear end poo poo. Then when peak wingnut hits, you release a book. It doesn't matter how bad this book is, hell the pages could be blank. What you do is you take all the money from your PAC and buy up all the copies of your book and then give them out to your supporters at rallies. Bingo pay dirt. And since you bought a couple hundred thousand copies of your own book with not your money your book is a best seller, so more idiots buy it and you get even more of a cut of the money.
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I'm most impressed by the entire conservative academic complex. Take for example, the CEO of Americans United for Life Charmaine Yoest: "Previously, Dr. Yoest served as the Project Director of the Family, Gender and Tenure Project at the University of Virginia, a nationwide study funded by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation. She was also a recipient of Mellon, Olin, Bradley, and Kohler Fellowships. She also served as a Vice President at the Family Research Council, one of the largest pro-family public policy organizations in the country." I bolded all the institutions and grants she's won from blatantly right wing foundations and think tanks. For most legitimate scientists (social or otherwise) NIH/NSF, Russell Sage, and other groups exist to fund genuinely interesting research conducted at a high level. It's amazing that an entire astroturf ecosystem has been built around an overt right wing bias in conducting social research. These people literally pay to listen to a different reality. Fun story: She was in Missouri to attend a hearing on behalf of a bill banning sex selective abortion, and gave a nice testimony of how those wily Asian immigrants need a law to stop them from doing this. During the questioning part a democrat asked her if she was a medical doctor (since she bills herself as Dr. Yoest), and then asked her what her PhD was in (political science), and then asked no further questions.
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Dec 4, 2012 16:46
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Mitchicon posted:I can't imagine what would have happened had Petraeus run and then the scandal broke. FOX would have blamed Obama somehow. I'm sure the affair was part of the reason that he didn't run. There's no way that the affair wouldn't come out during a presidential race.
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Dec 4, 2012 16:51
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Peven Stan posted:
Is the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation a right wing foundation? I always thought of it as fairly unbiased, though my exposure is mostly through seeing them mentioned at the beginning of NOVA episodes. Do you have links to anything about them being right wing? I'm curious to read them.
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Dec 4, 2012 18:15
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Sydney Bottocks posted:So it turns out that Roger Ailes wasn't satisfied with making Fox News the propaganda wing of the Republican party, he took an active hand in trying to find its' presidential candidate for the 2012 elections. Roger Ailes has been trying to play kingmaker for the last thirty years. This hasn't exactly been a hidden fact.
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I think Petraeus could still come back, if only to make a fool out of himself. It's hard to overestimate the narcotic effect of sycophancy, and Petraeus will surely have his supporters. "He did what any red-blooded American would do, demostrating his potency, athleticism unsated by his frumpy wife, pushing himself to the limit until he fainted in a Senate hearing," etc. He'd never make it but there might be enough GOP supportive insiders to intoxicate him with visions of power. The 2016 field really doesn't look all that great to be honest.
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Dec 4, 2012 19:22
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Slow Graffiti posted:Is the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation a right wing foundation? I always thought of it as fairly unbiased, though my exposure is mostly through seeing them mentioned at the beginning of NOVA episodes. They buy legitimacy with poo poo like sponsoring PBS shows. If you don't know already, Alfred P. Sloan was the former chairman of GM in the 30s and an old school business conservative. The foundation's goal was to "devote its resources almost exclusively to education in economics and business. Grants were made to develop materials to improve high school and college economics teaching; for preparation of and wide distribution of inexpensive pamphlets on the pressing economic and social issues of the day; for weekly radio airing of roundtable discussions on current topics in economics and related subjects; and for establishing a Tax Institute at the Wharton School to interpret new taxes and new trends in public finance for the average citizen." They also sponsor a climate change denialist professor of meteorology at MIT. The interesting thing about them is that they're not as loud or boorish as the rest of the right wing academic complex, so people automatically equate them with mainstream and nonpartisan legitimacy.
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Peven Stan posted:They buy legitimacy with poo poo like sponsoring PBS shows. If you don't know already, Alfred P. Sloan was the former chairman of GM in the 30s and an old school business conservative. I definitely know who Sloan is, and recall studying him when I got my economics degree. What is the name of the scientist at MIT? I've been checking various sources on their current funding recipients (including NOVA and their support of research into marine life and dark energy/matter, and their large donation to support Wikimedia) and I can't find much evidence that they are a right-wing organization. http://www.sloan.org/about-the-foundation/ Slow Graffiti fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Dec 4, 2012 |
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Dec 4, 2012 20:02
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S.E. Cupp dictates what is and is not a disservice to a victim of domestic violence. Also, why don't liberals think of the hurt feewings of all the poor gun owners out there who are the real victims. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/s-e-cupp-battles-steve-kornacki-over-bob-costas-shameful-pitch-for-gun-control-during-nfl-game/
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Dec 4, 2012 20:37
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http://minx.cc/?post=335422 Week three and they still don't understand that Democracy often means "people we don't like might get elected". So much for freedom. Breitbart.com threw a hissy over air wave regulation. Down to "nobody owns air waves or even light and if someone figures out a way to take it and sell it then DAT'S THE FREE MARKHET" gently caress those people like that. Think everyone who isn't out to nickle and dime their neighbor is a rube.
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When faced with the seemingly rhetorical question, "Why can't we have nice things?" the only sane and responsible answer can be "You." It's pathetic that the conservative leaning media and pundits resort to childish whining when the idea of progress, no matter how small, is in the public discourse.
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Dec 4, 2012 21:21
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Sydney Bottocks posted:So it turns out that Roger Ailes wasn't satisfied with making Fox News the propaganda wing of the Republican party, he took an active hand in trying to find its' presidential candidate for the 2012 elections. I agree with the other comments above but the role that FOX is playing in the U.S. political system is pretty drat disturbing. Look at the field in 2012 and count how many of the contenders were on the FOX payroll, plus you had Huckabee and Palin in the wings. Newt is back on FOX now. Then, during the campaign, you had Murdoch ordering Christie to get in line and renew his support for Romney after Sandy. Now this attempt by Ailes comes out. Murdoch is really close to just outright owning a U.S. President.
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radical meme posted:I agree with the other comments above but the role that FOX is playing in the U.S. political system is pretty drat disturbing. In the type of truly free market required for economic prosperity, even presidents are for sale.
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Dec 4, 2012 22:00
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A typical freeper type co-worker of mine brought up Egypt and the protests today at lunch. I try to stay out of politics at work but this was just such a softball. He kept going on about how Mursi is such a crook and Obama's best friend and all that, so I straight up asked him why he thought Mursi had done what he did with regards to judicial authority. Deer in the headlights (of course), so I explained that Mursi's position is that the judges were appointed under Mubarek and that their loyalty to the old regime calls into question their ability to rule impartially. I further asked him if he thought the Founders would have been cool with keeping all the Crown's judges in place after the American Revolution. I realize it's not a perfect analogy but the look on his face was just priceless.
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radical meme posted:I agree with the other comments above but the role that FOX is playing in the U.S. political system is pretty drat disturbing. It brings me great solace that he will be die in the not too distant future. Hopefully his successors will either be not as lovely or so lovely they ruin the company. I'll be happy either way.
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Slow Graffiti posted:I definitely know who Sloan is, and recall studying him when I got my economics degree. http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen.htm
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Myrdhale posted:It brings me great solace that he will be die in the not too distant future. He's already started a culture that will outlive him by a lot. Wasn't there some australian billionaire heiress some time ago telling poor people to just stop whining and seek a workhouse who is also heavily investing in media? We may be yet to see the biggest and most successful Murdochists take their turn at the plate. How's that for a comforting thought?
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Interesting guy. I like how he even dismissed a lot of the evidence linking smoking to lung cancer. I certainly don't agree with his views, but he alone doesn't make me think that the Sloan Foundation is right wing based on all of the other things they have used their funds for. Looking around their site I even found that they gave a fellowship to Richard Feynman, who is one of my heroes. So that's pretty 
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Unzip and Attack posted:A typical freeper type co-worker of mine brought up Egypt and the protests today at lunch. I try to stay out of politics at work but this was just such a softball. He kept going on about how Mursi is such a crook and Obama's best friend and all that, so I straight up asked him why he thought Mursi had done what he did with regards to judicial authority. Deer in the headlights (of course), so I explained that Mursi's position is that the judges were appointed under Mubarek and that their loyalty to the old regime calls into question their ability to rule impartially. I further asked him if he thought the Founders would have been cool with keeping all the Crown's judges in place after the American Revolution. I realize it's not a perfect analogy but the look on his face was just priceless. You should have asked him why he thinks Morsi and Obama are pals. Is it just because Obama hasn't had him overthrown yet?
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King Dopplepopolos posted:You should have asked him why he thinks Morsi and Obama are pals. Is it just because Obama hasn't had him overthrown yet? (1) They're both Muslims. Duh. (2) Morsi is obviously a terrorist. Obama pals around with terrorists. Didn't you learn anything in school?
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King Dopplepopolos posted:You should have asked him why he thinks Morsi and Obama are pals. Is it just because Obama hasn't had him overthrown yet? Because Breitbart/AoS told him they were pals.
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Joementum posted this in the Republican Rebuilding thread, so many of you have probably already seen it, but it was just too good not to crosspost here: Fox News Puts Karl Rove on the Benchquote:The post-election soul searching going on inside the Republican Party is taking place inside Fox News as well. Fox News chief Roger Ailes, a canny marketer and protector of his network’s brand, has been taking steps since November to reposition Fox in the post-election media environment, freshening story lines — and in some cases, changing the characters. According to multiple Fox sources, Ailes has issued a new directive to his staff: He wants the faces associated with the election off the air — for now. For Karl Rove and Dick Morris — a pair of pundits perhaps most closely aligned with Fox’s anti-Obama campaign — Ailes’s orders mean new rules. Ailes’s deputy, Fox News programming chief Bill Shine, has sent out orders mandating that producers must get permission before booking Rove or Morris. Both pundits made several appearances in the days after the election, but their visibility on the network has dropped markedly. Inside Fox News, Morris’s Romney boosterism and reality-denying predictions became a punch line. At a rehearsal on the Saturday before the election, according to a source, anchor Megyn Kelly chuckled when she relayed to colleagues what someone had told her: “I really like Dick Morris. He’s always wrong but he makes me feel good.”
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quote:“I really like Dick Morris. He’s always wrong but he makes me feel good.” What a great new slogan for Fox News. "It's always wrong, but it makes me feel good" VirtualStranger fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Dec 5, 2012 |
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VirtualStranger posted:What a great new slogan for Fox News. Jon Stewart was thinking along the same lines, just with a different Megyn Kelly quote:  
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Sme of the sites I visit have been discussing Fox and MSNBC in the wake of the elections, and one thing I've never noticed them mention, even if they defend MSNBC against Fox, is that Fox doesn't just go after Democratic politicians and left-leaning figures, but the segments of the population that vote blue as well. Especially since the election when we hear about entitled poor people, minorities who want free stuff, Muslims who don't speak out enough against terrorism, and slutty single women. Do Olbermann or Ed Schultz on their worst days have segment devoted to trashing "racist rednecks" or "stupid fundies?" Bill Maher does, but he isn't on MSNBC, is he?
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King Dopplepopolos posted:You should have asked him why he thinks Morsi and Obama are pals. Is it just because Obama hasn't had him overthrown yet? Hillary Clinton said some nice things about Morsi after he brokered the Israel/Gaza ceasefire.
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Myrdhale posted:How can the crazy nutso base have enough money and assets to support these guys though? The corporate base are rich enough to insulate themselves from conservative social policy and know they will benefit from favoritism on taxes and regulatory/labor policy. Foreign policy for elected conservatives basically goes along with the poo poo Smedley Butler lamented some 80 years ago or so, making various regions safe for business interests. Of course it's with the exception of Ronpaul on the foreign policy front alone, but he's retiring anyway. So yes, the crazies get bankrolled by the business plotters just like the rest of them. It's just a marketing type of setup - fund candidate with social message x to get economic plan y implemented, profit. Same with news channels - editorialize to shape an ideologically uniform audience, then sell that market predictability to advertisers. The advertisers on FNC don't care about the audience's ideas on abortion or prayer in schools, but you bet your rear end they'd at least consider buying their gold futures or Chevy Tahoes or post-apocalyptic hermit gear.
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Dr Christmas posted:Sme of the sites I visit have been discussing Fox and MSNBC in the wake of the elections, and one thing I've never noticed them mention, even if they defend MSNBC against Fox, is that Fox doesn't just go after Democratic politicians and left-leaning figures, but the segments of the population that vote blue as well. Especially since the election when we hear about entitled poor people, minorities who want free stuff, Muslims who don't speak out enough against terrorism, and slutty single women. Do Olbermann or Ed Schultz on their worst days have segment devoted to trashing "racist rednecks" or "stupid fundies?" IBill Maher does, but he isn't on MSNBC, is he? Maher's not on MSNBC (he's on HBO), and neither is Olbermann anymore (I'm not sure what he's on these days). I don't honestly recall any segments on MSNBC in recent days where Maddow or Matthews or Sharpton or anyone took conservative voters to task or ripped on Republicans as a whole as being idiots. They do talk about specific conservative individuals or groups that have done something particularly repugnant (and also newsworthy); but I don't recall ever seeing them leading up to the election (or after) saying "Republicans, what a bunch of rubes" in terms of the actual Republican electorate (now, Republican media types and politicians being rubes is a different story ).
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Maher's not on MSNBC (he's on HBO), and neither is Olbermann anymore (I'm not sure what he's on these days). Yeah, one thing that's particularly disturbing about having in-laws immersed in right-wing media is that they will openly call liberals "stupid" or "insane" in front of my wife and I (we are both quite left-leaning). I know for a fact they get all their talking points verbatim from Fox News and Beck's radio show. In a way it's the ultimate iteration of conservatives projecting their flaws onto liberals
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