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Bongo Bill posted:Yeah, but he choked on them anyway. Well, the Courtyard Droll said he wasn't sure if Jake died from choking or an allergic reaction. Those two causes of death have some things in common, but I think you'd be able to tell which is which (If you're familiar with human biology, which I guess CD might not be). It's possible that CD concluded that the peanuts were effective because he saw the funeral. And if the peanuts didn't kill him, Prospit might still have recognized it as an assassination attempt and arranged a fake funeral to reassure Derse that Jake was dead. I'm a fan of the theory, but I have no way to explain why Jake's firefly lantern went out if he's not dead. So there's that.
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Two Inch Bee posted:Well, the Courtyard Droll said he wasn't sure if Jake died from choking or an allergic reaction. Those two causes of death have some things in common, but I think you'd be able to tell which is which (If you're familiar with human biology, which I guess CD might not be). It's possible that CD concluded that the peanuts were effective because he saw the funeral. Jake goes straight to the dream bubbles when he sleeps. His dream self is dead.
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Pessimism posted:Jake goes straight to the dream bubbles when he sleeps. His dream self is dead. poo poo, good point. Well, that's the end of that theory.
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When both Dirk and his dreamself were knocked unconscious, he went into a bubble. Of course, that was a special occasion. Is there any other example of going to sleep with an unconscious/comatose dreamself?
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So, some basic SBURB game mechanics questions: So we know now that there are four types of sessions: 1. Fruitful - A normal session that produces a new universe. Entry items are prototyped, there's a forge, a reckoning happens, Skaia realizes its full form and is fully able to generate a new universe 2. Null - A normal session where Skaia is unable to generate a new universe, which are apparently fairly common. Everything is otherwise normal... Entry items prototyped, there's a forge, the reckoning happens with a fully realized Skaia... there's just no fruit at the end of the game. I suppose a Tumor is located at the center of Skaia, while it isn't in a fruitful session? Or that could just be a one time thing? 3. Void - A game that has no chance of being successful. No entry items are prototyped, Skaia never reaches its full form, no reckoning, no new universe can be created through traditional means. Consorts, because of the lack of entry items, are skeletons and everything is dead. Players are nobles rather than heroes, blah blah blah. 4. Dead - Most difficult version of SBURB. Caused by a one-player session where the kernelsprite is prototyped by a black hole. Skaia is cloudy. There is apparently a Prospit and Derse though. There is no hope of winning, even with outside help. So we know that John/Jade/Rose/Dave were playing in a Null session, Roxy/Dirk/Jane/Jake are playing in a Void session, and that Caliborn is playing in a dead session. My question, is what type of sessions were the trolls playing in? Because from what it seems like, our Trolls (Karkat et all) were playing in a fruitful session, but got screwed out of it by Jack Noir. This is contradicted however by Aradia's monologue when she calls their session Null. As for the pre-scratch trolls, I'm assuming that they were playing in a Null session since it seems like the game mechanics for a scratch exist in order to give the players a second chance should their session become unwinnable/null. We have five different sessions in HS. Kinda funny that only one of them seemed to actually be a normal fruitful session.
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We know the pre-scratch trolls had a null session because Meenah used the tumor bomb to nuke the trolls.
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Update! I get the horrible feeling that Caliborn is going to tell Jane he wants to play a game, or he'll kill Roxy. Here's hoping she's not already dead. 
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WAR FOOT posted:Here's hoping she's not already dead. We all know what happened to Roxy already:    (I really really hope this is what happens )Oh, those are some pretty big skeletons by the way.
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I like how long it took me to realize that it's kind of weird how Jane is glancing up at the chat bubble emerging from the inventory HUD in the corner. I mean, this sort of thing has been in the story from the beginning, but it's a little funny how it doesn't even really register as fourth-wall breaking or anything anymore. If Caliborn's going to try to pretend to be Calliope, he'll have to come up with a reason why she'd be using his account. But I guess he's probably just going to be himself, with green or rainbow-flashing (it's hard to keep that trackball steady) letters.
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Man, Jake wasn't kidding when he told Jane the skeletons were starting to get bigger and stronger. Wasn't really expecting ones the size of city blocks...
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What if Caliborn starts talking to Jane in his usual shitlord way, and she decides to have none of it? If Hussie is trying to endear him to us, maybe he'll character develop and try listening to Jane's problems?
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clockwork chaos posted:What if Caliborn starts talking to Jane in his usual shitlord way, and she decides to have none of it? If Hussie is trying to endear him to us, maybe he'll character develop and try listening to Jane's problems? There's no way Caliborn would not find all of Jane's intense relationship emotions borderline obscene.
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Triskelli posted:We all know what happened to Roxy already: Jesus fanartists are too fast
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When Caliborn's chat symbol first popped up, it happened at the exact same time as a Windows Live notification popped up for me. Kind of startled me!
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When Jane replies to uu, I'm hoping it's not with the tiara.
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clockwork chaos posted:What if Caliborn starts talking to Jane in his usual shitlord way, and she decides to have none of it? If Hussie is trying to endear him to us, maybe he'll character develop and try listening to Jane's problems? I think he's already moved about as far as he can towards the "endearing" side of the meter for a future murderous pimp god douchebag. And given his reputation for hatin' on the ladies and using them as tools, especially later on, if we get any more sympathy for him it sure as hell won't be in treating Jane nicely.
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Triskelli posted:We all know what happened to Roxy already: Great, now I'm going to be horribly disappointed when this doesn't happen.
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SteelAngel2000 posted:
I think it was said somewhere that a null session is any that just happens not to produce a new universe--the null part is less predestined than the void or dead types, as I understood it. I'll try to find where that was but it might take a bit.
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Given the nature of skaia any session that fails seems as predestined as any other, I think. I imagine that any session where the players weren't spawned from skaia and sent back on meteors, like the other players on Earth besides the kids, probably all fall into Null, Void and Dead, depending on prototypings and number of players, now I think about it.
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Also keep in mind that due to the bizarre looping nature of Homestuck, it's entirely possible that there actually are no other sessions.
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Yeah, I realized that as I was typing it--what I mean is more that a null session lacks obvious signs of predestined failure, like the lack of prototyping towers on prospit/derse.
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WAR FOOT posted:Update! Caliborn is not the Condesce!
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Lizard Wizard posted:Caliborn is not the Condesce! I'm pretty sure at this point the Condesce works for him though. That was the way that the Handmaiden got out of her position, was to force her to take over. We see the battle going on as the teen version of her tries to run away from Doc Scratch.
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I think a void session doesn't necessarily have to be no prototyping and skeletons - it could be up to just missing the last one, since only the final form of Skaia can have a universe. You just lose in the first part of the game, and since the world loads up a history as the medium is entered, it ends up having had no (or not enough) towers. Predestination makes stuff weird though - I like the simpler interpretation of "there have never been towers, because you failed" over "you could not have possibly succeeded, because there have never been towers". Though I am kinda confused about what in particular made the Nobles end up with skeletons as opposed to just generic imps. Edit: Oh, wait, I guess the Imps are planet-based by default. So it's whatever got them with all dead planets. Culinary Bears fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Dec 6, 2012 |
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Fister Roboto posted:Also keep in mind that due to the bizarre looping nature of Homestuck, it's entirely possible that there actually are no other sessions. This page says that there were quite a lot of sessions!
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Suaimhneas posted:This page says that there were quite a lot of sessions! I think the intent was not interpreting session as "someone just playing Sburb/the equivalent", but rather as "an instance of Sburb/the equivalent which involves the predestined participants".
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Well it's clear there's at least one more session because otherwise what's the homestuck game going to be about.
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senseinobu posted:Well it's clear there's at least one more session because otherwise what's the homestuck game going to be about. You start playing the game with some friends, nobody can figure out how to enter the medium, everyone is crushed by meteors. It then cuts to, in a plot twist, the pre-scratch session before the one you just played. Except, inexplicably, the same thing happens anyway. Roll credits.
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Pfft, come on, the Homestuck Game is obviously going to be 60 hours of sylladex shenanigans, which is where the real gameplay is at.
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I want to note that Caliborn dropped Calliope's laptop at the start of his journey, and he was logged in as undyingUmbrage when Roxy pestered him. So it's possible that this isn't Caliborn and someone else is on his planet. poo poo, it might even be Gamzee for weird clown unreasons.
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Pester posted:Pfft, come on, the Homestuck Game is obviously going to be 60 hours of sylladex shenanigans, which is where the real gameplay is at. Sylladex logic puzzles would be a pretty neat game mechanic, actually.
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Rorus Raz posted:I want to note that Caliborn dropped Calliope's laptop at the start of his journey, and he was logged in as undyingUmbrage when Roxy pestered him. But if it's not Caliborn and it's not Gamzee.......who could it be?
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Pester posted:Pfft, come on, the Homestuck Game is obviously going to be 60 hours of sylladex shenanigans, which is where the real gameplay is at. You'll have to code your own fetch modus. Can you implement a Linked-List modus that doesn't lose items to pointer errors?
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A good poster posted:You'll have to code your own fetch modus. Can you implement a Linked-List modus that doesn't lose items to pointer errors? Using pointer errors to manipulate game code will be a vital part of solving the game. 
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Suaimhneas posted:This page says that there were quite a lot of sessions! Y'know, going back and looking at that page it strikes me as odd that there are so few meteors hitting Boston. Cape Cod's getting LEVELED, though, and Long Island is basically already gone. A good poster posted:You'll have to code your own fetch modus. Can you implement a Linked-List modus that doesn't lose items to pointer errors? Oh please, anyone with access to a search engine and working CTRL and C keys can do that. I'm pretty sure data structure code is the #1 most redundantly-documented thing on the Internet. That isn't porn. Unless they developed an entirely new Turing-complete Homestuck programming language with its own weird syntax, specifically to prevent people from using ready-made linked-list code. Which come to think of it would not surprise me.
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loquacius posted:Y'know, going back and looking at that page it strikes me as odd that there are so few meteors hitting Boston. Cape Cod's getting LEVELED, though, and Long Island is basically already gone. Boston is already a post-apocalyptic wasteland devoid of intelligent life, why would you need to waste meteors on it?
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