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berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003
Excerpt from "The Lion" by Gav Thorpe (The Primarchs collection):

quote:

There were spatha, longswords, bastard swords, mortuary swords, flambards, rapiers, sabres, scimitars, khopeshes, colichmardes, tulwars, shotels, falchions, misericordes and cutlasses; myrmex, cestus and knuckle dusters; baselards, stilettos, dirks and daggers; cleavers, sickles and kopis; mattocks, clubs, picks, maces, flails, morning stars, mauls and war hammers; hatchets, tomahawks, hand axes, double-bladed axes, long-bearded axes and adzes; pikes, partisans, fauchards, sarissas, voulges, Lochaber axes, boarspears, tridents, halberds, scythes, half pikes and hastas.

Really? I don't usually chime in on the anti-Gav Thorpe sentiments, but I'm really surprised that these aren't in alphabetical order from whatever list he copied and pasted. That entire paragraph sentence is lazy and unnecessary and terrible. :argh:

berzerkmonkey fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Nov 30, 2012

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got some chores tonight
Feb 18, 2012

honk honk whats for lunch...
WOW, that's a really lovely sentence for prose.

Cat Planet
Jun 26, 2010

:420: :catdrugs: :420:
Lion'El was a bit OCD about his weapon collection.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

dongsbot 9000 posted:

WOW, that's a really lovely sentence for prose.

The original work was serialized in Black Library's monthly short fiction magazine. In other words, it's shameless word count filler. Pretty pathetic, really.

I also enjoy the subcategories separated by semicolons, presumably organized by proficiencies or whatever from the D&D sourcebook he copied from.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

Arbite posted:

That book goes in fits and starts, but it has a neat ending. I have hopes for Incubus, at any rate. If he get's more Vect in then so much the better.

Yeah, Vect shows up for about 10 seconds at the coliseum, is every bit the awesome smug douche you'd hope the Tyrant of Commorragh would be, and now I haven't seen him in like 100 pages.

Polpoto
Oct 14, 2006

Anyone know if that Eisenhorn vs Ravenor short story Perihelion is worth the purchase?

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

Polpoto posted:

Anyone know if that Eisenhorn vs Ravenor short story Perihelion is worth the purchase?

It is in the Games Day Anthology 2012/13. As usual, it is a good Abnett story, but it isn't really action packed or anything. I'd say it's probably worth the $3, but you're not going to learn anything earth-shattering.

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Fallen Rib
Just finished Void Stalker, capping off the ADB night lord's trilogy. Great set. Really got to the heart of chaos marines and the epilogues for it were great. I was worried after the first one didn't do much to resolve anything, but the third paid everything off.

Really wanna see a series about the Atramentar, because I loved those silly guys. They literally seemed to spend all of their time standing around just being awesome.

Some reflections In hindsight it was funny how quickly the ninth got brought in/brought out. Xarl was my favorite in his mary sue way, his legendary good CC fighting ability ("We outnumber you." vs "We have Xarl.") His death was extraordinary, died headbutting an honest to emperor Astartes Hero to death. Uzas was probably my second favorite for some reason, probably his moments of clarity & heroism. Cyrion was great, for his petulant quips, and I really liked the resolution of Talos' prophecy & the fates of these two. Uzas for being super bro about Talos broing him all this time, and super angry that Cyrion basically doomed him. He was still an rear end, but not as much of an rear end. Talos I never really liked, I just liked the things happening around him. Septimus is truly one of the great humans in 40k fiction. The rest of First Claw I can scarcely recall. Mercutian was boring. I actually liked Sar Zell's brief existence. Vandred / The Exalted was cool. I wish we could get more first claw stuff in the heresy era, and before Vandred lost his mind to the Exalted. In the end, I think the awesomest thing about Void Stalker is that First Claw + Malcharion killed a Phoenix Lord.

JerryLee
Feb 4, 2005

THE RESERVED LIST! THE RESERVED LIST! I CANNOT SHUT UP ABOUT THE RESERVED LIST!

Scoobi posted:

Really wanna see a series about the Atramentar, because I loved those silly guys. They literally seemed to spend all of their time standing around just being awesome.

Now now. On at least one occasion, one of them effects awesomeness by getting blown the gently caress away by an autocannon out of nowhere. :getin:

They should let ADB write some Night Lords stuff for the HH series. It was cool seeing a couple of cameo callbacks (callforwards?) in The First Heretic.

Kegslayer
Jul 23, 2007

Scoobi posted:

Just finished Void Stalker, capping off the ADB night lord's trilogy. Great set. Really got to the heart of chaos marines and the epilogues for it were great. I was worried after the first one didn't do much to resolve anything, but the third paid everything off.

Really wanna see a series about the Atramentar, because I loved those silly guys. They literally seemed to spend all of their time standing around just being awesome.

Some reflections In hindsight it was funny how quickly the ninth got brought in/brought out. Xarl was my favorite in his mary sue way, his legendary good CC fighting ability ("We outnumber you." vs "We have Xarl.") His death was extraordinary, died headbutting an honest to emperor Astartes Hero to death. Uzas was probably my second favorite for some reason, probably his moments of clarity & heroism. Cyrion was great, for his petulant quips, and I really liked the resolution of Talos' prophecy & the fates of these two. Uzas for being super bro about Talos broing him all this time, and super angry that Cyrion basically doomed him. He was still an rear end, but not as much of an rear end. Talos I never really liked, I just liked the things happening around him. Septimus is truly one of the great humans in 40k fiction. The rest of First Claw I can scarcely recall. Mercutian was boring. I actually liked Sar Zell's brief existence. Vandred / The Exalted was cool. I wish we could get more first claw stuff in the heresy era, and before Vandred lost his mind to the Exalted. In the end, I think the awesomest thing about Void Stalker is that First Claw + Malcharion killed a Phoenix Lord.

Night Lord Trilogy Spoilers

One of the best things I loved about the series was how totally misguided and batshit crazy Talos was. He had totally idolised and reinvented what the Night Lord legion really was like in his mind which adds a whole level of humanity as his brother marines respect his gifts but pity his naivety.

I did like the fact that the whole squad died in quick succession though. ADB did a really good job of capturing the story of the diminishing warband. Even with a new purpose, suits of terminator armour and new reinforcements on the way, the 10th company still couldn't break away from it's downward spiral.

It'd be interesting to see where the Night Lords story goes although I don't think Black Library would let him write past the 13th Black Crusade though.


On HH, I think ADB is the guy to go to for all things Night Lords, Word Bearers and World Eaters so I'm sure we'll see more cameos in later books.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

berzerkmonkey posted:

It is in the Games Day Anthology 2012/13. As usual, it is a good Abnett story, but it isn't really action packed or anything. I'd say it's probably worth the $3, but you're not going to learn anything earth-shattering.
It is actually rather action-packed. I have no idea WTF was going on or where into the chronology it fits but it's interesting.

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

Arquinsiel posted:

It is actually rather action-packed. I have no idea WTF was going on or where into the chronology it fits but it's interesting.
It's the one in the courtroom, where Eisenhorn shows up in disguise, right? I remember it being a lot of dialogue but not a lot else. Everything going on was tangential to the conversation between the two main characters. I'll have to read it again, because that's pretty much all I remember.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Yup, that's the one. poo poo goes down though since someone sends a psychic assassin to the party for Ravenor, and only Eisenhorn being there spoils things for it. It's worth a read if you can borrow the book TBH, but other than having picked it up at Gamesday where most of the authors were signing I probably wouldn't have bothered.

Big Willy Style
Feb 11, 2007

How many Astartes do you know that roll like this?
Black Library have a volume of all of the audio books printed in hardcover.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/horus-heresy/the-scripts-volume-one.html

Are the stories worth the $45 price tag?

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER

Big Willy Style posted:

Black Library have a volume of all of the audio books printed in hardcover.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/horus-heresy/the-scripts-volume-one.html

Are the stories worth the $45 price tag?

The Garro stuff is kind of eh, but Butcher's Nails is really good. I don't know about the others.

Lily Catts
Oct 17, 2012

Show me the way to you
(Heavy Metal)
God not another exclusive thing...

I liked The Lightning Tower, Dark King was kinda bland (McNeill can't hold a candle to ADB in portraying the Night Lords, much less Curze himself), but it did have Fulgrim doing reasonably sane things. Raven's Flight was surprisingly decent.

I actually want more Garro, because more Garro means more Iacton Qruze. So I'm sad that I won't be able to get this due to my country's absurd customs tax.

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?
So what are your opinions towards The Last Church? I know it got published a while back, but I always thought it was kinda interesting - especially due to the whole amount of pre-Imperium information regarding Terra.

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

Big Willy Style posted:

Black Library have a volume of all of the audio books printed in hardcover.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/horus-heresy/the-scripts-volume-one.html

Are the stories worth the $45 price tag?
Just remember that these are advertised as scripts, and as such, it sounds like you get actual scripts, rather than stories. Scripts are not as enjoyable to read as stories are...

Pyrolocutus
Feb 5, 2005
Shape of Flame



Where are people seeing the 45 buck price tag? It's showing as 30 for me.

Also I'm considering it because audio-only content is worthless for the deaf/hearing impaired :argh:

KFJ
Nov 7, 2009
So I found Farseer, and I was wondering if you guys could tell me if it's any good or not? Grey Hunter's excellent LP has gotten me kind of interested in Rogue Traders, and the plot sounds insane enough. Otherwise I'll just read Emperor's Gift.

KFJ fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Dec 4, 2012

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

KFJ posted:

So I found Farseer, and I was wondering if you guys could tell me if it's any good or not? Grey Hunter's excellent LP has gotten me kind of interested in Rogue Traders, and the plot sounds insane enough. Otherwise I'll just read Emperor's Gift.

It's pretty nutso and could have made for an excellent series, but it was never continued for some reason, so don't expect total closure in the ending. William King tends to write the better trashier Bl fiction, if that makes sense.

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

Pyrolocutus posted:

Where are people seeing the 45 buck price tag? It's showing as 30 for me.

Also I'm considering it because audio-only content is worthless for the deaf/hearing impaired :argh:
You've got a great point - you should contact the Black Library and express your concerns. Having audio only content isn't fair to you (assuming you're the one with the hearing impairment.) You might actually get a positive response from them - let us know what they say. I'd be interested to hear what they have to say.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007
So I'm reading through the Night Lords books and I find that I like all the characters except Talos, who just keeps whining like a little bitch while murdering people. My Primarch :emo: Better skin some people.

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
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Mr.48 posted:

So I'm reading through the Night Lords books and I find that I like all the characters except Talos, who just keeps whining like a little bitch while murdering people. My Primarch :emo: Better skin some people.

Pretty much my reaction, yeah. The ones who had personality were great. I liked the Apothecary who hated to be touched - the irony is just delicious.

Are there any other good books about the Chaos Legions? Especially ones about incredibly jaded heretics, who are just fighting because it's what they do, not because they give a drat about the corpse-Emperor.

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

VanSandman posted:

Pretty much my reaction, yeah. The ones who had personality were great. I liked the Apothecary who hated to be touched - the irony is just delicious.

Are there any other good books about the Chaos Legions? Especially ones about incredibly jaded heretics, who are just fighting because it's what they do, not because they give a drat about the corpse-Emperor.

Storm of Iron is really the only other Chaos Marine book. There is Lord of Night, but that's really just one Night Lord (not related to ADB's Night Lords.)

Obviously, the Horus Heresy books give you early versions of the Chaos Legions, but nothing along the lines of the Night Lords books. I hear ADB is working on a Kharn book though, so we'll see how that goes.

berzerkmonkey fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Dec 7, 2012

got some chores tonight
Feb 18, 2012

honk honk whats for lunch...
Reynolds's Word Bearers trilogy wasn't too bad.

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

dongsbot 9000 posted:

Reynolds's Word Bearers trilogy wasn't too bad.
Oh, fudge. I forgot about those. I think I started the first book, but never got much farther. I can't remember if that was because I didn't like the book, or my attention just wandered to something else...

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

dongsbot 9000 posted:

Reynolds's Word Bearers trilogy wasn't too bad.

I actually remembered thinking the same thing recently, I had the first two in paperback when they first came back and picked up the omnibus in a charity shop thinking 'oh hey these weren't too bad and I never read the third book, let's re-read..'

They're garbage. Terrible, terrible garbage. Bolter porn with spikes on, none of the nuances of the Night Lords and awful cartoon villains having incredibly uncompelling adventures in whatever. I could barely finish them.

Your best bet for Chaos Marine stories is basically Night Lords trilogy, Lord of the Night and Storm of Iron for contemporary 40k stories.

Cat Planet
Jun 26, 2010

:420: :catdrugs: :420:
The Word Bearer trilogy is pretty bad and characterization in it is virtually nonexistent, unless you count "I DRINK SIX BOWLS OF TODDLER BLOOD EVERY BREAKFAST" as a character trait. It's bolter porn at its worst and thirteen-year-oldest. It has a few amusing side character arcs but it's no Storm of Iron it's clearly trying to be.

Oh and apparently the Word Bearers aren't allowed to drink, eat tasty food and get high, so Slaanesh gets kind of shafted. In fact, aside from Khorne, there are little to none scenes of chaos stuff you would expect.

Cat Planet fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Dec 4, 2012

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

"Mowglis Haircut and Therion" posted:

:words:
Aah, maybe that was why I didn't finish them...

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010
So ADB just revealed that his next tentatively planned Heresy novel will be called The Master of Mankind. Make of that what you will.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
He seemed to suggest that it's exactly what you'd think it is.

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

Arquinsiel posted:

He seemed to suggest that it's exactly what you'd think it is.

Wow. That is a really good blog post ADB wrote today. :golfclap:

I've always kind of thought that the reason for contradicting 40K stories is just the fact that everything from that era is half-truth, legend, and downright lies, but to hear it from the horse's mouth...

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
I love how he directly calls the majority of 40k readers morons, but does it in a way which allows you to think he means someone else.

He also gets a subtle dig in at our old friend Mr C.S. Goto.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Arquinsiel posted:

He seemed to suggest that it's exactly what you'd think it is.

Uh, yeah. I wasn't being dumb, just facetious.

Kegslayer
Jul 23, 2007

Arquinsiel posted:

I love how he directly calls the majority of 40k readers morons, but does it in a way which allows you to think he means someone else.

Am I reading it wrong? Isn't he just saying that Black Library and GW couldn't be bothered to standardised the IP? That and some of the other BL authors are terrible?

Readers don't expect every book to fit into some long timeline but they do expect the setting, characters and events to stay the same.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

ADB posted:

However, to business. First, incredulity.

Is that a real question? You’re asking if a novel called The Master of Mankind would be about Horus?

I want to hate you for that, but I’ve only got myself to blame by doing titles like The First Heretic and Betrayer – titles which apply to several characters in the novels they represent. So, okay, you win this round.

But, no.

Jesus, no.
"Sorry guys, I'll write less clever books so you don't be really wrong in future" is somewhat implied here.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
Can I get a link to said blog post?

Polpoto
Oct 14, 2006

bunnyofdoom posted:

Can I get a link to said blog post?

http://aarondembskibowden.wordpress.com/

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Mr.48
May 1, 2007
Ugh, still trying to slog through Night Lords, and Talos is getting more annoying with every passing page. Also, his guys keep winning fights for no logical reason. They inflict about the same amount of damage on their opponents as they suffer themselves, and yet every time they just get up, dust off their armor and move along while their opponents die. I think I might just have to stay away from chaos marine fluff, because if this is the best of it, I'm unimpressed.

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