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Memento1979 posted:I'm going to have to dig out my DVDs from the era - I barely recall this match at all. This is RR 2003, right? That's the one, I don't know if the DVD retains the standing ovation at the end, though. Live they cut away to backstage but quickly cut back when they realized what was happening. It remains one of my favorite wrestling memories to this day.
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Jerusalem posted:That's the one, I don't know if the DVD retains the standing ovation at the end, though. Live they cut away to backstage but quickly cut back when they realized what was happening. It remains one of my favorite wrestling memories to this day. The Benoit ovation has its own chapter on the DVD.
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ZDar Fan posted:I've always wondered how the MSG crowd would have reacted had Steiner/HHH had to FOLLOW Angle/Benoit. RR2003 was in Boston. So, the TD Garden. Less smarky than MSG, if only by a little.
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The thing about the RR applause for Benoit was there was 0 prompting for it. As someone who was there... it was just a couple of sections who were just giving props to Benoit for putting up an awesome fight as he was still in the ring, selling everything. Then more and more sections just caught on and then everyone in the audience kinda felt what was going on and it finished with what the production team cut back to.
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If I recall correctly, even though Angle was very much a heel at the time, he kinda gave Benoit a look and nod as if to say "You're a tough motherufcker".
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Dec 9, 2012 20:20
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Sky Shadowing posted:He only used this theme once? In a blast of nostalgia I dug out my old copies of SD Just Bring It and Here Comes the Pain, and I was surprised to see it's his theme in the JBI (the older one). Austin used that theme for maybe a week (Raw + Smackdown), and then it was changed to the other Alliance theme. The first heel theme would have fit better if he'd used it during his heel run prior to defecting to the Alliance. It fit his Two Man Power Trip/"sadistic sombitch who doesn't give a poo poo if you're his best friend, he's gonna kick your rear end anyway" persona. The second Alliance theme fit his Unhinged Paranoid/"needs-constant-adoration-and-reassurance" persona that he'd fallen into at the time much better.
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Yeah, it was one week he used it. My main criticism is it starts out too slow, which isn't good for a wrestling theme. It's still absolutely  though.
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VogeGandire posted:Yeah, it was one week he used it. My main criticism is it starts out too slow, which isn't good for a wrestling theme. Agreed. A good wrestling theme needs that initial "hook" so that the fans (most of whom, let's face it, are idiots) know immediately who's coming to the ring. Austin had the shattering glass. Triple H that bass note. The tradition of that "hook" is why I love The Rock's Hollywood entrance, because it turned it on its head. The long, subdued intro, and instead of his usual loud catchphrase, they cut it all the way back to a quiet "....is cookin'..."
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Dec 9, 2012 23:14
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VogeGandire posted:Yeah, it was one week he used it. My main criticism is it starts out too slow, which isn't good for a wrestling theme.
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Dec 9, 2012 23:42
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Jay 2K Winger posted:Agreed. A good wrestling theme needs that initial "hook" so that the fans (most of whom, let's face it, are idiots) know immediately who's coming to the ring. I like ones that come from a sound effect or are part of the music. I never want to hear another theme that starts with the wrestler saying his catchphrase, or worse yet, his name. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKw0BxaCL5k Rock's was fine cause it fit him and he started doing it long before it became so cliched. Same with "Oh, you didn't know?" cause it was part of their gimmick. Mr. Kennedy gets a pass for the same reason. But every single time I heard "My name is Finlay..." or "Enough is enough!" or "I spit in the face..." or "Gregory Helms!" I cringed. It just feels so cheesy.
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Dec 9, 2012 23:43
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Nothing will ever be as good as Steve Blackman's theme. Nothing.
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Gonz posted:Nothing will ever be as good as Steve Blackman's theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwNiQg6SdXY Is still the best regardless of what you think of him once that theme hit you knew it was rear end kicking time.
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Some themes didnt need a hook. The crowd had already associated the song with badassness. http://youtu.be/wq6MJpSTRd0 No hook or phrase, but as soon as the APA theme kicked in, you knew someone was getting their poo poo wrecked.
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The worst hook is Zack Ryder's "Woo Woo Woo" one. The beginning of Oh Radio was better without it.
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The Croc posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwNiQg6SdXY Similarly.
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Sionistic posted:Some themes didnt need a hook. The crowd had already associated the song with badassness. Fair point. Maybe what I should have said was it should be easily identifiable in the first few notes. The APA theme, as soon you heard those first three notes... an rear end-whuppin' was incoming.
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The Croc posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwNiQg6SdXY
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Perry Normal posted:I like ones that come from a sound effect or are part of the music. I never want to hear another theme that starts with the wrestler saying his catchphrase, or worse yet, his name. But I'll never tire of Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh WHAT A RUSH! It sounded on Smackdown a few months ago as part of the,"Heath Slater accidentally summons a WWE Legend to kick his rear end" storyline and I lost my goddamn mind.
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Jay 2K Winger posted:Agreed. A good wrestling theme needs that initial "hook" so that the fans (most of whom, let's face it, are idiots) know immediately who's coming to the ring. A hook, you say? 
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Jerusalem posted:But I'll never tire of Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh WHAT A RUSH! Were they the first wrestlers with a catch phrase to start off their music?
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Jerusalem posted:"Heath Slater accidentally summons a WWE Legend to kick his rear end" storyline and I lost my goddamn mind. This was probably my favorite storyline of like the last 3 years. Also if we are posting themes with good starting hooks, I can't think of a etter one than the Nation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPYrHsO_-H0
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That and the first rock theme are 2nd only to stone cold in my book. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwHlV4Ab4IM
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Perry Normal posted:Were they the first wrestlers with a catch phrase to start off their music? Not if Ted Dibiase's awesome laugh counts as a catchphrase (it does).
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VogeGandire posted:Speaking of effective hooks This was always one of my favorites. I thought Marcus Cor Von's was a lot of fun. I always had a soft spot for that Crash Holly theme that Spike TV used to use to promo their lovely shows a few years back, too. Question: Jack Swagger seems to have nothing but upside. He's charismatic, good in the ring, he has a great look. Why isn't he a big star? Is it that minor lisp of his? Is he a huge pain in the rear end? Am I maybe over rating him a bit? Or is the WWE honestly just that bad at utilizing their talent? It's that last one, isn't it  Edit: Crash's theme http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=07Kp4r--JTc Cor Von's theme http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=1ya2rHgDoRs DangerDummy! fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Dec 10, 2012 |
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DangerDummy! posted:Question: Jack Swagger seems to have nothing but upside. He's charismatic, good in the ring, he has a great look. Why isn't he a big star? Is it that minor lisp of his? Is he a huge pain in the rear end? Am I maybe over rating him a bit? Or is the WWE honestly just that bad at utilizing their talent? they gave him the World Heavyweight Title, changed his character entirely, he flopped, and they then decided it must be his fault so he is destined to be mid-card fodder forever. really, your final assumption is correct. it is correct 99% of the time when it comes to any squandered talent in the WWE. they can't book, Vince is scum, and the company will never improve until he's gone.
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Perry Normal posted:Were they the first wrestlers with a catch phrase to start off their music? Jake Roberts' heel theme dates from around the same time, not sure which one was first. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bXUWsBcbSA
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VogeGandire posted:Speaking of effective hooks Someone's about to get jobbed out to Triple H as the reigning ECW champion on Live TV!!!
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not sure what is up with people talking about the best entrance themes without mentioning the BEST of all time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqRKKpnWkh8
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amplifierWORSHIP posted:they gave him the World Heavyweight Title, changed his character entirely, he flopped, and they then decided it must be his fault so he is destined to be mid-card fodder forever. Eh, I figured as much. I just remember seeing him completely dead lift that Alex Riley guy a couple years ago (?) Into a powerbomb and the announce team went out of their way to make him look like a loving rear end in a top hat even though I thought it was kinda obviously not his fault. Then I think he jobbed to Santino or something. Another question: I've heard CM Punk called a "sloppy worker" a whole bunch of times, but I've heard just as often that he's a safe and trustworthy guy in the ring. This doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me unless sloppy and unsafe don't mean the same thing in this context. So I guess my question is... uh, how come that? I swear I framed it better in my head...
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Sloppy just in terms of he's not very graceful and some of his moves look awkward. Not sloppy in the terrible, dangerous worker sense, just sloppy in the it could look better sense.
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DangerDummy! posted:Eh, I figured as much. I just remember seeing him completely dead lift that Alex Riley guy a couple years ago (?) Into a powerbomb and the announce team went out of their way to make him look like a loving rear end in a top hat even though I thought it was kinda obviously not his fault. Then I think he jobbed to Santino or something. He's sloppy because he tries to do things but he just messes them up. He's not really dangerous per se, just at times clumsy and awkward.
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Thunder Hammerfist posted:He's sloppy because he tries to do things but he just messes them up. He's not really dangerous per se, just at times clumsy and awkward. Didn't Ace Steel say something about Punk when training him in the DVD? He had "lead in his rear end"
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amplifierWORSHIP posted:not sure what is up with people talking about the best entrance themes without mentioning the BEST of all time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqRKKpnWkh8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTL-Byt_dRA this really is legitimately one of my favorite wrestling themes ever, my friends and I still occasionally start singing it to each other despite it only having played once ever to our knowledge
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CM Punk is not sloppy in the sense that a bodybuilder/football player in developmental is with barely a year of training. he's just not super crisp in everything that he does like let's say, Daniel Bryan is. as far as in-ring psychology goes he's among the top brass in the WWE right now. if anything i think it really adds to his character as a guy who might work his rear end off in every situation, but just isn't the picture perfect athlete.
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Lloyd Boner posted:Sloppy just in terms of he's not very graceful and some of his moves look awkward. Not sloppy in the terrible, dangerous worker sense, just sloppy in the it could look better sense. He fucks up that springboard clothesline a lot (relatively speaking), I'm kinda surprised he hasn't dropped it. Punk always hass struck me as a terrible natural athlete, but he makes up for it with his psychology and timing.
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Punk has a lot of moves that look bad, but none that look dangerous. Cena's leg drop bulldog is going to kill somebody. Were there any plans for Shawn Michaels in the nWo? It seemed like bizarre weird way to have him return before the Triple H feud. Did Nash's quad and Hall being Hall ruin a planned Outsiders vs. DX match?
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Well, Hall would have been fired for being a drunk at some point.
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Alright, pop quiz fellas: Who, excluding HBK, has the best superkick?
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Ziggler throws a pretty drat neat superkick. Lance Storm's was pretty nice too.
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