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I've been trying to enlist with the army into an intelligence job (35F, T, or Q) but my recruiter has been trying to push me into 35P since that's what available at the moment. I basically had half the office telling me that 35P is superior to those jobs in every way and that it could be up to a year before any of the three jobs I was looking at opened up. Dealing with these recruiters so far has been a total nightmare which I won't get into and I don't trust them worth poo poo, but is there any truth to this? Is 35P really a preferred job compared to the other three and would it really take that long for something to open up? Thanks for any help you guys can give.
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Nov 30, 2012 01:21
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They probably have an incentive for getting people to sign up for that job, it's like that in the AF too. It's a REALLY loving HARD career field and you will really have to try to pass all the tests and poo poo. You're learning a new language (or polishing up one you already know), and having to differentiate that language when there are like 8 other languages being spoken at the same time. Seriously, it's a hard career field. The upside is, if you do pass all the tests and poo poo, you get to do super cool stuff. But seriously, if you're looking at crypto linguist, look at the air force. You get to be in planes and poo poo if you pick airborne crypto linguist.
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Nov 30, 2012 01:24
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I really wish I could but at 30 I'm ancient by air force standards. I'm fine with the high learning curve for the job and I even managed to read through the entire DLI thread without being completely horrified. My main concern with 35P is that I'll go through all the training only to ultimately fill a position completely unrelated to my language. Then again, I'm sure you have the potential to land the poo poo jobs regardless of what you choose. The way you describe it, crypto linguist actually sounds decent so maybe I just haven't considered it as much as I should. Thanks a lot for your help.
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Nov 30, 2012 02:38
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vaerd posted:I've been trying to enlist with the army into an intelligence job (35F, T, or Q) but my recruiter has been trying to push me into 35P since that's what available at the moment. I basically had half the office telling me that 35P is superior to those jobs in every way and that it could be up to a year before any of the three jobs I was looking at opened up. I am currently a 35N and work around 35F, 35T, and 35P soldiers every day. Based on what I have seen and know about the daily tasks of each MOS, I would take 35P over 35F for sure and more than likely over 35T, too. If learning a language appeals to you, then go with 35P. Keep in mind that having proficiency in a foreign language is a very nice bullet to have on your resume in the civilian world, as well as the military. If you do well enough on the DLPT, for instance, you can make a couple hundred dollars extra each month while in the Army. However, also know that you will more than likely spend close to 2 years in TRADOC by going with 35P. You're looking at ~2.5 months in basic, another 6-12+ months at DLI (depending on language), and then another few months at Goodfellow in Texas. The 2 years in TRADOC wouldn't have bothered me, but it is still something you need to consider. Also, know that 35P usually carries with it a longer service obligation due to the extended training time. At the time I was signing up, 35W (which was just a placeholder for 35P a few years ago) carried with it a minimum 5 year contract. Obviously, that is something you will want to confirm with a recruiter, as it certainly may have changed in the last couple of years. Just my opinion, but I would go with 35P or 35Q. Don't let the recruiters talk you into a job. If you are dead set on a specific job and don't mind waiting, then wait it out.
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Nov 30, 2012 03:13
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35T is really weird for the intel field and at some point in it's history wasn't even considered intel but maintenance. You don't actually deal with intel products at all. No reports, no briefings none of that normal "intel" stuff. You're maintenance for all the fancy whiz-bang toys that all the intel guys use. The training is loving long, 51 weeks or something insane. I've seen, heard of and been personally tasked as the MOS to do anything from satellite communications, electrical maintenance and repair (usually of ancient rear end systems from the '70s that nobody else can understand how to work anymore) to covering for the 6 shop's inevitable gently caress ups and incompetence, meaning you're system admin and IT networking support. It's a really fun MOS, but now for the bad news. You will not make E5. Give up now. The MOS is allergic to promoting anyone to NCO who has a loving clue how to do the job. For the consecutive years I bothered to look before my motivation was ground down into nothingness points were never anything other than maxed out. So sign up, do your time, get out and make fat stacks with contractor dollars.
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Nov 30, 2012 06:22
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I've found it ridiculously hard to both find people with hands on experience at these jobs and get a straight, unbiased answer from them so I really appreciate the help and honesty. Looks like I should've just asked this question here a long time ago instead of trying to wade through the crazy bs on other military forums.
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Nov 30, 2012 07:34
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I'm just gonna post a quick run-down of my situation, having read the OP, to get some opinions here. I've been mulling over the idea of joining the Navy for a long time. I probably should have done it when I was young instead of being an idiot and making a bunch of relatively bad choices. So, here's the run down: I'm 29. I used to smoke a good amount of weed, but I've never done any hard drugs. When I was in my late-teens early-twenties I was on run-of-the-mill antidepressants. I've had problems with debt due to losing my job at a really lovely time and being unable to pay my credit cards, and this being before new regulations came into place one of my cards was jacked up to a 43% APR(!), to the tune of about $15k. (You don't have to tell me that I'm an idiot, I got my poo poo together and learned how to budget, unfortunately too late to help with that situation.) Also, I'm close to having a two-year degree from school, but I hate school. I love learning, I'm great at mathematics and anything related to science, and I'm great at communicating with people. I'm just not into the whole college thing. I've got a son and an ex-wife, who I've already discussed it with at length and gotten the go-ahead. But, like I said, I've wanted to join since I was in high-school, and my parents talked me out of it. I want to do something that actually seems like it matters, instead of feeling like I'm doing some stupid job that any moron could do. In all honesty, I'd really like to have a job aboard some kind of aircraft, like the people who do midair refueling, that looks incredible. Am I basically just delusional here, given my history? Is it just delusional to feel like I would make a difference even if I did get to enlist? Is it even worth going to the recruiter, or am I basically just going to be wasting his/her time?
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Nov 30, 2012 20:55
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I am doing the crypto-linguist gig in the Air Force right now, if you have any questions about their tech school I can answer some of them. The whole "no one will tell me anything about this job" doesn't get any better.
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Nov 30, 2012 21:29
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BUSH 2112 posted:In all honesty, I'd really like to have a job aboard some kind of aircraft, like the people who do midair refueling, that looks incredible. Just as a note since you mentioned the Navy, the only Navy people who do this right now are Hornet pilots. The Air Force pretty much runs the entire big-wing multi-crew tanker business. We've got at least one AF tanker crewman around here, so poke around the AF thread if you're interested in that. If you just mean aircrew of any kind, then Navy and Air Force both have a variety of positions. As far as your background, it doesn't sound too bad as long as you've turned things around in the last few years and are doing okay. Plenty of people do stupid stuff when they're young and stupid, but if you get your poo poo squared away without a criminal record then the military is usually pretty reasonable.
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Dec 1, 2012 03:42
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This is probably a dumb question, but if I have a housemate that smokes pot and does a crappy job of ventilating his room, I don't have to worry about that showing up when I go through MEPS, do I?
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Dec 5, 2012 03:18
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Internet Wizard posted:This is probably a dumb question, but if I have a housemate that smokes pot and does a crappy job of ventilating his room, I don't have to worry about that showing up when I go through MEPS, do I? No. Unless you literally live in a perfectly airtight closet.
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Dec 5, 2012 03:27
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just droppin in to say im kind of a gip success story, i first posted here 2 years ago about to drop out of college and i got absolutely reamed, now im going to ocs, dont be like i almost was, thats all.
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Dec 5, 2012 08:01
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barbudo posted:just droppin in to say im kind of a gip success story, i first posted here 2 years ago about to drop out of college and i got absolutely reamed, now im going to ocs, dont be like i almost was, thats all. Im still going to make fun of you 
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Dec 5, 2012 10:08
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Secret Spoon posted:Im still going to make fun of you 
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Dec 5, 2012 16:09
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barbudo posted:just droppin in to say im kind of a gip success story, i first posted here 2 years ago about to drop out of college and i got absolutely reamed, now im going to ocs, dont be like i almost was, thats all. Now if we could just get you to shower
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Dec 6, 2012 02:34
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LEGIT WAR CRIMINAL posted:Now if we could just get you to shower hilarious i bet that joke has never been made before
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Dec 6, 2012 02:38
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Have any of you guys taken the C-SORT? I know it's some kind of high-speed personality test, but I really don't know any more than that. I'm taking it tomorrow morning, and I'd like to know a little more about it, if for no other reason than to put my mind at ease. EDIT: Never mind, if you've taken it, you aren't allowed to say anything about it that I couldn't find just by googling. Doughy Fresh fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Dec 7, 2012 |
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Dec 7, 2012 00:07
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At MEPS, does the detailer know the medical qualifications for the job he details you for? This is Navy. I am trying to CTN the detailer told me I was qualified, but we couldn't do it that day blah blah, so he signed me up for STG. I looked online yesterday and found this http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/reference/milpersman/1000/1300Assignment/Documents/1306-618.pdf saying that I need vision correctable for 20/20 for both STG and CTN. But MEPS has me correctable 20/25. So I'm signed up for a job I'm technically not medically qualified for and trying to switch to one I'm not medically qualified for. Was the dude just bad at his job or was that in his purview?
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Dec 7, 2012 23:36
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DrCuntmuffins posted:hilarious It has and it's still funny because he's unwashed swine. hth
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Dec 8, 2012 02:07
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Hell Diver posted:It has and it's still funny because he's unwashed swine. hth  in a serious turn of events if any newbies want to ask questions about comm related fields ask me because i've done almost everything
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Dec 8, 2012 04:25
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Long overdue response but thanks for the feedback about my flat feet issue. Also to be honest, while I really do love my country appreciate what the guys in the Army and especially Marines do, I can honestly say I don't want to ever go into either one, especially the Marines. Our current government is so fkin gung ho about sticking its nose into everything outside of our borders, and since the Iraq war started I've heard plenty of stories about people being called back for 3 tours of duty. I don't want to come back missing limbs or in a body bag. Can anyone tell me how the job opportunities for an IT specialist fair in the armed forces/government?
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Dec 10, 2012 17:55
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You do realize that literally every branch deploys to the AOR, right? I'm the most commy comm guy there is and I'm in some shithole in Afghanistan. You're not immune from going to a poo poo place just because of the branch you choose.
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Dec 10, 2012 21:17
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xSousuke posted:Long overdue response but thanks for the feedback about my flat feet issue. Also to be honest, while I really do love my country appreciate what the guys in the Army and especially Marines do, I can honestly say I don't want to ever go into either one, especially the Marines. Our current government is so fkin gung ho about sticking its nose into everything outside of our borders, and since the Iraq war started I've heard plenty of stories about people being called back for 3 tours of duty. I don't want to come back missing limbs or in a body bag. if you're worried about getting deployed, don't join the military.
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Dec 10, 2012 21:49
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I have a close friend that is interested in joining the military. Unfortunately, he is haunted by a fairly recent drug-related felony conviction (I believe this happened about 3-4 years ago) and he has been in rehab. What are his chances of even getting into any branch of the military? I sincerely believe the military would be the best path for him to take at this point in his life and I am interested in learning if there is any way he can get in. Any ideas/suggestions/thoughts?
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Dec 11, 2012 03:31
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Ravarek posted:I have a close friend that is interested in joining the military. Unfortunately, he is haunted by a fairly recent drug-related felony conviction (I believe this happened about 3-4 years ago) and he has been in rehab. What are his chances of even getting into any branch of the military? Probably best for him to talk to a recruiter. It'd be a waiver that he'd have to give, and frankly a lot of the branches are being stingy recruiting people because of the drawdowns
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Dec 11, 2012 03:41
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Ravarek posted:recent drug-related felony conviction No.
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Dec 11, 2012 03:50
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Yeah, really not a chance on that one.
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Dec 11, 2012 03:52
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French Foreign Legion.
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Dec 11, 2012 03:52
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Ravarek posted:I have a close friend that is interested in joining the military. Unfortunately, he is haunted by a fairly recent drug-related felony conviction (I believe this happened about 3-4 years ago) and he has been in rehab. What are his chances of even getting into any branch of the military? Felony drug conviction and drug rehab are both permanent disqualifications for all branches of the armed services. So unfortunately, your friend has no chance of serving in the military. As others mentioned, he might have a chance with the French Foreign Legion but he'd have to make it to France and talk to them about it.
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Dec 11, 2012 20:52
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We're felony drug waivers ever really that common? Even during the surge days?
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Dec 11, 2012 22:35
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HATE CURES TRANNYS posted:We're felony drug waivers ever really that common? Even during the surge days? I recruited during the surge and even on the worst days, no one would even consider a felony drug waiver. As far as I know, it's something that has and always will be non-waiverable (Marine Corps). I can't imagine any of the other services would be different.
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Dec 12, 2012 00:33
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I graduated college a year ago and have been considering the army or navy. My only hesitation is I have full sleeve tattoos. Absolutely nothing objectionable/hateful and nothing that can be seen when I'm in a long sleeve shirt. So is this a non-starter with the army or navy? I've tried searching online but most of the info seems to be outdated. Any help would be appreciated.
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Dec 12, 2012 10:21
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We can't even let someone in with a misdemeanor paraphernalia charge or anything drug related at all, felony or not.
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Dec 12, 2012 17:40
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DEVILDOGOOORAH posted:We can't even let someone in with a misdemeanor paraphernalia charge or anything drug related at all, felony or not. Is that for all branches? And what if you recieved deffered adjudication?
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Dec 12, 2012 18:27
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DAS Super! posted:Is that for all branches? And what if you recieved deffered adjudication? Deferred adjudication is considered the same thing as an open court case. You can't put someone in until after the deferment period is over.
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Dec 12, 2012 18:36
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Hekk posted:Deferred adjudication is considered the same thing as an open court case. You can't put someone in until after the deferment period is over. Oh okay so if you sucessfully completed it, you can still get in correct?
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Dec 12, 2012 18:39
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Sexy Flanders posted:I graduated college a year ago and have been considering the army or navy. My only hesitation is I have full sleeve tattoos. Absolutely nothing objectionable/hateful and nothing that can be seen when I'm in a long sleeve shirt. So is this a non-starter with the army or navy? I've tried searching online but most of the info seems to be outdated. Any help would be appreciated. Your best bet is to go talk to a recruiter. If you call them up and they want to screen you out, you can give a bogus name, address, and phone number but answer everything else truthfully (if you are concerned about getting harassed). The Marine Corps had different tattoo policies depending on which coast you recruited because there were different generals that ran each side of the Mississippi. I don't know if the Army and Navy are any different but I imagine the tattoo requirements for officers are a bit stricter than enlisted. From the Marine Corps perspective a sleeve tattoo was a disqualifier. The Army has always had a more relaxed tattoo policy than the Marine Corps though.
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Dec 12, 2012 18:41
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DAS Super! posted:Oh okay so if you sucessfully completed it, you can still get in correct? I haven't been a recruiter for a while. During the surge, we could work misdemeanor marijuana charges as a district level waiver. Any other drug charges were not workable. DEVILDOGOOORAH is on the streets right now as an Army recruiter. If he says they can't work waivers, I'd think it's an accurate statement.
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Dec 12, 2012 18:44
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Hekk posted:I haven't been a recruiter for a while. During the surge, we could work misdemeanor marijuana charges as a district level waiver. Any other drug charges were not workable. DEVILDOGOOORAH is on the streets right now as an Army recruiter. If he says they can't work waivers, I'd think it's an accurate statement. Not to get a lawyery but as I understand it a deferred adjudication there is no formal conviction and the case is dismissed. Does that make a difference? Like is the disqualifier just a drug charge as in you were order to appear and face charges? Or is it a charge and conviction? /end law chat
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We need a stickied thread titled "If you got caught with drugs or took anti-depressants you can't join the military. ;-("
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