|
|
#
?
Dec 6, 2012 22:08
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 29, 2024 06:59 |
|
|
Something.....happening.....pants.....tightening.....
|
|
#
?
Dec 7, 2012 00:35
|
|
|
Buying a 2006 Saab 9-2x Aero on Tuesday. Pumped.
|
|
#
?
Dec 7, 2012 00:55
|
|
|
Why do you have to poo poo up the thread with something so pretty? God, you're a jerk.
|
|
#
?
Dec 7, 2012 01:26
|
|
|
 a proper wagon
|
|
#
?
Dec 7, 2012 01:30
|
|
|
DreamOn13 posted:Buying a 2006 Saab 9-2x Aero on Tuesday. Pumped. Yay, we can be 06 wagon bros. 
|
|
#
?
Dec 7, 2012 03:14
|
|
|
So...you have some Extra S to share now right? 
|
|
#
?
Dec 7, 2012 03:45
|
|
|
I'll fill you for free if you make the trip.  I realistically will only ever use one more fill, so I'll toss you the extra one if you want.
|
|
#
?
Dec 7, 2012 03:56
|
|
|
I'm in Detroit so that's not unreasonable to make it over your way and meet the world famous Canadian AI poster/pornstar. One condition: only if you don't wear the jorts.
Suburban Dad fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Dec 7, 2012 |
|
#
?
Dec 7, 2012 04:04
|
|
|
Shin-chan posted:Why do you have to crush my dreams so quickly? If it landed on American shores, would you really buy one? Would that not only be at the top of your list, but what you'd want to spend some serious cash on? Unlike GM, who needs to expand its image, I don't think a performance wagon Audi or BMW does much for those respective companies' brand images.
|
|
#
?
Dec 7, 2012 08:15
|
|
|
I loving love wagons. I loving love this thread. Some of the wagons I have owned/now own: 1996 Buick Roadmaster with LT1...awesome wagon, the quintessential wagon 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Sportback...kinda rare but I moved 3 bicycles with it before and it's helped me move across state lines multiple times 1989 SAAB 900...I'm going to count this even though it's technically a hatchback. Ever see one in person? It's pretty much a wagon with a sloped 5th door. Sweet/Swede. 1980 Subaru 1600 DL AWD...very cool wagon, pristine interior and only 116K on the clock. Fixed it up and sold it to a local enthusiast for a song. Would've kept it for a DD, but I'm 6' 3". 1983 Nissan Stanza wagon. Super cool wagon with carb issues. The upholstery looked like it was made of pillow cases. I don't think I can count my 1981 Toyota Celica Supra hatch, though.  Right now, I have a 1990 Toyota Camry wagon. Why? Because my wife is driving our 2013 Subaru Outback in cypress green (love that wagon). I've done a shitton of work on the Camry wagon (not an AllTrac, sorry), fixing body work and digging those La-Z-Boy bucket seats while getting a sweet, sweet 35 MPG as of last fill up. I will post pictures upon request.  I don't know about the rest of you, but my wagon memories go waaaaay back to when my parents owned a late 80s Ford Escort wagon and I, as a kid, loved having to go in the back part, playing with toys and generally taking naps while everyone else fought for elbow room up front. Francis Baconator fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Dec 7, 2012 |
|
#
?
Dec 7, 2012 21:52
|
|
|
While I love jerkin it to awesome performance wagons, there is no loving way I'm buying any of them. I'm a poor recent college grad, so my next car is another 05 legacy wagon probably pre-dead so I can fix it for cheap.
|
|
#
?
Dec 7, 2012 21:52
|
|
|
kimbo305 posted:If it landed on American shores, would you really buy one? Would that not only be at the top of your list, but what you'd want to spend some serious cash on? I wouldn't but that's because it's an Audi.
|
|
#
?
Dec 7, 2012 22:09
|
|
|
Mr. Wiggles posted:I wouldn't but that's because it's an Audi. Q7amino. 
|
|
#
?
Dec 7, 2012 22:10
|
|
|
Slow is Fast posted:While I love jerkin it to awesome performance wagons, there is no loving way I'm buying any of them. I'm a poor recent college grad, so my next car is another 05 legacy wagon probably pre-dead so I can fix it for cheap. My pre-dead wagon is awesome  Well... It still drove kinda. It's awesome driving 80 miles home on the highway with hosed up brakes, slipping clutch, two bad wheel bearings, hosed up injector, skipped timing belt, leaking head gasket, etc After some love, it's great. 
|
|
#
?
Dec 7, 2012 22:37
|
|
|
DreamOn13 posted:Buying a 2006 Saab 9-2x Aero on Tuesday. Pumped. Sup 06 9-2x Aero buddy. We cumulatively own almost 1% of all 2006 9-2x Aeros sold in the States, unless you're bringing it down from Canuckistan.
|
|
#
?
Dec 8, 2012 02:47
|
|
|
chrisgt posted:It's awesome driving 80 miles home on the highway with Read that as driving 80 miles an hour  You weren't, right?
|
|
#
?
Dec 8, 2012 03:25
|
|
|
Got to post in here seeing as I have 2 wagons. 96 855 and an 81 245 that I'm currently working a v8 into, if I ever get a chance to actually do work on it. I loving love wagons. I work at a swedish car shop where I get to play with wagons all day long. Its awesome. I got to test drive a V50 T5 awd with the 6 speed a couple of days ago and spent the rest of the day with a stupid grin slapped across my face. Because it was a wagon made it better than an S40 T5 awd. It just did. Same damed car but the V50 is better, because wagons are just better. Once I'm done with the 285 project I'm looking for a Amazon wagon because its just something I have got to have.
|
|
#
?
Dec 8, 2012 03:48
|
|
|
Friar Zucchini posted:Read that as driving 80 miles an hour It wouldn't go over 60 because the clutch was slipping so bad. So yea, I cruised in the slow lane keeping plenty of following distance. I had to plan a really convoluted route through my town to avoid any potential hill stops. I also forgot to mention that the slave cylinder was failing. My garage smelled like well roasted clutch for days.
|
|
#
?
Dec 8, 2012 03:58
|
|
|
I have wood for the new F31. BMW F31 3 Series Wagon   BMW F11 5 Series Wagon 
|
|
#
?
Dec 8, 2012 20:36
|
|
|
Crosspost from the Subaru thread. Just picked it up on Tuesday, already loving it.
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2012 17:03
|
|
|
I've sort of been on the fence about selling my beloved sedan to afford the wagon. But last night I fit EIGHT wheels/tires in the trunk WITHOUT folding the seats down. Yes, oh yes, wagons loving rule.
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2012 17:08
|
|
|
DreamOn13 posted:Crosspost from the Subaru thread. Just picked it up on Tuesday, already loving it. Nice wagon, sir 
|
|
#
?
Dec 14, 2012 18:19
|
|
|
Sockington posted:Nice wagon, sir Thanks. It will show up at your doorstep sometime soon.
|
|
#
?
Dec 15, 2012 00:01
|
|
|
 One of the best-looking wagons out there! Desperately rare... WESTW0OD fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Dec 15, 2012 |
|
#
?
Dec 15, 2012 06:58
|
|
|
WESTW0OD posted:
The 156 Sportswagon (not a REAL wagon) isn't rare at all were I live. They're also pretty much shitboxes for a lot of reasons. Primarily lousy Italian QA. They're also pretty slow. The only non-lovely 156 Sportswagon was the GTA 3.5 Autodelta, but good luck finding that. That's the only really rare 156 wagon. I did test a few used 2002-2005 156 wagons a couple of years ago while shopping for a reliable daily drive to haul poo poo and family. The 159 is a way better car by miles. Best performance and reliability for the buck for used European wagons is hands down the 2002-2004 Peugeot 406 3.0 TS6. They're also a bit rare and non-existing in the US. I got real lucky with mine. Hauls poo poo and family at 140Mph with no issues. I also think they're much better looking than the Alfa 156, but that's of cause subjective. Here it is besides Kozmonauts 406 2.2 TS4 Sedan:   Chilling in its cave:   I really think it's one of the better looking European wagon fronts:  Only real downside is engine-wrenching. There's really no room in there. Took me a solid 3 hours to change coils: 
Sir Cornelius fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Dec 15, 2012 |
|
#
?
Dec 15, 2012 12:16
|
|
|
WESTW0OD posted:
If you want a 156, go for the pre-facelift version. The Twinspark engine may be slightly down on power compared to the later direct-injection JTS engine, but it also doesn't have crippling lubrication faults and it's a proper Alfa engine, not a worked-over Fiat unit. Common for both engines is that they burn oil by design, you literally have to check the oil on every other fillup, no joke. They've got under-piston oil sprayers and all kind of fancy stuff for added cooling, which really gets going under high revs. The Twinspark takes ordinary 10w40 as far as I can remember, which isn't too bad. The JTS needs 10w60, which gets hella expensive hella fast. Rust is also a big issue, especially due to water accumulation under the carpets. It can go completely unnoticed for years until you peel them back and discover the rot. A 156 is a very beautiful car and by all accounts amazing to drive, but it will be an expensive high-maintenance relationship, the facelifted version even more so. This is all straight from an Alfista acquaintance of mine, he's had 3 of them so far and he's got an old Giulia Sprint 1300 that he's restored himself, so his credentials should be in order. He also says that the 159 is not a "proper Alfa" because it's on a GM platform with Opel/GM engines and way too reliable. 
KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Dec 15, 2012 |
|
#
?
Dec 15, 2012 12:59
|
|
|
Last year I hauled the x-mas tree home INSDE MY GOD drat BMW. Yes, it was wrapped, but still Planning to do the same this year. Wagons rule.
|
|
#
?
Dec 15, 2012 13:03
|
|
|
Rnr posted:Last year I hauled the x-mas tree home INSDE MY GOD drat BMW. Yes, it was wrapped, but still Haha, jeg boede engang et par gader fra dig. Ignore the above. Just being a creepy iStalker.
|
|
#
?
Dec 15, 2012 13:13
|
|
|
KozmoNaut posted:If you want a 156, go for the pre-facelift version. The Twinspark engine may be slightly down on power compared to the later direct-injection JTS engine, but it also doesn't have crippling lubrication faults and it's a proper Alfa engine, not a worked-over Fiat unit. Common for both engines is that they burn oil by design, you literally have to check the oil on every other fillup, no joke. They've got -piston oil sprayers and all kind of fancy stuff for added cooling, which really gets going under high revs. I actually own a said Direct Injection, a 2006 JTS 156 in Ti trimmings. Mine is a sedan, which looks great after eight years (rolled out of the factory back in '04) and still even gets a few admiring glances and the occasional creepy wink from guys in expensive clothes. Now, I agree with most of the things you said, and they do also apply to the wagon/sportback which is why I'm going to reiterate and give my personal opinion. Pre-facelift cars are fantastic, they look timeless (although I do prefer the Brera-esque nose of the facelift models) and in V6 flavour they make excellent tourers but compared to a twinspark handeling is compromised as they are heavy at the nose. Pre-facelifters are knocking on a bit though, and my eighteen-year-old, university-student, low socioeconomic self cannot sustain the needs of an old Italian sportscar, hence the reason why I shelled out a little extra cash for a newer model. Power is good. The 2.0L provides ample 'get-up-and-go' for dynamic daily driving, to the point that I actually look forward to getting behind the wheel. But to say it is not a proper Alfa engine is a bit off. For a start it makes the most exquisite noise for a 2litre four, I have never heard anything like it. It give torque low down and lotsa power up high in the rev-range. An absolutely cracking engine even if it has Fiat origins, the boys at Alfa worked wonders with it. And also the fact that cars built after 2003/04 have Bosch electrics means I can sleep at night. As for oil burn. Ohhhhh loarrd! I've used more oil than BP lost in the Gulf of Mexico spill. Well, its not quite that bad, but I do have my head under the bonnet every 700km when the tank runs dry and its time for a fillup. I believe, Alfa 'recommend' running it on 10w50 or 5w50, but going up to 10w60 (as I have done) does mean you get a little longer life out of the oil and it doesn't burn quite as much. I'm not sure what the expense is, as there is no tangible change in power output, so I guess thats a top tip for Alfa newbies! Rust is not an issue for me, personally, but I will acknowledge it. I live in the wonderfully arid state of Western Australia so body/chassis rust is very uncommon. I'm sure as long as the car is kept garaged and washed every other-weekend to keep salt deposits at bay for our friends to the South (or North for you Northern-Hemisphere dwellers) rust could be kept on top of. As a warning, it is surprisingly MORE expensive to own and run an Alfa than it is to run a Camry Over the course of this year, my car owes me less than $2000 in repairs and thats with a 100,000 km major service and belt replacement. Not bad going for the true ultimate driving machine. 
|
|
#
?
Dec 15, 2012 19:03
|
|
|
DreamOn13 posted:Crosspost from the Subaru thread. Just picked it up on Tuesday, already loving it. I'm still not convinced these count as wagons, but it is a way to start the addiction.
|
|
#
?
Dec 15, 2012 22:30
|
|
|
Hey man, if wagons need their own goddamn thread, we'll take anything we can get. As long as it's got a window behind the C-pillar, a back end that's contiguous with the passenger compartment, and the rear window is steeper than less than a 45 degree angle from vertical, it's good. Just as long as it isn't too much of an SUV - I could handle a Venza or current-gen Outback in this thread, or even a Forester, but not, say, a Ford Edge, or a Flex.
Friar Zucchini fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Dec 16, 2012 |
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2012 06:30
|
|
|
Friar Zucchini posted:Hey man, if wagons need their own goddamn thread, we'll take anything we can get. As long as it's got a window behind the C-pillar, a back end that's contiguous with the passenger compartment, and the rear window is steeper than less than a 45 degree angle from vertical, it's good. Have we discussed the original Morris Mini Clubman Estate yet?  By your definitions it's not a Station Wagon. I disagree.
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2012 09:26
|
|
|
My mother had a bright blue one of those ^^^ many happy days were spent wedged in the back listening to that rather distinct engine/gearbox noise whilst drawing things on the steamed up windows... <3
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2012 11:26
|
|
|
Friar Zucchini posted:Hey man, if wagons need their own goddamn thread, we'll take anything we can get. As long as it's got a window behind the C-pillar, a back end that's contiguous with the passenger compartment, and the rear window is steeper than less than a 45 degree angle from vertical, it's good. How can you say the current Forester is a wagon, but not the Flex? I would also argue that the current gen Forester is an SUV at this point.
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2012 13:46
|
|
|
88h88 posted:many happy days were spent wedged in the back listening to that rather distinct engine/gearbox noise whilst drawing things on the steamed up windows... <3 My son will say the same thing about my Subaru wagon. THANKS GROUP-N.
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2012 14:24
|
|
|
nm posted:I'm still not convinced these count as wagons, but it is a way to start the addiction. I don't get how it isn't? Does it need more glass and cargo space for you? No, it's no buick roadmaster but I think it fits the description just fine.
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2012 14:34
|
|
|
Sockington posted:My son will say the same thing about my Subaru wagon.
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2012 16:17
|
|
|
Four Banger posted:How can you say the current Forester is a wagon, but not the Flex? I would also argue that the current gen Forester is an SUV at this point. DreamOn13 posted:I don't get how it isn't? Does it need more glass and cargo space for you? No, it's no buick roadmaster but I think it fits the description just fine. Wagons should have a bit more space behind the rear seat, but at the end of the day, we're few in numbers and will take anyone without a trunk. Sir Cornelius posted:Have we discussed the original Morris Mini Clubman Estate yet? nm fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Dec 16, 2012 |
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2012 20:03
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 29, 2024 06:59 |
|
|
Sir Cornelius posted:Have we discussed the original Morris Mini Clubman Estate yet? Four Banger posted:How can you say the current Forester is a wagon, but not the Flex? I would also argue that the current gen Forester is an SUV at this point. Wagons don't have forward-facing third row seats though, so the Flex is out, but I'm on the fence about the Forester - the first gen was most certainly a wagon, so if anything it's simply a historical classification without any bearing on what it currently is. Which means the current one is an SUV.
|
|
#
?
Dec 16, 2012 21:09
|
|