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Kenishi
Nov 18, 2010
I don't think anything has been done and since I never read the original court ruling in Japanese there may be a stipulation that has a deadline. So they can still use the current districts for this election, but maybe before the next one they can't.

Noda wants to get an agreement on the TPP before leaving office but I don't think its coming. The US and Obama realize that Noda and the DPJ's status is very unstable and they've basically taken a "wait and see stance" on letting Japan into talks.

The biggest players are the agriculture lobbyists who are vehemently against the TPP for obvious reasons (There's like 400% tariff on imported rice). The US players that are against it are actually the automotive industry. They want artificial bars removed which stop the US car companies from getting a foothold in Japan; before they remove tariffs on Japanese light trucks (think Kei cars) which have a 20% tariff on them as I recall.

I'm doubtful that Japan will get in on the TPP; doubly so if the LDP comes to power. Removal on tariffs for the agricultural sector would tank the incredibly fragile market.

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Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK

Kenishi posted:

The biggest players are the agriculture lobbyists who are vehemently against the TPP for obvious reasons (There's like 400% tariff on imported rice). The US players that are against it are actually the automotive industry. They want artificial bars removed which stop the US car companies from getting a foothold in Japan; before they remove tariffs on Japanese light trucks (think Kei cars) which have a 20% tariff on them as I recall.

I thought it was something really amazing like 666% or 777%?

Again, I wonder how they reconcile the ideas of "We Japanese prefer Japanese rice because it's the only sort that suits our palate, therefore we will only eat Japanese rice" and "We need to protect our domestic rice industry from the foreign juggernaut by preventing imports".

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:

Weatherman posted:

I thought it was something really amazing like 666% or 777%?

Again, I wonder how they reconcile the ideas of "We Japanese prefer Japanese rice because it's the only sort that suits our palate, therefore we will only eat Japanese rice" and "We need to protect our domestic rice industry from the foreign juggernaut by preventing imports".

I haven't heard any Japanese people really articulate both view points at the same time. There's also not as much reconciled there as it first seems.

The argument I've heard from Japanese people is that Japanese rice is higher quality, but they worry people may end up deciding with their wallet in the end. They usually say that they themselves will continue to buy Japanese rice, but that they worry others will give into the cheap prices.

There's also more to the issue than protectionist policies to benefit farmers. Japan, as an island nation, is more concerned with self-sufficiency and sustainability than most other countries. The thing a lot of people who are critical of TPP are concerned about is not the first impact on Japanese farmers, but the effects down the road of Japan becoming over-reliant on cheap imports of staple foods. They don't want staples to be up to the whim of foreign markets and currency fluctuations.

Had Japan become dependent on cheap overseas rice prior to 2008 things could have gotten real bad when the rice shortage happened across the rest of Asia. There are reasons beyond jingoism to advocate for the protection of the domestic rice market.

Protocol 5
Sep 23, 2004

"I can't wait until cancer inevitably chokes the life out of Curt Schilling."
Well, Japan simply doesn't have enough arable land to provide enough food to sustain its current population with the majority of that land being used for wet rice cultivation. Actual food self-sufficiency would require major changes in the use of arable land and diet. You have 140M people give or take in the roughly the same land area as California with significantly less arable land, so using the majority of it for a nutrient-poor staple like polished white rice is a non-starter if self-sufficiency is your goal.

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

Kenishi posted:

The biggest players are the agriculture lobbyists who are vehemently against the TPP for obvious reasons (There's like 400% tariff on imported rice). The US players that are against it are actually the automotive industry. They want artificial bars removed which stop the US car companies from getting a foothold in Japan; before they remove tariffs on Japanese light trucks (think Kei cars) which have a 20% tariff on them as I recall.

I don't think the tariff is what is holding kei cars back: the speed limits are too high in America and they would perform very poorly in crash-tests (especially considering the size of other vehicles on the road).

Kenishi
Nov 18, 2010
Kei cars are a city/urban vehicle, not a highway vehicle. That said, I think the kei trucks would be the most profitable of the two since they are generally what I imagine a truck would be. I've always felt US trucks were too over the top and beyond the point of utility. Kei vehicles would never pass crash tests though.

Irishdrunk
Sep 17, 2004

Take that 4th Wall!!
So it looks like Japan is gradually ramping up their regional foreign military exchanges. Considering the geographical make up of East Asia, pumping more funds into training Coast Guards is a good security issue to work on. Pretty interesting news if Japan actually goes ahead with selling naval equipment (Cutters or even the diesel subs) to Vietnam. Granted it has been quite a few decades since they made their last point, but if there is any SEA military to keep anti-Chinese it would be the Vietnamese.



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/27/world/asia/japan-expands-its-regional-military-role.html?pagewanted=1&hp

CronoGamer
May 15, 2004

why did this happen
Ahhh, what would a week be without Ishihara popping up with some more fiery rhetoric?

http://www.japantoday.com/category/politics/view/ishihara-calls-for-nuclear-armed-japan

Irishdrunk posted:

So it looks like Japan is gradually ramping up their regional foreign military exchanges. Considering the geographical make up of East Asia, pumping more funds into training Coast Guards is a good security issue to work on. Pretty interesting news if Japan actually goes ahead with selling naval equipment (Cutters or even the diesel subs) to Vietnam. Granted it has been quite a few decades since they made their last point, but if there is any SEA military to keep anti-Chinese it would be the Vietnamese.



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/27/world/asia/japan-expands-its-regional-military-role.html?pagewanted=1&hp

You think? I would argue that the Vietnamese are pretty pissed already at China for the Paracels; while it's good to have the Vietnamese on your side, I'd think making sure Indonesia was on board would be the number one priority in SE Asia...

NicelyNice
Feb 13, 2004

citrus
Just braved a light blizzard to see Hashimoto give a campaign speech for the JRP



He's still a bit off of the deep end on some topics, but at least he seems serious about representing change. Shame he had to align with Ishihara

Protocol 5
Sep 23, 2004

"I can't wait until cancer inevitably chokes the life out of Curt Schilling."
Frankly, they sound like a bunch of wing nuts to me. Putting Ishihara in the forefront sends a very clear message. Sure they'd change stuff, but they'd almost all be changes for the worse, especially for non-Japanese residents.

Shinobo
Dec 4, 2002

CronoGamer posted:

Has there been any more development on this? With elections coming up in like ~3 weeks, how will that work? Will they just use the old districts/system until a new electoral process is worked out, and basically say "lol gently caress you" to the Supreme Court?

Noda and the LDP agreed to actually reduce the number of seats by 5 in order to comply with the ruling, so it's not like the government is going "lol f u" or anything. But reducing those seats and changing around the election mechanics does take time so it won't be ready in time for the 12/16 election. They'll use the old system and then work the new one out later.

Kenishi
Nov 18, 2010
So I was reading the prefectural newspaper today and they had an article where they went and asked different industries what their feelings on the TPP was. The one that had me the most confused was the health industry. They said:

quote:

TPP加われば、保険適用の診断と適用外の自由医療を受けられ、日本が世界に誇られる国民皆保険を守ろう。
If I'm following it alright, it sounds like they are basically saying/implying "People will able to go for outside treatment/diagnosis, and it will destroy or renowned insurance! Oh no!" Which sounds pretty funny to me. This is the first I heard about healthcare being factored into reasons why not to join the TPP; are they really that protected of an industry in Japan?

Protocol 5
Sep 23, 2004

"I can't wait until cancer inevitably chokes the life out of Curt Schilling."
It's more like, "If we do join the TPP, let's protect our excellent national health insurance that allows us to freely receive treatment both for conditions that are diagnosed as covered by insurance and those that aren't."

I don't have any contacts in the healthcare industry, but from what I know about the TPP, it doesn't sound like it would have much of an impact on the health insurance system, since it mainly focuses on intellectual property rights.

Kenishi
Nov 18, 2010

Protocol 5 posted:

I don't have any contacts in the healthcare industry, but from what I know about the TPP, it doesn't sound like it would have much of an impact on the health insurance system, since it mainly focuses on intellectual property rights.
Huh? IP rights? Are you sure you you're not mixing something else up? The TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) is a free trade agreement that sets out to remove trade tariffs between countries that join. I haven't heard anything really concerning IP rights in the talks.

Protocol 5
Sep 23, 2004

"I can't wait until cancer inevitably chokes the life out of Curt Schilling."
Nope, I was talking specifically about how it would affect healthcare in Japan. It wouldn't have any effect on healthcare or health insurance providers except within the realm of patented drugs, etc, and Japan doesn't have public health problems anywhere near the scale of, say, HIV infection rates in Thailand. The IP protection provisions are one of the major sources of resistance within less affluent countries considering membership, mainly because they are worried about pharmaceutical companies throwing their weight around and the way they have in Africa. There's also some potential for increased restrictions on free speech, but that's not really germane to healthcare.

CronoGamer
May 15, 2004

why did this happen

Kenishi posted:

Huh? IP rights? Are you sure you you're not mixing something else up? The TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) is a free trade agreement that sets out to remove trade tariffs between countries that join. I haven't heard anything really concerning IP rights in the talks.

The USTR has put HUGE emphasis on the IP portions of the TPP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Strategic_Economic_Partnership#Intellectual_property_provisions

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK

Kenishi posted:

Huh? IP rights? Are you sure you you're not mixing something else up? The TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) is a free trade agreement that sets out to remove trade tariffs between countries that join. I haven't heard anything really concerning IP rights in the talks.

Are you sure, though? Because every time "free trade agreement" gets suggested to Australia by the US, it's mostly "you freely remove all your tariffs and implement all our anal-raping intellectual property laws, and we'll continue to trade with you".

"Free trade" agreement is an absolute misnomer, and I'm quite confident the US is jamming the same sort of thing in the TPP as well.

Kenishi
Nov 18, 2010
The Wiki seems to suggest that originally it was conceived by New Zealand and Singapore and later added the US. But the IP stuff definitely appears to have been rammed through by the US according to the wiki. Some of this stuff is pretty ridiculous.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug
I guess the Tokyo governor's race still has mandatory TV time for all candidates, and still has candidates like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnxqMZkuAQs

Mac Akasaka of the Smile Party requests your vote!

edit: actually I can't tell if he wants your vote or not, he just wants you to smile and take your attitude from NEGATIVE to POSITIVE!

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Dec 7, 2012

Kenishi
Nov 18, 2010
I think its just a way for him to get on TV and get attention. There's no way he is seriously pursuing votes.

On a different note. In my prefecture one of the district's LDP runner is coming down on the side of wanting to reform Article 9 which. This has me wondering if the LDP is aiming for Article 9 reform as a party or if its just the usually internal faction stuff. I hear they (and by they, I mean Abe) caused a bit of a ruckus by stating they wanted to increase the reactor count in Japan. Many weren't too happy about that, but according to the polls in my prefecture the LDP is winning by a pretty decent margin in every district.

CronoGamer
May 15, 2004

why did this happen

Kenishi posted:

I hear they (and by they, I mean Abe) caused a bit of a ruckus by stating they wanted to increase the reactor count in Japan. Many weren't too happy about that

By reactor count, do you mean nuke power plants? 'cause if so, I sure as hell hope they do. The sooner people get over this bullshit knee-jerk reaction to Fukushima, the better.

MaterialConceptual
Jan 18, 2011

"It is rather that precisely in that which is newest the face of the world never alters, that this newest remains, in every aspect, the same. - This constitutes the eternity of hell."

-Walter Benjamin, "The Arcades Project"

Samurai Sanders posted:

I guess the Tokyo governor's race still has mandatory TV time for all candidates, and still has candidates like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnxqMZkuAQs

Mac Akasaka of the Smile Party requests your vote!

edit: actually I can't tell if he wants your vote or not, he just wants you to smile and take your attitude from NEGATIVE to POSITIVE!

Well this is about what I'd expect from a graduate of my university...

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Posted on a friend's Facebook:

quote:

Japan is having an election on the 16th. Here's the rundown on what's happening:

Democratic Party of Japan民主党: The ruling government, an unholy coalition of evil cultural socialists, corrupt oligarchs, and nutty futurists, which has spectacularly fallen apart. Only the evil cultural socialists remain, so this party is no longer able to form a government on its own. Likely to implode. The media loves them, though.

Liberal Democratic Party自民党: Liberal conservatives, AKA まだまし, and soon to be the ruling government again. You may remember their leader, Shinzō Abe, because he was Prime Minister in 2006 and there are still posters cheering him on in Akihabara. To be joined by the left-wing religious party Komeito.

Tomorrow Party 未来の党: Brand new party formed November 28. The official party of stupid, combining the corrupt oligarchs, nutty futurists, and the former "Tax Cuts Japan - Oppose TPP - Zero Nuclear Party" (no joke). Recently held a broadly advertised poll on their website to determine the WILL OF THE PEOPLE, and closed it after only 24 hours when it was clear the people didn't like their party's policies.

Japan Restoration Party 日本維新の会: Brand new party formed in November by loudmouth Tokyo and Osaka governors. The go-to party for ideologues who think they are much more important than they really are.

Your Party みんなの党: Originally a reform party but in this past election cycle they seem to have forgotten what they wanted to reform.

Communist Party, Social Democratic Party: Old hippies. Both bound to get seats, bound to have no influence on anything.

Happiness Realization Party: THE OFFICIAL PARTY OF HAPPINESS

Notice how there is no truly conservative party.

:allears:

I Love Annie May
Oct 10, 2012
Look at the bright side, at least this friend of yours probably won't vote in this election, or is there someone worse running?

Also, this is incredibly funny, because my Japanese professor, when we were discussing about Japanese politics, told me that the left in Japan doesn't, or at least there's no leftist party being relevant enough to make a difference or shake the stagnating nursing home known as Japanese Diet.

I Love Annie May fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Dec 14, 2012

Kenishi
Nov 18, 2010

I Love Annie May posted:

the stagnating nursing home known as Japanese Diet.
I realize its a pretty common image that Japan's government is nothing but olds, but if you compare it to the US for example, the average age is pretty equal. In 2009, the average politician age in Japan was around 52, the US's median average is 50. According to the chart too, the average age has been creeping down in the Diet as well; it use to be higher in the 1990s. They could still use some younger blood in the Diet.

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008

I Love Annie May posted:

Look at the bright side, at least this friend of yours probably won't vote in this election, or is there someone worse running?

Also, this is incredibly funny, because my Japanese professor, when we were discussing about Japanese politics, told me that the left in Japan doesn't, or at least there's no leftist party being relevant enough to make a difference or shake the stagnating nursing home known as Japanese Diet.

Yep, the two main parties have always been pretty similar in their views, and now they've both drifted a bit right. Like you say there's not really a relevant leftist party in Japan.

MaterialConceptual
Jan 18, 2011

"It is rather that precisely in that which is newest the face of the world never alters, that this newest remains, in every aspect, the same. - This constitutes the eternity of hell."

-Walter Benjamin, "The Arcades Project"
The left parties in Japan aren't so bad (They more or less articulate what the demands of the popular movements are today), but they are considered basically irrelevant. I suppose if they were to merge they might have slightly more clout, but I can't really see that happening (even though their platforms are very similar).

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

Pollyanna posted:

Posted on a friend's Facebook:


:allears:

Haha, holy poo poo. Is your friend some kind of Right-Wing joke or something?
I can't stop laughing at "Evil Cultural Socialists"! Ahaha, socialists in Japan...

DeepSpaceBeans
Nov 2, 2005

Let's build us a happy, little cloud that floats around the sky.

Deceitful Penguin posted:

Haha, holy poo poo. Is your friend some kind of Right-Wing joke or something?
I can't stop laughing at "Evil Cultural Socialists"! Ahaha, socialists in Japan...

If it wasn't for the unhealthy love affair with north Korea some of their leadership has, I 'd probably throw my hat in with the SDP. But Jesus Christ if they don't go out of their way to drive away potential allies.

edit:
vvvvvvvvvvvvvv

oh gently caress me, thanks for noticing, I hope that wasn't some sort of Freudian slip. Though the JCP is not entirely disagreeable in many of their socialist non-revolutionary policies, I really don't fancy any more copies of the Spartacist newsletter.

DeepSpaceBeans fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Dec 16, 2012

MaterialConceptual
Jan 18, 2011

"It is rather that precisely in that which is newest the face of the world never alters, that this newest remains, in every aspect, the same. - This constitutes the eternity of hell."

-Walter Benjamin, "The Arcades Project"

DeepSpaceBeans posted:

If it wasn't for the unhealthy love affair with north Korea some of their leadership has, I 'd probably throw my hat in with the communists. But Jesus Christ if they don't go out of their way to drive away potential allies.

I think you have the Social Democrats (社民党) in mind?

Navaash
Aug 15, 2001

FEED ME


Results are in, LDP/Komeito took 326 of the 480 seats, giving them the outright majority with no other coalition needed.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!

(unless the TV is lying to me and it's pure speculation)

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:
That's still speculation, but they'll easily cruise past 240 according to all the actually solid returns I'm seeing on TV/online. LDP/Komeito is anywhere between 230-260 right now depending on where you look.

A sexy submarine
Jun 12, 2011
Its difficult to apply a traditional left-right identity on Japanese political parties. The LDP for example are very pro-stimulus and Keynesian-style economics is traditionally associated with the left in the West.

Both main parties are becoming more hawkish in terms of their approaches to regional politics, but to be honest considering what's been happening in Korea and China, not to do so would be out of step with the rest of the country.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug
Back to the LDP and Abe again eh...

It's like I never left.

Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral
Looks like LDP/Komeito are officially over the 320-seat mark, according to the Asahi. Shinzo Abe with a parliamentary super-majority, 5 years after he was turfed out with approval ratings of sub 20%. This loving electoral system.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Apraxin posted:

Looks like LDP/Komeito are officially over the 320-seat mark, according to the Asahi. Shinzo Abe with a parliamentary super-majority, 5 years after he was turfed out with approval ratings of sub 20%. This loving electoral system.

Is this just a reflection of the fact that they basically have to vote for either the LDP or DPJ, or does he have actual support?

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug
By the way, does anyone know why Komeito is called NEW Komeito in English, but just in English? Looking at the Wikipedia page, it was indeed reformed once, but they didn't change the Japanese name really, just their own English name for the party. Hell, the Japanese version of the page says "公明党 New Komeito" right on it.

edit: wait I'm confused, according to this, Naoto Kan lost his seat but then...didn't? Frankly I don't understand why, that proportional representation part of their election system is something I haven't fully grasped.

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Dec 16, 2012

Morton Salt Grrl
Sep 2, 2011

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
FRESH BLOOD


May their memory be a justification for genocide
Any word on when they're going to stop covering the countryside in concrete? That might save a few bucks.

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK

Teddles posted:

Any word on when they're going to stop covering the countryside in concrete? That might save a few bucks.

Now that the LDP's back in, they're going to put the accelerator of the concrete-pouring machine to the floor, so no time soon, I expect.

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Morton Salt Grrl
Sep 2, 2011

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
FRESH BLOOD


May their memory be a justification for genocide

Weatherman posted:

Now that the LDP's back in, they're going to put the accelerator of the concrete-pouring machine to the floor, so no time soon, I expect.

I thought as much :smithicide:

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