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Business Gorillas posted:Wouldn't that just make their white christian victimhood go nuclear? They'd actually have something to complain about if those socialist nazi lieburals were making fun of them. Thing is, either way they'll complain, whine, become more shrill and insular as America "slips away from them". They're bullies. They bank on "socialist nazi lieburals" to sort of smirk quietly to themselves and allow their slander to continue unabated. Satire is lost on them, actual refutations of their positions (which treats them like the reasonable adults they aren't) miss the point, so the next step is shaming and ostracism. The high road only seems preferable when people aren't actually taking them seriously, IMO. For ex - it did not sit well with me when NPR ran a segment on Dinesh D'Souza where they tepidly danced around how his movie was little more than a concoction of vicious lies. You end up with Neal Conen replying with little better than "...but that isn't actually true, is it?" to someone everyone in the room knows came to the show to peddle calculated fabrications and plug his idiotic propaganda film. Why give them a platform if you do not even permit yourself to show that you see through someone like that?
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Joementum posted:Alex Jones cranks out three hours every day! And Drudge is back to linking to Jones.  And that Murdoch quote is odd... https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/279759365328732161
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Sir Tonk posted:And Drudge is back to linking to Jones. Chances it will mention that of the 22 slashed kids in China, not one is dead or cripplingly injured?
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colonelslime posted:Chances it will mention that of the 22 slashed kids in China, not one is dead or cripplingly injured? I've been trolling the gun nuts on my FB with that story since yesterday. Simply posting it without comment has been enough to send two on an extended rant.
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watt par posted:All anyone needs to know about Hucklebee is when he, a Baptist minister, and a rather sanctimonious one at that which is a herculean feat, went on the Daily Show and completely poo poo on the single core tenet of his so-called faith in the process of trying to argue why he's not a giant anthropomorphic sack of feces. He has absolutely zero core beliefs beyond self-aggrandizement. Lets not forget Mike Huckabee is directly responsible for the deaths of four cops.
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Dec 15, 2012 18:26
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I set some ominous music behind Alex Jones awhile back and I think it works pretty well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RV4xrcqfo4
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OG KUSH BLUNTS posted:Lets not forget Mike Huckabee is directly responsible for the deaths of four cops. Wait, what? What is this? Much like 'Allen West is a War Criminal' I sense a story so horrible that I need to know this one.
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Night10194 posted:Wait, what? What is this? Much like 'Allen West is a War Criminal' I sense a story so horrible that I need to know this one. Huckabee pardoned a hardened criminal by the name of Maurice Clemons. Clemons basically returned to a life of crime, including beating up a cop and molesting 11 and 12-year old relatives. In November of 2009 he walked into a coffee shop and shot four cops dead in cold blood. Clemons escaped with the help of an accomplice, but one of the officers lived long enough to put a bullet in Clemons' stomach. Clemons stole a car and hid out for a couple of days, but was in a bad way owing to the bullet in his gut. He was eventually found and shot while trying to escape, he died a day later.
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Israel, a country that is at once in constant peril of destruction by the Muslim hordes and at the same time a peaceful utopia because citizens can freely carry weapons depending upon how conservatives wish to present it.
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Sean Archer posted:This just popped up on my FB feed:
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Also "not socialist" despite universal healthcare, women and gays in the military, sorta-kinda gay marriage...
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Alex Jones in 15 seconds. I don't care when this was last posted, it can always be seen again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR2UXmTGK4M
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You posted the wrong one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhqUk28OwHs
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Forgall posted:Also "not socialist" despite universal healthcare, women and gays in the military, sorta-kinda gay marriage... Guns negate all socialism. They're like kryptonite to socialism.
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Phone posted:You posted the wrong one: Jones is so awesome. He's been do this for so long and just keeps going. I wish I knew someone with a black UH-60, I'd totally get a group together and dress them in all back military gear then go to Jones' house and kidnap him then dump him in Beaumont or something after 'interrogating' him for awhile. He'd be so much more entertaining if something actually happened to him.
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Business Gorillas posted:Wouldn't that just make their white christian victimhood go nuclear? They'd actually have something to complain about if those socialist nazi lieburals were making fun of them. Maybe, but the left might as well do some of what it's already being accused of, especially since it might regain some lost ground in the process by actually showing a spine instead of retreating to academia and bickering with itself.
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Ever since a poset pointed out that Richard "tricky dick" Nixon is a liberal by the current climate. I think the current left is just the old right and the current right....well gently caress I dont know what they are. I actually have had luck framing poo poo as "well I am not liberal I am old school conservative" I try to argue to them that their party as had a long lingering infection of crack pots and self servers, and thats why we lost the election hell the fact bob dole tried to tell his party it was okay to ratify a treating affirming the ADA and they saw this as a chance to play to the nut cases rather then go "people say we have no compassion for the disabled thats a filthy we ratified this treaty so its proof we have a heart" etc
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max4me posted:Ever since a poset pointed out that Richard "tricky dick" Nixon is a liberal by the current climate. The United States has constantly refused to sign off on no-brainer UN resolutions like those pertaining to the rights of a child, ect. Basically, they're saying "We definitely aren't torturing children, but we want to reserve the right to torture children in case we get caught not-child-torturing in our CIA prisons which definitely don't exist!" Also, Israel often sided with America against these resolutions as well. There's an animated gif of them that I see from time to time, but I can't seem to find it.
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Crasscrab posted:Guns negate all socialism. They're like kryptonite to socialism. What happens if you have a socialist gun owner.
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OMG JC a Bomb! posted:The United States has constantly refused to sign off on no-brainer UN resolutions like those pertaining to the rights of a child, ect. Basically, they're saying "We definitely aren't torturing children, but we want to reserve the right to torture children in case we get caught not-child-torturing in our CIA prisons which definitely don't exist!" Also, Israel often sided with America against these resolutions as well. There's an animated gif of them that I see from time to time, but I can't seem to find it. 
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The "Convention on Consent to Marriage, Minimum Age for Marriage and Registration of Marriages" can't be entered into by the United States as the right to determine at what age people can get married is held to be a state thing. Also only 55 countries have signed on to it so it doesn't really belong in there, surely there was a better one to fit. Though the funny thing is most of the countries that did sign on tend to have lower acceptable ages than the majority of US states.
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As soon as we sign a symbolic resolution against child prostitution you can expect the UN quarter their massive army in our homes, steal our guns, and burn down our churches.
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Sean Archer posted:This just popped up on my FB feed: I'm seeing a variation of that titled 'LIBERAL LOGIC' loving everywhere on facebook, along with lots of anger directed at those teachers for not being responsible and having concealed weapons on them. The attitude is I guess "crazed gunmen are like the weather, not expecting them at any moment is negligence." Completely unrelatedly, I am weirdly mad at all kinds of people.
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A lot of people simply refuse to believe that life isn't like an action movie where a "good guy" with a gun is immediately distinguishable as such to the authorities, and a "bad guy" with a gun can be easily and quickly dispatched by said good guy. Conservatives in general are big fans of magical thinking and delusion when it comes to guns.
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Apparently conservatives envy Israeli citizens living in constant fear of terroristic violence. I guess because it keeps them "sharp" and always prepared. If only Americans were that tightly wound and ready to shoot, it would be so much safer.
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beatlegs posted:Apparently conservatives envy Israeli citizens living in constant fear of terroristic violence. I guess because it keeps them "sharp" and always prepared. If only Americans were that tightly wound and ready to shoot, it would be so much safer. It fits the Fascist narrative; having an unrelenting enemy that only the purest, most courageous of our citizens are prepared to engage.
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OG KUSH BLUNTS posted:Lets not forget Mike Huckabee is directly responsible for the deaths of four cops. That's more than a little bit of a stretch, I think.
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It's terrifying that the current GOP makes me long for the halcyon days of the neo-cons being their biggest influence. At least the neo-cons at the top know and admit that it's all bullshit. When your party makes Bill Kristol seem reasonable, something has gone very wrong.
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OG KUSH BLUNTS posted:Lets not forget Mike Huckabee is directly responsible for the deaths of four cops. In the exact same way Michael Dukakis is responsible for Willy Horton
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Bathtub Cheese posted:I think more simple, corrective viciousness from the left aimed at these clowns could be effective (and 100% warranted), ironic calls for terrorist attacks notwithstanding. Factual refutations require far too much effort and miss the point of the type of rhetoric they engage in. There's very little else to be done with people whose entire political world view is framed as a media empire of manufactured outrage, racist resentment, insularity etc. It's certainly preferable to having their perspectives entertained as part of the mainstream discourse. I'm completely willing to engage the right-wing aggressively and viciously, but I think we should only do so in ways that help us. Making 9/11 metaphorical "jokes" doesn't really help us, I don't think. quote:What happens if you have a socialist gun owner. Viva La Revolution!  quote:It fits the Fascist narrative; having an unrelenting enemy that only the purest, most courageous of our citizens are prepared to engage. I.e. the Soviet Union, circa. 1945-1992. quote:It's terrifying that the current GOP makes me long for the halcyon days of the neo-cons being their biggest influence. At least the neo-cons at the top know and admit that it's all bullshit. No way. You can't seriously believe that Cheney didn't think every single thing he did was exactly right and completely buys into his bullshit. Sure, he might not be quite the same brand of crazy as Glenn Beck or Ron Paul, but his brand of crazy is so much worse all the same.
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beatlegs posted:Apparently conservatives envy Israeli citizens living in constant fear of terroristic violence. I guess because it keeps them "sharp" and always prepared. If only Americans were that tightly wound and ready to shoot, it would be so much safer. It's the same with immigration, too, for some reason. I've seen posts on Facebook to the effect of, "Okay, let me get this straight, if you're an illegal alien in Afghanistan, you go to jail. If you're an alien in Iran, you get shot. If you're an alien in North Korea, you're never heard from again. But if you're an alien in America you get free housing, free health care, free education and a job. How does any of this make sense?" Because, you know, America should really follow the example of brutal dictatorships. 
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It makes sense because people seriously think that Obama "stole" the election and is now some de facto dictator for life.
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beatlegs posted:So we've seen the rate at which Republicans have descended into craziness over the last few years. What's it going to be like in another 4-6 years? Are they going to become even more extreme, or will they hit a wall of some sort? The spin will get faster and faster until we reach a solid energy structure, that then collapses into the Wingnut Singularity, a point in space-time so dense not even truth can escape it.
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beatlegs posted:So we've seen the rate at which Republicans have descended into craziness over the last few years. What's it going to be like in another 4-6 years? Are they going to become even more extreme, or will they hit a wall of some sort? Chear up. It's the Dominionists next! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism quote:Dominion Theology is a grouping of theological systems with the common belief that the law of God, as codified in the Bible, should exclusively govern society, to the exclusion of secular law, a view also known as theonomy. The most prominent modern formulation of Dominion Theology is Christian Reconstructionism, founded by R. J. Rushdoony in the 1970s. Reconstructionists themselves use the word dominionism to refer to their belief that Christians alone should control civil government, conducting it according to Biblical law. Twisted Perspective fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Dec 16, 2012 |
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Twisted Perspective posted:Chear up. It's the Dominionists next! So Michele Bachmann is winning the nomination in 2016?
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ThirdPartyView posted:So Michele Bachmann is winning the nomination in 2016? I'd bet on Rick Santorum. I did read a story recently that if it hadn't been for vote rigging in the primaries he would have won the nomination for 2012 instead of Mitt Romney.
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