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W.T. Fits posted:Quest-related question: I'm at the point where the December dungeon is available to me, but before I go and clear it, I wanted to head back and get some quest items from the older dungeons. I'm currently running around floors 7 and 8 of the September dungeon, and I can't get the Branch Headbands to drop from the Elegant Mothers. Is it not dropping because I'm in December, or is it just an obscenely low drop rate to begin with (which is unusual when it comes to Quest items)? The twins (who requested it) move away after the rainy days in November. So basically it's not dropping because you can't complete it anymore. I'm also pretty sure the quests from the twins are the only ones with time limits, too. There's actually a pretty decent, if incomplete, quest guide for Golden on Gamefaqs, if you want something for future reference. Strange Quark fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Dec 17, 2012 |
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Strange Quark posted:The twins (who requested it) move away after the rainy days in November. So basically it's not dropping because you can't complete it anymore. Bleh. Figured it might be something like that. Oh well, on to the November dungeon, then.
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Dec 17, 2012 23:45
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Nate RFB posted:It's actually getting really interesting. I basically have December and January to get 3 levels for Strength, 1 level for Sun, 2 levels for Death, 9 levels for Hanged Man, and 9 levels for Moon (not too hard to see which links I ignored). I think I stand a good chance of maxing all of them out. Pretty certain you won't be able to pull all of those off, I think Strength and Sun are gonna screw you up. Hanged Man is actually super easy to raise because it's available 5 days a week, Death is easy because not much else is available on Sundays, but Strength/Sun/Moon are all 3 days each and have a fair bit of crossover. You MIGHT be able to do it. I was in a similar spot in December with Hanged, Moon, and Temperance left to go (and Temperance sucks, seriously. There's like 3-4 levels which need an additional boost past the Link conversation to push to the next level) and just barely finished in time. I'd say prioritize Moon -> Sun -> Strength -> Hanged and hope when the first 3 are done you still have 2 weeks left to power through the last one. Might have to savescum some nice shrine results at night, too.
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Dec 18, 2012 00:05
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Two questions since I'm almost done with P4: 1. Would watching the anime after playing the game feel like watching the movie after reading the book? 2. Is Persona 3 different enough story wise that I wouldn't feel like I'm rehashing the same plot over again ?
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Dec 18, 2012 00:10
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Mouser.. posted:Two questions since I'm almost done with P4: Persona 3 and 4 have very little in common plot wise.
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Dec 18, 2012 00:11
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Mouser.. posted:Two questions since I'm almost done with P4: gently caress yeah it's different. It's more Lovecraftian jRPG horror to this Anime Murder Mystery game.
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Dec 18, 2012 00:11
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Mouser.. posted:Two questions since I'm almost done with P4: 1. Somewhat, but it's still pretty enjoyable to watch, especially given that they give the main character a distinct personality of his own. 2. Yes, though the Social Links aren't as well-written as they are in Persona 4.
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Dec 18, 2012 00:13
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Mouser.. posted:Two questions since I'm almost done with P4: Persona 3 is definitely different enough story wise. The small town mystery is replaced by a rash of depression leading to the end of the world. It's also a bit more "anime" story wise, for better or worse. I do highly recommend P3P because it keeps the gameplay improvements from 4 that will make it a pain going back otherwise. Also because you can play as a lady and she has the best social links.
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Dec 18, 2012 00:13
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Persona 3 isn't as well written as Persona 4 in general, but it's still a good game. Edit: Also FES is the definitive version death to the P3P infidels
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Dec 18, 2012 00:14
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Meiteron posted:I was in a similar spot in December with Hanged, Moon, and Temperance left to go (and Temperance sucks, seriously. There's like 3-4 levels which need an additional boost past the Link conversation to push to the next level) and just barely finished in time.
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Dec 18, 2012 00:14
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Captain Oblivious posted:Edit: Also FES is the definitive version death to the P3P infidels Boss is at 10 hp. Your party member decides to heal himself instead of attacking. Boss kills everyone in a single attack next turn. I do miss walking around, though.
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Dec 18, 2012 00:39
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nerdz posted:Boss is at 10 hp. Your party member decides to heal himself instead of attacking. Boss kills everyone in a single attack next turn. Come on, now, that would never happen. Mitsuru would try to charm the boss instead.  I'd say the real reason FES is debatably the definitive version is that it still has the cutscenes. Those are pretty important.
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Dec 18, 2012 00:41
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Captain Oblivious posted:Edit: Also FES is the definitive version death to the P3P infidels P3P girl mode for the win.
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King of Solomon posted:Come on, now, that would never happen. You say that but I did manage to charm a boss in FES. That one who eats its minions, if he eats a charmed minion he becomes charmed himself.
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Dec 18, 2012 00:44
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nerdz posted:You say that but I did manage to charm a boss in FES. That one who eats its minions, if he eats a charmed minion he becomes charmed himself. That's hilarious. I didn't know that was possible.
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Dec 18, 2012 00:44
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I like the actual plot and premise of P3 more, but I think 4 has better characters and dialog. No reason not to play both though.
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Dec 18, 2012 00:47
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nerdz posted:You say that but I did manage to charm a boss in FES. That one who eats its minions, if he eats a charmed minion he becomes charmed himself. That works in Strange Journey, too, and is probably the easiest way to beat that boss. I guess it's just a SMT gimmick. I didn't know about it in FES.
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P3P was my first foray into the SMT series, and it's my favorite of the Persona spin-offs. I also prefer it over FES, mostly for the fact that you have control over your team-mates. You do lose the anime cut-scenes and the Answer, so you should watch the cut-scenes on youtube or something as you play the game. Honestly, the Answer isn't that great. It's pretty much JUST dungeon crawling, so I'd recommend watching the cut-scenes of that on Youtube after you beat the game. Of course, if you don't mind CPU-controlled team-mates or The Answer, then by all-means, FES is for you. Also, keep in mind that P3 has a much different "flavor" than P4. The easiest way to describe this is by the color-pallets, which support their respective games very well. P4 uses bright yellows and reds, which supports the general pop feeling it has. P3 used dark blues and greens, which supports the mellowness and somewhat gloomy atmosphere it has.
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Dec 18, 2012 01:01
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Snix posted:P3P was my first foray into the SMT series, and it's my favorite of the Persona spin-offs. I also prefer it over FES, mostly for the fact that you have control over your team-mates. You do lose the anime cut-scenes and the Answer, so you should watch the cut-scenes on youtube or something as you play the game. Honestly, the Answer isn't that great. It's pretty much JUST dungeon crawling, so I'd recommend watching the cut-scenes of that on Youtube after you beat the game. Of course, if you don't mind CPU-controlled team-mates or The Answer, then by all-means, FES is for you. The Answer is just bad and should be ignored.
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Dec 18, 2012 01:02
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I'll be getting P4G and a Vita by Christmas so I'm looking forward to that a whole lot. I've beaten the original P4 once already and I want to see all the new stuff. As for P3, it's plot is a lot more morbid and depressing. That and it has the whole 'shoot-yourself-in-the-head' thing that was pretty controversial. P4 and P3 are nothing alike plot wise, but gameplay wise they are almost identical, except for the Tartarus as opposed to dungeons. P3P is the best version to get, as you can control your party members (not possible in FES) and you can play as the female protag with new social links. Also, Persona 2 is a very good game as well, and it's available on the PSP so it wouldn't hurt to check that out if you have money to burn.
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P3 feels like an experimental sort of game, where the ideas used by both games are clearly in their unrefined stages. Also the plot, for however "dark" it is, tries so hard despite being completely ridiculous that it just winds up feeling really cheesy. I guess I would say that while P3 is technically a gloomier story and thus more MegaTen-like, the writing quality is so much worse than P4 I just don't think it really matters. And this is without even touching the gameplay differences.
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In a lot of ways the writing of Persona 4 was much more improved, and the characterizations were a lot better. However, I'm kind of trying to say it would be a good idea to try P3 if you really enjoyed P4. The plot is ridiculous in a lot of ways, but it was kind of like Atlus stepping in the waters in an attempt to make a successful JRPG/simulation game. It was basically a stepping stone.
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Dec 18, 2012 01:25
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P3P has better replay value with two main characters who have mostly different Social Links, and you can directly control your party members if you really can't stand the (mostly) pretty good AI. FES has animated cutscenes (both anime ones and 3D animated like most of the ones in Persona 4 are) and full control of your character outside of Tartarus (in P3P you control a cursor on a map when not in the dungeon) and a playable epilogue that's pretty fun if you enjoy dungeon crawling, and it's nice if you've grown really attached to the characters and want to see more of them. So if you're interested in playing as a lady and/or controlling your party directly, and you don't mind a hurt story experience, grab P3P, otherwise go for FES. I played P3P first, but I personally think FES is the better version.
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The Persona series has always been a little weird. You fight Hitler in Persona 2.
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Persona 3 has one of the best and most satisfying endings of any game, to me.
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P3P also fixes the Fatigue system so that the early game isn't nearly as tedious. P3 vanilla/FES were horribly slow going to begin with. Between the party control improvements, the Fatigue fixes, and the fact that you can put your Vita to sleep and toss it in a bag mid-battle if need be make P3P my version of choice.
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Barent posted:Persona 3 has one of the best and most satisfying endings of any game, to me. Agreed. I've only played P3P, but I wholeheartedly recommend it to anyone who enjoyed P4. I love P4, but P3 is my personal favorite. You get a lot of interesting mechanics too, like splitting the party and condition, which were removed for P4.
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I never found the "controllable party members!" to be much of a big deal one way or the other in Persona 3. It's a fairly easy game either way. (I will qualify this statement with the admission that I never ever, ever use Mitsuru)
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Dr Pepper posted:The Persona series has always been a little weird.
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Dec 18, 2012 01:42
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Snix posted:Let's not forget this THING. Literally butt headed  .
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Dec 18, 2012 01:45
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Nice to see Mara's sister is getting work.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Literally butt headed Close!
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Dec 18, 2012 01:56
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Dr Pepper posted:You fight Hitler in Persona 2. Hitler with sweet shades, at that.
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Dec 18, 2012 01:58
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Hitler with sweet shades, wielding the Spear of Destiny.
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I think they made the guardian(s) easier to catch since they didn't have a rumble feature to use. I caught both on my first try. I have no idea how I'm supposed to carry that thing on my bike to show the old man. That thing's ridiculous.
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Barent posted:Persona 3 has one of the best and most satisfying endings of any game, to me. I disagree. I love the game, but I hate the ending. It's the opposite of satisfying for me. I can understand why some people like it, but I really can't stand it. Different strokes, I suppose.
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Dec 18, 2012 05:00
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I like how Jester is basically just the more negative aspect of the Fool, our hero and his team's Arcana. We are blindly stumbling forward trying to find the truth... but he's more than content to simply drift through life.
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Speedball posted:I like how Jester is basically just the more negative aspect of the Fool, our hero and his team's Arcana. We are blindly stumbling forward trying to find the truth... but he's more than content to simply drift through life. That is the idea in general. The Jester is the Reversed Fool card. The Fool represents the Journey that is life. The Jester is a failed journey, one who has not only learned nothing but doesn't believe he has anything to learn. Someone who thinks he has all the answers.
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Persona 3: Relaxation & Death Persona 4: Mystery & Joy That's how I'd describe the two. P1 is harder to label since the plot goes all over the place, but the story of Maki is essentially the core of what Persona is about : the multiple sides of a single person. Persona 2 would be the Power of Rumors, but the overall feeling of the game is tough to pinpoint. The two halves of the game are named well for their content, is all I can say. I really wish I could play new versions of the games with the P4 battle system... Speedball posted:I like how Jester is basically just the more negative aspect of the Fool, our hero and his team's Arcana. We are blindly stumbling forward trying to find the truth... but he's more than content to simply drift through life. Yeah, it's fascinating to see how the Jester link is so similar to the Fool, yet manages to deviate so rapidly. I really do love that they added it.
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