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Cellophane S posted:The engine room in 2009 movie was the Budweiser factory I believe That's it! It was a brewery it was built on. That's awesome. It looked great. People are stupid.
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I'll always love the warp core, but this was a pretty cool take on the engine room and it didn't need to be explained to the audience at all, which fit with what the movie was trying to be.
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Dec 18, 2012 16:06
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Dan Didio posted:That's it! It was a brewery it was built on. That's awesome. It looked great. People are stupid. They should probably just retcon that area to be the water reclamation system, which is right beside engineering, or something.
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Dec 18, 2012 16:06
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thexerox123 posted:They should probably just retcon that area to be the water reclamation system, which is right beside engineering, or something.
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Dec 18, 2012 16:16
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Cumberbatch did an interview with Swedish movie site Moviezine, in which he identifies his character as John Harrison. He also says that there was no need to do research on previous incarnations of him.
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Dec 18, 2012 16:16
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I said come in! posted:I'll always love the warp core, but this was a pretty cool take on the engine room and it didn't need to be explained to the audience at all, which fit with what the movie was trying to be.
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Dec 18, 2012 16:24
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It feels the most like an "engine room" of all the Star Trek engine places- all the machinery is out there and theoretically directly accessible, whereas in the shows and movies before there's always a comfortable suite of consoles and workstations overlooking the engines/core/etc. One reason I'm not too worried about the color grading is that Abrams didn't overdo that in ST 2009 or for that matter Super 8- lighting created quite a few blue-yellow scenes but it wasn't universal. I think it's okay so long as it doesn't look like every goddamn shot was hit with the Magic Bullet filter. And those films were really when the "just filter all of it" trend was at its height- I feel like we've pulled back a little in the last couple of years.
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Dec 18, 2012 16:36
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On the topic of colour design, here's something from the production of TOS:Bob Justman, producer posted:We're all in outer space, Jerry [Finnerman, director of photography], and we're in color. NBC claims to be the first full-color network, so let's prove it for them. When you light the sets, throw wild colors in – magenta, red, green, any color you can find – especially behind the actors when they're in a close shot. Be dramatic. In fact, go overboard. Backlight the women and make them more beautiful. Take some chances. Nobody can tell you that's not the way the future will look. How can they? They ain't been there yet.
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Dec 18, 2012 16:51
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Karpaw posted:Cumberbatch did an interview with Swedish movie site Moviezine, in which he identifies his character as John Harrison. He also says that there was no need to do research on previous incarnations of him. Benedict Cumberbatch via Google Translate posted:I did not do any research on my character based on previous incarnations. Benedict Cumberbatch in Swedish posted:Jag behövde inte göra någon research kring min karaktär baserad på tidigare inkarnationer. Trying to think of different villains that he could be playing is fun, but honestly, I'd be happy if he was playing someone we've never seen before too. Yeah, it's s Star Trek movie, but that doesn't mean it has to be something we've already watched.
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Dec 18, 2012 16:58
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like all artistic/cinematic tools color grading can be used to great effect, or horrifically overused/abused. Trek09 is hardly the most egregious offender and in my opinion uses it quite ably. Abrams cinematography leaves a little to be desired though(Dutch angles EVERYWHERE!) apparently the future is tilted 30 degrees
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Dec 18, 2012 17:13
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Polo-Rican posted:Here's one big, quantifiable way color grading can potentially hurt a film: it drastically diminishes the viewer's sense of setting. Typically, each setting has a distinct color scheme - using Star Wars as an example, Tattoine has intense desert colors, yoda's swamp planet is muddy browns and greens, the planet with the speeder bike chase is bright greens and browns, and the cloud city Bespin is a bright array of pinks and friendly colors. It's really easy to conjure up an image of these settings in your memory, largely because each one has a distinct color tone. Even interiors differ in tone: The interior of the millenium falcon is warmly lit greys that appear gold, whereas the interior of the death star is a cold, monotone cyan (comically, colors reserved for villainous places in old sci fi films are applied to almost all interiors in modern sci fi films) Maybe it's secretly going to have a Mirror's Edge crossover.
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Dec 18, 2012 18:15
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Mogomra posted:I don't know any Swedish, so it's hard for me to tell exactly what he's saying there, but yeah.
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Dec 18, 2012 18:41
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Dan Didio posted:That's it! It was a brewery it was built on. That's awesome. It looked great. People are stupid. it did look great! It looked like an engine room.
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Dec 18, 2012 19:25
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ufarn posted:"behövde" means, basically, "needed", which is an important distinction. Similar to "besoin" in French. In other words it's probably a character with no backlog of information. That's exactly what I figured. Thanks for clearing it up thogh!
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Dec 18, 2012 19:28
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I thought we knew for sure that it was an existing Trek character, though? Which made it sound like it wasn't just a name with nothing else canon about it.
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Dec 18, 2012 19:41
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Karpaw posted:Cumberbatch did an interview with Swedish movie site Moviezine, in which he identifies his character as John Harrison. He also says that there was no need to do research on previous incarnations of him. This is a character previously in Star Trek? I couldn't find anything about who he is playing as on memory-alpha.org.
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Dec 18, 2012 19:43
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I said come in! posted:This is a character previously in Star Trek? I couldn't find anything about who he is playing as on memory-alpha.org. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but John Harrison was just a name given that people assumed to be a pseudonym for some other known character, but this interview points to the idea that John Harrison is in fact John Harrison -- there wouldn't be any previous information because there was no previous John Harrison. This is a character only prominent in the new JJTrek timeline.
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Dec 18, 2012 19:47
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What are the major differences between the 2 trek universes now? - Kirk is a Captain way earlier - Vulcan is destroyed
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Dec 18, 2012 20:17
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The Kelvin being so outmatched by the Narada probably jump started Starfleet's R&D budget.
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Dec 18, 2012 20:27
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euphronius posted:What are the major differences between the 2 trek universes now? -Kirk's brother is still alive -Spock is borderline suicidal -Tribbles overran Starfleet -Romulans have access to red matter -Vulcans tried to wipe out the Romulans -Spock's father tried to blow up Romulus -Mirror universe Kirk steals the Narrada because the Klingons had no clue how to use it MadScientistWorking fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Dec 18, 2012 |
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Dec 18, 2012 20:32
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octoroon posted:Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but John Harrison was just a name given that people assumed to be a pseudonym for some other known character, but this interview points to the idea that John Harrison is in fact John Harrison -- there wouldn't be any previous information because there was no previous John Harrison. This is a character only prominent in the new JJTrek timeline. Yeah but the way some parts are phrased suggests there's more to him than that. A sentence stating the character's name uses the words "tills vidare" which mean "for the time being". It's unclear whether Cumberbatch himself alluded to this or if it's speculation on the interviewer's part.
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Dec 18, 2012 20:42
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MadScientistWorking posted:If the comics are canon: So enough has happened differently where basically anything could happen going forward.
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Karpaw posted:Yeah but the way some parts are phrased suggests there's more to him than that. A sentence stating the character's name uses the words "tills vidare" which mean "for the time being". It's unclear whether Cumberbatch himself alluded to this or if it's speculation on the interviewer's part. Like he's really the great-grandson of Khan.
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euphronius posted:So enough has happened differently where basically anything could happen going forward. MadScientistWorking fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Dec 18, 2012 |
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Dec 18, 2012 21:05
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euphronius posted:What are the major differences between the 2 trek universes now? The whole "they traveled from one future and created a new past!" thing was to get Star Trek nerds on board with the changes. There's no reason for them to actually stick with decisions made 60 years ago. Did Kirk's cousin originally save the Jimjam planet from Klingons? It doesn't matter now! Sherlock Holmes gets reinvented all the time and the only things the versions have in common are a few characters. I've seen like five versions of the character in the past decade and they're all really varied interpretations. Playing continuity cop with franchise characters is boring and pointless and just leaves you annoyed when the writers inevitably get it wrong.
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I'm still betting on John Harrison being an Augment or something. Maybe not Khan, but another of that ilk. I mean, the trailer shows him beating the gently caress out of Klingons, on Qo'noS, so I got to believe there's something special about him.
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Yeah but they don't even have to worry about continuity, even if they started out worrying about it, because everything is so different now. I think it is neat because it creates a new universe where we don't know what is going to happen and at the same time there is a whole layer of "how this is different from TOS" to sperg about (positive sperging.)
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Dec 18, 2012 21:15
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Just because the character has a different name doesn't mean that they can't use the same background for Mitchell.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Just because the character has a different name doesn't mean that they can't use the same background for Mitchell. Yeah, except for how that interview seems to imply that no background research for the character from the old-Trek was needed. It could just be awkward phrasing or intentional misleading, but that sounds to be heavily-implying that it is a new character.
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Young Freud posted:I'm still betting on John Harrison being an Augment or something. Maybe not Khan, but another of that ilk. I mean, the trailer shows him beating the gently caress out of Klingons, on Qo'noS, so I got to believe there's something special about him. This is a good bet and it answers how he's able to help that guy's sick daughter - through illegal genetic engineering.
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Cellophane S posted:it did look great! It looked like an engine room. It looked like an engine room on a 19th century steamer, it was awful. Well actually it just looked like a bunch of big water pipes, apparently the Enterprise needs some serious plumbing
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Farecoal posted:It looked like an engine room on a 19th century steamer, it was awful. Well actually it just looked like a bunch of big water pipes, apparently the Enterprise needs some serious plumbing I'm sorry but you are wrong, it was clearly very rad
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Cellophane S posted:I'm sorry but you are wrong, it was clearly very rad This was the concept art for engineering in JJTrek if they had had a budget:   Ridiculously better
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Dec 19, 2012 00:05
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Farecoal posted:It looked like an engine room on a 19th century steamer, it was awful. Well actually it just looked like a bunch of big water pipes, apparently the Enterprise needs some serious plumbing While "it's more realistic" isn't a stellar defense, I feel like it adds something to the feel of the movie. You feel more grounded because the Enterprise feels like an actual ship and not just a bunch of perfectly designed sets.
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Dec 19, 2012 00:09
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Farecoal posted:This was the concept art for engineering in JJTrek if they had had a budget: It was a $150 million dollar budget. If he had wanted that they could have built it.
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Dec 19, 2012 00:19
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We were denied a riveting sequence of Scotty being sucked in a straight line down a hallway.
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casa de mi padre posted:Have you ever been on a submarine? A spaceship is a submarine that goes into space. The mundane areas of the ship are going to be cramped layouts full of stuff needed to make the ship run.  This is not "cramped" at all and doesn't look like the layout of a ship engineer room. You would think it's just a room in some building. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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The new continuity rules because when the Hollywood-mandated reboot comes down the pike in 10 years they can just fast-forward to Picard and Worf in the JJTrek timeline.  Turns out the existence of Vulcan was what caused Picard to be bald!
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epitasis posted:The new continuity rules because when the Hollywood-mandated reboot comes down the pike in 10 years they can just fast-forward to Picard and Worf in the JJTrek timeline. Back when JJTrek was first announced, I was pretty hostile towards the idea of new actors playing Spock and Kirk. But now i've embraced it and love it quite a bit. I can see a reboot of TNG happening with a new actor playing a young Picard. We've already seen episodes of TNG with a young version of Picard anyways.
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