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Protesting is only okay if you do it by eating a chicken sandwich from Chick-fil-a, clearly.Myrdhale posted:Are those the next.... 3 dozen or so countries the next directly in proportional ownership? Lord Lambeth fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Dec 18, 2012 |
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CatCannons posted:Well, for every 100 people in america, they own 90 guns grouped. Are those the next.... 3 dozen or so countries the next directly in proportional ownership? Because if so, I am incredibly pleased that my nation has such a small proportion it  did not make the list .
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Lord Lambeth posted:Protesting is only okay if you do it by eating a chicken sandwich from Chick-fil-a, clearly. Hey now, the privileged homophobic fuckwads have to endure hardship and sacrifice that it takes to make a stand too: http://iwaspoisoned.com/tag/chick-fil-a/
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Thing is, that probably doesn't include old guns (over 100 years? I think doesn't need a registeration because they are older than the relevant laws.) those plus illegals it is something like 6-7 hundred million guns. My grandfather personally had over a dozen guns he had looted from germans in ww2 before he decided he no longer wanted them and sold them on the side.
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Spacedad posted:"Children were murdered by a crazed gunman therefore teacher's unions are bad" is more like something that should be on a "conservative logic" site. Teachers: awesome when they are dying heroically for your children, worthless poo poo fit to be insulted if they dare group together to demand reasonable working conditions and pay.
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I simply can't draw a coherent comparison between the situations. It reminds me of another terrible macro showing soldiers saying stuff like 'oh, at least they [Wal-Mart employees] don't get shot on Black Friday' (paraphrasing). My response then was: does that imply Wal-Mart employees need to be at least shot at to justify complaint? The comparison makes no sense to me, and anyone who'd feel it probably would already agree with it. Image macros: probably not a good or appropriate venue for political discussion.
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Sean Hannity says that the solution to school shootings is to have armed retired police officers in schools. It wasn't just a random idea he threw out, he kept on saying it, over and over again yesterday. He didn't say anything about paying them, or even hiring them as security guards. Like, his entire plan to prevent school shootings was for retired police officers to take a folding chair and a rifle to the nearest public school and sit in the hallway waiting for trouble.
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boom boom boom posted:Sean Hannity says that the solution to school shootings is to have armed retired police officers in schools. It wasn't just a random idea he threw out, he kept on saying it, over and over again yesterday. He didn't say anything about paying them, or even hiring them as security guards. Like, his entire plan to prevent school shootings was for retired police officers to take a folding chair and a rifle to the nearest public school and sit in the hallway waiting for trouble. Ghost of Reagan Past fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Dec 18, 2012 |
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boom boom boom posted:Sean Hannity says that the solution to school shootings is to have armed retired police officers in schools. It wasn't just a random idea he threw out, he kept on saying it, over and over again yesterday. He didn't say anything about paying them, or even hiring them as security guards. Like, his entire plan to prevent school shootings was for retired police officers to take a folding chair and a rifle to the nearest public school and sit in the hallway waiting for trouble. Can we make them all dress like Barney Fife?
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AtomikKrab posted:Thing is, that probably doesn't include old guns (over 100 years? I think doesn't need a registeration because they are older than the relevant laws.) those plus illegals it is something like 6-7 hundred million guns. My grandfather personally had over a dozen guns he had looted from germans in ww2 before he decided he no longer wanted them and sold them on the side. Nah the figure includes old guns and all that, and attempts to guess at the number of illegal guns too. The data gets taken from interviewing a bunch of people and having them self report the number of guns they have, largely.
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http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blog/show?id=3355873%3ABlogPost%3A2364503&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_postTimothy Birdnow posted:Had George Zimmerman been at the front door instead of some mechanical card reader those children would still be alive. I was feeling more or less desensitized to people taking horrifying political stances on the shooting but, uh, yeah
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boom boom boom posted:Sean Hannity says that the solution to school shootings is to have armed retired police officers in schools. It wasn't just a random idea he threw out, he kept on saying it, over and over again yesterday. He didn't say anything about paying them, or even hiring them as security guards. Like, his entire plan to prevent school shootings was for retired police officers to take a folding chair and a rifle to the nearest public school and sit in the hallway waiting for trouble. Yes let's put gun-wielding senior citizens around our children. They can bring their own windowless vans too. Every time I hear the right wing 'solutions' to problems like these involving living out gun-nut fantasy scenarios, I keep thinking of this audio cut-up: http://ia700400.us.archive.org/27/items/Noizes_Andy_Beaver_Dragnest/bd_Rifleman5.mp3 Anyway, it's patently obvious that Sean is pandering to his audience - no doubt a good deal of the bulk of seniors watching Fox all wish they could have totally been there with guns to go all John Woo and Goku Kamehameha million-kickpunch the school shooter because DONT TAKE ARE GUNZ. Pandering candyland solutions to real-world problems are rightwing charlatans like Hannity's stock and trade. Sir Tonk posted:Can we make them all dress like Barney Fife? Here's something how I imagine that might go over: http://ia700400.us.archive.org/27/items/Noizes_Andy_Beaver_Dragnest/bd_Andy_of_Bug_Porn012.mp3 Spacedad fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Dec 18, 2012 |
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Y'know, it's a shame I hadn't found this thread earlier. I happen to live in central Wisconsin, which is a both a fairly conservative area and fairly religious area. This leads to a lot of overlap of conservative and religious radio programs, which are mostly focused on purely theological grounds, so they tend to be rather inoffensive unless you have strongly-held religious views. However, two programs in particular, Crosstalk and The Janet Mefferd Show are practically shills for the Republican line. I listen to them often, because I enjoy being angry. Crosstalk, which broadcasts on the national VCY network from Milwaukee, is known mostly for being hosted by crotchety old men who yearn for it to be the 1950's again. They have a strong relationship with WND, formerly WorldNetDaily, which I'm sure has been mentioned in this thread before. Often, WND will "report" on something, Crosstalk will talk about "a shocking news story over at WND" as if it were factual, and the daily guest will either be the WND reporter themself or an "expert" that says exactly what the hosts want to hear. As such, they were very vocal during the height of the Birther movement, and although they've calmed down about it, you'll still see them reporting on any "new development in Obama's legitimacy" with bated breath. In fact, despite nominally being a Christian show, the actual subject of theology is barely brought up in more than a passing fashion - on their website, only 51 of their past shows are tagged "Christianity", while 114 are tagged "Current Events" and 188 are tagged "Government". Add a strange obsession with/hatred of homosexuality and a smattering of "the government is going to take away our guns and imprison us" conspiracy theories and you have Crosstalk. Janet Mefferd, on the other hand, is much more vocal in her advocacy of Christianity - an ultra-orthodox, extremely conservative version of Christianity, mind you - but that doesn't mean she's any less political. After every commercial break in her show, which runs three hour-long episodes daily, she's described as "radio's fresh, insightful voice", but her theology resembles something out of a Nathaniel Hawthorne story and her social views are somewhere to the right of Rush Limbaugh. She usually devotes at least one episode daily to purely-religious matters, and the other two have more to do with current events. This usually takes the form of Janet railing on "the culture", saying that the Church should completely disassociate itself from secular culture one minute, and whining that secular culture isn't doing exactly what the Church says the next. She has obvious contempt for liberals in any form, be it political or theological, and although she's able to mask it as simple diagreement most days, she has a tendency to melt down whenever liberals make any actual political progress. Her spiteful, jealous rage on her first post-election program this year was amazing to behold. She also has a very cozy relationship with many hate groups, hosting people like Peter Labarbera and Pamela Gellar on a regular basis. Also, just to add to the awful, she was a very vocal supporter of Todd Akin after he made his "legitimate rape" comments, agreeing with him and at one point even accepting funds from his re-election campaign. I'm mostly describing them just because I want to make sure it's okay to talk about Christian media in this thread - I listen to these shows often, not to be all r/atheist, but because their social views are so incredibly backwards. They have a penchant for saying horrible, awful things, and inviting horrible, awful people on their shows. I think this thread could be a good place to dump some of their more heinous sayings, because there are a LOT of them, but I wanna make sure that the religious angle doesn't make it too iffy before doing so - I'd keep it in the realm of the political, to be sure. tl;dr: yo Religious Right shows say some crazy political poo poo too, is it alright to talk about here or would it lead to too many derails 
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:Janet Mefferd, on the other hand, is much more vocal in her advocacy of Christianity - an ultra-orthodox, extremely conservative version of Christianity, mind you - but that doesn't mean she's any less political. After every commercial break in her show, which runs three hour-long episodes daily, she's described as "radio's fresh, insightful voice", but her theology resembles something out of a Nathaniel Hawthorne story and her social views are somewhere to the right of Rush Limbaugh. She usually devotes at least one episode daily to purely-religious matters, and the other two have more to do with current events. This usually takes the form of Janet railing on "the culture", saying that the Church should completely disassociate itself from secular culture one minute, and whining that secular culture isn't doing exactly what the Church says the next. She has obvious contempt for liberals in any form, be it political or theological, and although she's able to mask it as simple diagreement most days, she has a tendency to melt down whenever liberals make any actual political progress. Her spiteful, jealous rage on her first post-election program this year was amazing to behold. She also has a very cozy relationship with many hate groups, hosting people like Peter Labarbera and Pamela Gellar on a regular basis. Also, just to add to the awful, she was a very vocal supporter of Todd Akin after he made his "legitimate rape" comments, agreeing with him and at one point even accepting funds from his re-election campaign. I haven't been able to listen to Janet Mefferd in a long time but you're pretty much absolutely correct. She loves hosting really crazy people, though sometimes she'll host liberals and quietly disagree with everything (but only when she doesn't want to hurt their feelings). She is actually a local for me who only went national in the past couple of years. I do have a funny story of how she found a post I once did that was very critical of her and she talked about it on the air and I called her and she was weirdly sweet to me, which is probably where she differs from most of the people with terrible opinions. Though she may have gotten harsher since I heard her last. Also on the station she originates from is Xseratives Speak, which is more or less about GenX conservatives. The host is a black guy who is still really... well, sometimes I don't think he gets why people fight for civil rights. He unironically has the Conservative knockoff of the ACLU commercials all around his show (and they ALSO have a show on the same station).
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Spacedad posted:Yes let's put gun-wielding senior citizens around our children. They can bring their own windowless vans too. Thats what always boggles my mind. Instead of some gun control and a massive overhaul of mental health in america they would rather expose their children to firefights and turn the streets and hallways into war zones.
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Neremworld posted:I haven't been able to listen to Janet Mefferd in a long time but you're pretty much absolutely correct. She loves hosting really crazy people, though sometimes she'll host liberals and quietly disagree with everything (but only when she doesn't want to hurt their feelings). She is actually a local for me who only went national in the past couple of years. I do have a funny story of how she found a post I once did that was very critical of her and she talked about it on the air and I called her and she was weirdly sweet to me, which is probably where she differs from most of the people with terrible opinions. Though she may have gotten harsher since I heard her last. Also on the station she originates from is Xseratives Speak, which is more or less about GenX conservatives. The host is a black guy who is still really... well, sometimes I don't think he gets why people fight for civil rights. He unironically has the Conservative knockoff of the ACLU commercials all around his show (and they ALSO have a show on the same station). Ha, yeah, Janet's gotten a lot more vicious and one-sided over the past few years. The only time I can remember her interviewing anyone even remotely liberal over the past few years is when she had an atheist come on to explain that an article he wrote on patheos or some other religion blog did not, in fact, call for the execution of all Christians. More recently, she got into a shouting match with Alan Chambers, president of Exodus International over his outrageous claim that homosexuals can be Christian and maybe they're not all just hell-bound disease machines. Then, after Chambers poo poo-talked her on Facebook after the interview, she hosted a bunch of Exodus members who demanded that Chambers step down, and devoted a lot of airtime to whining about how she was being unfairly attacked and how Alan Chambers was a meanie. She does not take being challenged well. In reality, most of the time, she just nods and "mhmm"'s through most of her interviews, and besides giving an uncontested platform to crazy right-wingers, she doesn't strike you as overly crazy herself. Once the interviews are over and she gets into "Well here's what I think" mode, though... 
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:In reality, most of the time, she just nods and "mhmm"'s through most of her interviews, and besides giving an uncontested platform to crazy right-wingers, she doesn't strike you as overly crazy herself. Once the interviews are over and she gets into "Well here's what I think" mode, though... This sounds like a cowardly way to avoid confrontation on the air and allows her to voice her views without being called out on them.
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Twisted Perspective posted:This sounds like a cowardly way to avoid confrontation on the air and allows her to voice her views without being called out on them. It was weird because she didn't like that when I called her, but she is like that for guests. Like when I talked to her, she literally went "Hey buddy!" after recognizing my name, despite the fact that I slammed her pretty good for her insane opinions. 
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Kieselguhr Kid posted:I simply can't draw a coherent comparison between the situations. It reminds me of another terrible macro showing soldiers saying stuff like 'oh, at least they [Wal-Mart employees] don't get shot on Black Friday' (paraphrasing). My response then was: does that imply Wal-Mart employees need to be at least shot at to justify complaint? The comparison makes no sense to me, and anyone who'd feel it probably would already agree with it. I'd like to take this further. Wal-Mart greeters can't complain despite lousy pay, because they aren't being shot at. They have a significantly greater-than-zero chance of being trampled on Black Friday, but that chance is still really, really, really low. Doesn't this mean that Wal-Mart, who undertake less risk, hours, and work and get more money, have even less right to complain?
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Obama will be submitting gun control proposals to congress, is the rightwing mediasphere screaming bloody murder about "ARE GUNS" (well way more then usual)? Can't really check the usual radio/TV sources right now. I'm sure prime listening to Limbaugh or Alex Jones right now.
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Radio Nowhere posted:Obama will be submitting gun control proposals to congress, is the rightwing mediasphere screaming bloody murder about "ARE GUNS" (well way more then usual)? Can't really check the usual radio/TV sources right now. I'm sure prime listening to Limbaugh or Alex Jones right now. Well for what Brietbart is worth, currently their most popular articles are the Benghazi "coverup" and being outraged in their "Big Government" section that people dared to willingly hand over their guns when San Fran and Oakland had a gun buy-back program because "NOW ONLY THE BAD GUYS HAVE GUNS" http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/19/San-Francisco-And-Oakland-Crowds-Give-Up-Guns-In-Buyback-Scheme
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Branis posted:Thats what always boggles my mind. Instead of some gun control and a massive overhaul of mental health in america they would rather expose their children to firefights and turn the streets and hallways into war zones. This also has to do with the fact that most NRA/right-wing gun-owners that I have met believe that they are expert marksmen who would be picking off armed targets at twenty yards with a single head-shot from their concealed 9mm Sig. Look at the two NYPD cops at the Empire State Building shooting who managed to hit a bunch of bystanders, and they were trained professionals on the anti-terrorism detail. Unfortunately, the majority of these people have never been in a gunfight and think that facing an armed threat is no different than shooting paper silhouettes at the range. Living in PA, I had a concealed carry permit years ago, and outside of when I needed it for work, I never had my gun on me. I knew that having a gun on me would be more likely to bring trouble than prevent it, not just from a violence standpoint, but also from any legal consequences of me having to use it, even if it was in good faith and justified.
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I could only stomach about an hour of Limbaugh today. During that time he railed against low information voters (or "idiots" as he used interchangeably) for contributing to the Obama re-election, and had one caller call in about how he would sue the Adam Lanza's mother for the Sandy Hook shooting. The guy calling in didn't know a goddamn thing about what he was talking about, yet Rush gave him about 5 minutes to spew the meme about how "the responsibility of the murder lies solely on the parents". Ugh 
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Count Freebasie posted:This also has to do with the fact that most NRA/right-wing gun-owners that I have met believe that they are expert marksmen This right here is, I think, an under-estimated part of the rightwing obsession with guns. Freeper types all believe they are exceptional people in every way - they are smarter, more open-minded, more learned, more moral, and better prepared psychologically for an inevitable race war that will finally let them show the world how awesome they are. For all the talk of violent video games feeding into adolescent behavior, one has to wonder if decades of glorification of vigilantism in American films and television have contributed to this. Everyone thinks they are a god drat terminator just waiting to be unleashed on some unfortunate criminal who, along with the rest of society, has underestimated them.
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Unzip and Attack posted:This right here is, I think, an under-estimated part of the rightwing obsession with guns. Freeper types all believe they are exceptional people in every way - they are smarter, more open-minded, more learned, more moral, and better prepared psychologically for an inevitable race war that will finally let them show the world how awesome they are. For all the talk of violent video games feeding into adolescent behavior, one has to wonder if decades of glorification of vigilantism in American films and television have contributed to this. Everyone thinks they are a god drat terminator just waiting to be unleashed on some unfortunate criminal who, along with the rest of society, has underestimated them. Have you ever read Snow Crash? Neal Stephenson posted:“Until a man is twenty-five, he still thinks, every so often, that under the right circumstances he could be the baddest motherfucker in the world. If I moved to a martial-arts monastery in China and studied real hard for ten years. If my family was wiped out by Colombian drug dealers and I swore myself to revenge. If I got a fatal disease, had one year to live, and devoted it to wiping out street crime. If I just dropped out and devoted my life to being bad American men carry this mentality well past 25 years old. Combined with our elevation of vigilantism and street justice, it end up being a pretty weird mindset.
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The latest right-wing media thing: Concussion-Gate. Is there anything these paranoid idiots won't try to make a conspiracy out of?
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Unzip and Attack posted:Everyone thinks they are a god drat terminator just waiting to be unleashed on some unfortunate criminal who, along with the rest of society, has underestimated them. I got rebutted with pretty much this very statement when I commented that arming teachers was a bad idea, and would likely hurt more than it helped; so you're not too far off there. Let me see if I can find the quote. E; Got it. Some Idiot On Facebook posted:It's more like some weird projectionist thing. They think they would panic and it would only make things worse, and they assume that they are the pinnacle and have made a full assessment of every situation, and therefore if they might make things worse, everybody else would too. Like people somehow break down completely, no matter how decent a person they are, and wouldn't stop to consider if they might accidentally shoot a child. Many of the people who claim this could be the case also have some strange view of a shooting situation wherein all the children would be flocking to the shooter, providing him with a shield. I mean, the guy at that school was in the hallway, trying to get into rooms. And most gun owners have been through safety courses. A lot of them are regular at shooting ranges. It's not like they are untrained. They are usually far, far better shots than policeman. NatasDog fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Dec 19, 2012 |
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DaveWoo posted:The latest right-wing media thing: Concussion-Gate. It'll go as well as Michael J. Fox's fake shaking.
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You heard it here first folks: "most gun owners are far better shooters than policemen". Seriously, this is amazing evidence that humanity hasn't evolved at all since first figuring out agriculture.
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Unzip and Attack posted:You heard it here first folks: "most gun owners are far better shooters than policemen". If that statement were even remotely true (it's not) it would mean we have the worst police firearms training in the world.
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DaveWoo posted:The latest right-wing media thing: Concussion-Gate. At first I figured it was going to be about Liberals forcing the NFL to protect players from concussions as a secret way to undermine the greatest American sport and let the communists take over with their soccer bullshit.
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People who project on others will also try to evade accusations or guilt of projection by wrongly accusing others of projection. This shows how shallow they are, for whether or not someone is projecting onto others is something that can be objectively observed and demonstrated regardless of how much the person projecting hopes their denials will confuse things in their favor. It lies in the content of the argument and evidence, not hand waving and Gish galloping.
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Branis posted:Thats what always boggles my mind. Instead of some gun control and a massive overhaul of mental health in america they would rather expose their children to firefights and turn the streets and hallways into war zones. Somewhere an NRA lobbyist just had a bug swarm orgasm out of his thornish devil's cock to that idea. Just think of all the gun sales! Cha Ching! Yes yes mr hannity, the solution is more guns! Always more guns! Guns help your T-zone and cure the cancers. More guns and more money and more guns. Bang bang!
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Spacedad posted:People who project on others will also try to evade accusations or guilt of projection by wrongly accusing others of projection. This shows how shallow they are, for whether or not someone is projecting onto others is something that can be objectively observed and demonstrated regardless of how much the person projecting hopes their denials will confuse things in their favor. It lies in the content of the argument and evidence, not hand waving and Gish galloping. Right, but a projectionist is someone who runs projectors at a movie theater; which was what I found amusing.
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Lordy, this reminds me of the scenes in Unforgiven where the dude writing cowboy serials for the rubes back East had Clint Eastwood;s character explaining in detail what a giant trainwreck a barroom shootout is really like. I have had a loaded firearm pointed at me just once (I was age 22, was late returning a rental van to a very rural dropoff location and was encountered by someone claiming to be night security, with a shotgun). It was a singularly unnerving experience. It was quite a few minutes before I felt calm enough to drive my car home.
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I was flipping through channels and stopped to listen to Bill O'Reilly talking about a US Marine being held in a Mexican prison on gun charges even though the gun was legal and that officials are trying to extort his family. I know that law enforcement in some parts of Mexico are corrupt to the point that not having enough to bribe the officer is an arrestable offense, but trying to find more info on it, everything that comes up in search results is Fox News, Fox Nation, Breitbart, Heritage Foundation, etc. This seems like the best general topic D&D thread to post about it in, I'm wondering if anyone has been following the story and knows more than I do can fill me in.
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NatasDog posted:Projectionist thing indeed. It does point to the self-centered nature of this thinking that the only reason he can fathom that liberals oppose guns is because of how they visualize themselves acting, not about the broader impact and potential danger it creates everywhere vigilante justice crime-fighters happen not to be at the time. (Not that they would help even if they were there, but you know what I mean)
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GWBBQ posted:I was flipping through channels and stopped to listen to Bill O'Reilly talking about a US Marine being held in a Mexican prison on gun charges even though the gun was legal and that officials are trying to extort his family. I know that law enforcement in some parts of Mexico are corrupt to the point that not having enough to bribe the officer is an arrestable offense, but trying to find more info on it, everything that comes up in search results is Fox News, Fox Nation, Breitbart, Heritage Foundation, etc. This seems like the best general topic D&D thread to post about it in, I'm wondering if anyone has been following the story and knows more than I do can fill me in. Here's a non-rightwing source: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/12/11/3720826/lawmakers-assail-mexico-obama.html
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