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I have one of these really old postcards, given to me years ago. This site has the info from the other side of it, as well as more stuff on the swastika itself (not my site or anything, I just searched for a picture of the postcard and found it). http://www.luckymojo.com/swastika.html
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Miltank posted:Those people were humanitarians you piece of poo poo. Don't mind penguin, just look at his rap sheet, put him on ignore and move on. He is most definitely not worth engaging. He hates America so much it HURTS, can't you see his PAIN? You MONSTER!  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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It's difficult not to like Obama, even though I hate most of his policies: 
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Earth posted:I knew that'd get you riled up, but here's a few things you may not have thought about. Take note that on all the pictures you showed they identify the people coming from neighborhoods rather than what their parents actual income is. Just because you come from a "wealthy" area doesn't mean you yourself are wealthy. The second thing I'd like to know is how much of these people coming from a wealthy neighborhood had immediate family members in the military prior to their joining? I ask because the military is quite kindly socialist to its members and that leg up would imply their parents had a helping hand, and would suggest to their kids to get that same helping hand. So you don't actually have any evidence, just anecdotes and feelings? 
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Zeroisanumber posted:The Taliban could cite the bin Laden raid as a reason, but they've been pulling poo poo like this for as long as they've been around because they want the efforts to fail. Long before the bin Laden raid, they were telling the people that vaccination was all just a Western plot to sterilize Muslims. I promise I wasn't trying to be a Taliban apologist; it mentions that stuff in the article I linked. The whole CIA being scum thing was what I wanted to emphasise. Thewittyname posted:Don't mind penguin, just look at his rap sheet, put him on ignore and move on. He is most definitely not worth engaging. He hates America so much it HURTS, can't you see his PAIN? You MONSTER!  Surely people should be allowed to have negative feelings towards a powerful, imperialistic country whose terribleness has such a negative impact on the world? Or did that stop being A Good Thing after the 18th century? Have some more Tony Benn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBsaQ5ltcK8
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Earth posted:I knew that'd get you riled up, but here's a few things you may not have thought about. Take note that on all the pictures you showed they identify the people coming from neighborhoods rather than what their parents actual income is. Just because you come from a "wealthy" area doesn't mean you yourself are wealthy. The second thing I'd like to know is how much of these people coming from a wealthy neighborhood had immediate family members in the military prior to their joining? I ask because the military is quite kindly socialist to its members and that leg up would imply their parents had a helping hand, and would suggest to their kids to get that same helping hand. I'm glad you explained it because my eyes stopped at the heritage.org stamp in the corner of each graph 
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Exclamation Marx posted:Have some more Tony Benn Ah! Thanks for posting this, I saw a video of him speaking a while ago and he was really interesting but I couldn't remember his name. 
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Earth fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Moist von Lipwig posted:Ah! Thanks for posting this, I saw a video of him speaking a while ago and he was really interesting but I couldn't remember his name. He's just a completely different class of politician. I swear to God if he dies before Thatcher   quote:South Korea's first woman president Park Geun-Hye of ruling Saenuri Party, waves to supporters after arriving at the party headquarters in Seoul, South Korea.
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Saint Sputnik posted:I'm glad you explained it because my eyes stopped at the heritage.org stamp in the corner of each graph If someone has a good study with sources that show that the average Soldier isn't a middle class white guy, I'd like to see it.  Earth posted:
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Guys, could we please get the Totenkopf thread back on track?
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Earth posted:I knew that'd get you riled up, but here's a few things you may not have thought about. Take note that on all the pictures you showed they identify the people coming from neighborhoods rather than what their parents actual income is. Just because you come from a "wealthy" area doesn't mean you yourself are wealthy. The second thing I'd like to know is how much of these people coming from a wealthy neighborhood had immediate family members in the military prior to their joining? I ask because the military is quite kindly socialist to its members and that leg up would imply their parents had a helping hand, and would suggest to their kids to get that same helping hand. 
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Dilkington posted:No one is more bellicose than me. There are not enough ditches in the world for the people I despise. Vinkovci & Osijek are in Croatia (just saiyan for the lurkers!!) National Bolshevik Eduard Limonov shooting a machine gun into Sarajevo during his friendly visit to Karadzic during the Bosnian war Go to 4:59 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH_v6aL1D84&t=4s Alija Izetbegović , Bosnian president '90-'96  Franjo Tuđman, first Croatian president  Slobodan Milošević, a pretty messed up dude and probably not cooler than Ćosić  The hero of Yugoslavia, Nazi-rear end kicker and all round badass: Josip Broz Tito:  
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Saint Sputnik posted:I'm glad you explained it because my eyes stopped at the heritage.org stamp in the corner of each graph Stopped clock etc. etc.  I like the study because it disarms the liberal talking point about how we should respect members of the all volunteer military even though they took a job killing people and enforcing American imperialism because they were too poor to have any other options.
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Kraxis posted:
It's still also used unofficially by the 1-37 Armor in the US Army, or at least it was about 10 years ago. I can't find any bigger image than this.  Also, since I can't find an image of any real tanks from the 1-37, this is some German modeler's tank which has the totenkopf the way the 1-37 did or at least used to. 
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Al! posted:Stopped clock etc. etc. Without looking into it I'd wager we're looking at a difference between enlisted/officers pretty closely following class lines. I mean obviously. I just wonder if Armyman25's study makes that distinction. 
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Al! posted:Stopped clock etc. etc. I literally don't understand the point of faulting anyone in this scenario. Surely, if a soldier was capable of fully comprehending the ramifications of joining the American military - that is, they had the good fortune to be born with or be around people who instilled empathy, and they had the education to perceive the purpose of the war - they wouldn't have joined the military. If a person knew something they did was evil, would they have done it? By definition, the answer is "no", and, for that reason, the problem of US imperialism necessitates a constructive solution - education, social-safety nets - rather than a destructive one - kill and hate all soldiers. Obviously, you can't do much if a guy in an Abrams tank is blowing your house up except shoot back, but that won't matter much to the children he has when he leaves your country and goes home.  A boy in India who fishes coins out of the ocean for his family.
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SSJ2 Goku Wilders posted:Vinkovci & Osijek are in Croatia (just saiyan for the lurkers!!) German paratroopers posing with Titos jacket after a raid on his HQ 
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cheerfullydrab posted:Guys, could we please get the Totenkopf thread back on track? Can do!  The 1st Hussar Regiment of the Prussian Army (look at their caps). It was known alongside the 2nd Regiment as well as the 17th Brunswick Hussar Regiment as the "Skull Hussars", not to be mistaken with the "Belling hussars" of the 18th century that boasted an entire skeleton on their caps!  The Eremites of St. Paul, a short-lived Catholic order in 17th century France. They were colloquially known as "Fathers of Death". They were established by a nobleman in Rouen in 1624. The order quickly spread to a number of other French cities. They were peculiar for their obsession with death which was considered extreme even by their Baroque contemporaries who could be pretty morbid themselves. The Fathers of Death greeted themselves with the words "Dear brother, think of (your) death." When asking for almonds, they told their benefactors "Remember that you have to die." Before dinner and supper, the lector asked the abbot for his blessing and then loudly declared "Think of your end, and you shall not sin!" Then all the monks kissed the skull at the base of the large crucifix displayed in their refectoria. Every monk was supposed to have a skull in his cell, and when a novice was introduced into the order, he lay down in a coffin while the other monks stood around him, chanting the prayers proper for a Mass of the Dead. The order was suppressed by Pope Urban VIII in 1627, supposedly because some important documents concerning their establishment had been found to be faked. Information on this order is scarce; I found the text in the German "Allgemeine Encyklopädie der Wissenschaften und Künste" (1840), p. 163-165. The picture is out of J.K.Wies: Abbildungen sämmtlicher geistlichen Orden männlich- und weiblichen Geschlechts in der katholischen Kirche, Erster Theil, die geistlichen Manns-Orden (Prague 1821) on p. 19. Because my sources are so old and disparate, you have to take everything I've written above with a grain of salt, who knows how much of that is 19th century-Romantic hyperbole.  The coat of arms of the Austrian-Czech noble house of Schwarzenberg, made entirely out of human bones. It can be found in an ossuary in the Czech city of Kutna Hora, where pretty much everything is made of bones.  The world's most  chandelier.
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Robert Bork is dead, and Jeffrey Toobin is a-okay with that.
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Wubbles posted:Surely, if a soldier was capable of fully comprehending the ramifications of joining the American military - that is, they had the good fortune to be born with or be around people who instilled empathy, and they had the education to perceive the purpose of the war - they wouldn't have joined the military. You can join the army and not do evil things. I've seen it done. You're just referring to "education" about how dictatorial and oppressive the military is from the President all the way down to the Private in basic training. It's a myth. Just because you put on a uniform and pick up a gun doesn't make you inherently less sensitive about the deaths of children and innocent people. In fact, you can join the military in the aim of trying to prevent such things, and not become disenfranchised by the real culture, depending on what platoon or company you end up in. It's not Vietnam anymore. There's a lot of people who don't care about U.S. interests in the wars because they don't even see the diplomatic benefit of engaging in it. The biggest reason you stay in is if you want to continue doing something positive for others. It's not the soldiers who lack a firm grasp of military culture. It's you. For content: A man is hauled away from a football game between Jordan and Syria while wearing the Syrian Revolution flag. The game was in Kuwait, so I doubt it was BECAUSE he was wearing it. Probably running through the field or something. 
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If a mod doesn't mind, I'd just like to respond real quick to Volkerball: While that may be the case, you could argue that, in joining the military, an individual perpetuates the military-industrial complex in some way, and so - regardless of the actions they perform directly - the "evil" things others within it may do. That, however, is beside my point (and also stupid) - the main thing is that actions taken on the political scale (let's say that this refers to actions that necessitate the involvement of the government or a similarly influential social body, like a crime or, obviously, military activity) should be judged as a consequence of the cultural and psychological pressures that generated them, rather than merely on their ability to fulfill moral principles. edit: oh, fine  edit 2: Now, you may wonder how I could reconcile posting that picture with what I just said. I would do so by suggesting the officer should face repercussions - firing at the very least so that he doesn't threaten anyone else - but be treated in a way that recognizes his apparent cruelty is a product of influences beyond his control. Norway has the right idea here (if I'm not mistaken about the nature of Norway's justice system) - imprison certain criminals, but use prisons as rehabilitation centers rather than punishment. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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^^Post a picture or catch a probation, dickcheese.prefect posted:Robert Bork is dead, and Jeffrey Toobin is a-okay with that. Toobin more or less nails my reaction to the news. Bork was a reactionary piece of poo poo. 
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System Metternich posted:Can do! I think a lot of the reason behind the pervasiveness of death's heads in military insignia is frankly no deeper than that little (and sometimes not so little) bit of our fourteen year old selves which lingers on into adulthood and thinks skulls are totally bitchin'. For a more recent incarnation, see 
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cheerfullydrab posted:Guys, could we please get the Totenkopf thread back on track? As a fan of the band Death In June I am scared as poo poo to wear my shirt open and proud because I don't want anyone to pummel me to the ground and call me Nazi. I had no idea every drat symbol he used could be miss read as a flag for Nazis Can't I just like my neo-folk like everyone else!   This image must have been posted in here once before but here ya go again. 
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FarmerHank posted:As a fan of the band Death In June I am scared as poo poo to wear my shirt open and proud because I don't want anyone to pummel me to the ground and call me Nazi. I had no idea every drat symbol he used could be miss read as a flag for Nazis Being a metalhead is fraught with symbolic danger  Oh I found this cool grungy band and ...  oh... On the other hand  
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 "The President and Bo, the Obama family dog, ride in the presidential motorcade en route to PetSmart in Alexandria, Va. The President bought Bo some Christmas gifts at the pet store then walked nearby to Best Buy to purchase gifts for his daughters, Dec. 21, 2011."
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prefect posted:Robert Bork is dead, and Jeffrey Toobin is a-okay with that. Reminds me of this classic piece. 
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Haha, gently caress you. Yeah, they were good people. And? They certainly weren't the only innocent people to be killed in Afghanistan. Hey, history lesson: The people doing all that killing, the Taliban? Your loving government made them the power they are today. That picture was taken 10 years before the Taliban was a thing, although I'm fairly sure that's Gulbuddin Hekmatyar on the the far left. 
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Peven Stan posted:
Jesus Christ, he went way out of the friggin' way to shop at the shittiest Best Buy in NoVA. The only excuse to be down there is for the Peking Gourmet and the Bush family practically owns it. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Red white and blue collar. Bo is truly America's Dog (yes he is).   (RIP Buddy )   
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Armyman25 posted:Did you just say that most US Soldiers are poor immigrants? Thewittyname posted:Don't mind penguin, just look at his rap sheet, put him on ignore and move on. He is most definitely not worth engaging. He hates America so much it HURTS, can't you see his PAIN? You MONSTER! What is it your jesus always said? "Hate the Sin but love the Sinner?"  TheIllestVillain posted:That picture was taken 10 years before the Taliban was a thing, although I'm fairly sure that's Gulbuddin Hekmatyar on the the far left. 
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cheerfullydrab posted:Guys, could we please get the Totenkopf thread back on track? Good call.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Victoria_Louise_of_Prussia
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