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beatlegs posted:Here's a non-rightwing source:
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 03:32 |
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# ? Jun 1, 2024 05:15 |
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Man I thought the right-wing was going insane over any possible kind of gun regulation in response to Sandy Hook, boy was I wrong. They're attacking from all angles. The National review published an article blaming Sandy Hook on, well, women. http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/19/1361521/top-conservative-publication-newtown-happened-because-women-ran-the-school/ quote:If there were fewer women and more “male aggression” in Sandy Hook Elementary School, the massacre there never would have taken place, according to a contribution to a leading conservative magazine.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 03:51 |
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Spacedad posted:If that statement were even remotely true (it's not) it would mean we have the worst police firearms training in the world. ... In my experience, shooting with ex-cops, current cops, and during cop refreshers... It's not the most wrong statement I've ever heard. I no longer go near the range when there is a cop mandatory shooting funtime.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 03:54 |
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You know who else had high voter turnout....quote:Those who think high voter turnout indicates civic health should note that in three German elections, 1932-33, turnout averaged more than 86 percent, reflecting the terrible stakes: The elections decided which mobs would rule the streets and who would inhabit concentration camps. Oh you expected better from George Will? Nope. There's a full moon out this week because all of the "serious" conservative pundits are shark jumping. Take Megan McArdle for instance. quote:I'd also like us to encourage people to gang rush shooters, rather than following their instincts to hide; if we drilled it into young people that the correct thing to do is for everyone to instantly run at the guy with the gun, these sorts of mass shootings would be less deadly, because even a guy with a very powerful weapon can be brought down by 8-12 unarmed bodies piling on him at once. Or how about Charlotte Allen. quote:There was not a single adult male on the school premises when the shooting occurred. In this school of 450 students, a sizeable number of whom were undoubtedly 11- and 12-year-old boys (it was a K–6 school), all the personnel — the teachers, the principal, the assistant principal, the school psychologist, the “reading specialist” — were female. There didn’t even seem to be a male janitor to heave his bucket at Adam Lanza’s knees... Think of what Sandy Hook might have been like if a couple of male teachers who had played high-school football, or even some of the huskier 12-year-old boys, had converged on Lanza. But these are mere apprentices, silly freshmen when in the presence of the true master. quote:Star New York Times columnist and Jay-Z enthusiast David Brooks is taking his talents to New Haven. The Yale Herald's Bullblog noticed that every liberals' "favorite conservative" will be teaching a class in the spring titled just plain "Humility." According to its description, the course promises to explore "The premise that human beings are blessed with many talents but are also burdened by sinfulness, ignorance, and weakness," as demonstrated by men such as Moses, Homer, and "others," like maybe Paul Krugman. "I taught at Yale about six or seven years ago and at Duke since and really enjoyed it," Brooks told Intelligencer, "so I was pleased to be able to do it again. I'm going to commute up Mondays and Tuesdays each week."
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 04:06 |
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I don't get what is so bad about this one, especially in comparison to the other three.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 04:09 |
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Kiwi Bigtree posted:I don't get what is so bad about this one, especially in comparison to the other three. Have you ever read a David Brooks column?
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 04:11 |
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Joementum posted:Have you ever read a David Brooks column? I figured it was something like that. I was just wondering why a columnist doing something massively ironic was worse than nazi-baiting, training children to be human shields, and misogyny, respectively.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 04:13 |
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Kiwi Bigtree posted:I don't get what is so bad about this one, especially in comparison to the other three. I can't think of anyone less qualified to teach a class like that than that smug motherfucker.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 04:14 |
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Kiwi Bigtree posted:I figured it was something like that. I was just wondering why a columnist doing something massively ironic was worse than nazi-baiting, training children to be human shields, and misogyny, respectively. It's the culmination of a decades long career. The cherry on top of the fifty scoop moralizing blowhard sundae.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 04:16 |
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Joementum posted:It's the culmination of a decades long career. The cherry on top of the fifty scoop moralizing blowhard sundae. Ah I get it now. Thanks.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 04:17 |
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Joementum posted:It's the culmination of a decades long career. The cherry on top of the fifty scoop moralizing blowhard sundae. Does this mean that, at the very least, he'll be too busy to write editorials? Please tell me this is the case. Lie to me if you have to. Hedera Helix fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Dec 20, 2012 |
# ? Dec 20, 2012 04:23 |
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Joementum posted:*Megan McArdle* Rush 'em. Train a pile of 5-year olds and a half-dozen teachers that they should charge a maniac with a rifle like it's Iwo Jima, 1944. loving hell, these people are from Mars.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 05:19 |
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Amused to Death posted:Man I thought the right-wing was going insane over any possible kind of gun regulation in response to Sandy Hook, boy was I wrong. They're attacking from all angles. The National review published an article blaming Sandy Hook on, well, women. Remember kids, while women, being frail and girly, die right away from being shot, manly men can charge a gunman and not get killed just as quickly because AGGRESSION!
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 05:23 |
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The notion that people died because there wasn't a man to stop the crazy man with the boomstick is hosed up on so many levels.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 05:45 |
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Lord Lambeth posted:The notion that people died because there wasn't a man to stop the crazy man with the boomstick is hosed up on so many levels. The most superficial being holy poo poo look at the kid who did it. This was not an issue of the principal being shot trying to overpower the shooter because she was a weak woman against a big strong man. This was an issue of the principal being shot because the shooter had a loving gun.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 05:50 |
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The best/worst part of that article is that it's not even loving true that there weren't any manly, husky, burly men around.quote:Kevin Anzellotti, the head custodian at Sandy Hook, is a man. Theodore Varga, a fourth grade teacher, also possesses XY chromosomes. I just did the research Allen didn't do, and it took all of fourteen seconds. Beyond that, though -- why does no one who writes this way look into the circumstances of other massacres? The second person shot by Jared Loughner was Gabe Zimmerman, an aide to Gabby Giffords who, hearing the gunshot that would cripple her, turned and stepped toward Loughner. The gunman shot Zimmerman in the head. The fourth person shot by Loughner was Giffords's aide Ron Barber, who survived shots to the cheek and groin. He was saved by John Roll, who lunged at the aide and was shot fatally in the back. Loughner did all of this in less than six seconds. Grown men in good health were cut down, because bullets move faster than people do. Her article also says that the manly men on Flight 93 were able to stop the terrorists, so why couldn't anyone stop Lanza? Yeah.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 05:56 |
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Joementum posted:The best/worst part of that article is that it's not even loving true that there weren't any manly, husky, burly men around. I genuinely wonder if there is an end point to the counter-narratives that come out of these situations. Like, if a gunman using legally purchased and modified weaponry opened fire in a traditionally conservative area with men between 25-35 who have a history of high school sports and are all currently carrying concealed firearms, what would they blame it on then?
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 06:00 |
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Myrdhale posted:Remember kids, while women, being frail and girly, die right away from being shot, manly men can charge a gunman and not get killed just as quickly because AGGRESSION! Manly aggression buffs my HP and DEF by 50% for 5 turns, allowing me to take more damage overall and less damage from bullets per hit. Unfortunately, this is a buff available to real men.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 06:15 |
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Kiwi Bigtree posted:I genuinely wonder if there is an end point to the counter-narratives that come out of these situations. They lacked the gumption and courage of the WWI generation, who were unafraid to stack up an entire town's worth of young men so that the next wave had cover to take out a single machine gun nest.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 06:19 |
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Zeroisanumber posted:They lacked the gumption and courage of the WWI generation, who were unafraid to stack up an entire town's worth of young men so that the next wave had cover to take out a single machine gun nest. Please, like they know enough about WWI to come up with that. Nah, the reaction will just be, "we'll obviously they weren't TRUE AMERICANS "
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 06:41 |
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Kiwi Bigtree posted:I genuinely wonder if there is an end point to the counter-narratives that come out of these situations. If only they had been legally allowed to carry fully automatic machine guns or better yet, rocket launchers.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 06:54 |
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As a male between the ages of 25 and 35 with college sports experience I know I am the first line of defense when danger comes to my town. I sit at the ready, lacrosse stick in hand, ready to strike down any armed gunmen with a barrage of well thrown lacrosse balls.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 06:58 |
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Oceanlife posted:As a male between the ages of 25 and 35 with college sports experience I know I am the first line of defense when danger comes to my town. I sit at the ready, lacrosse stick in hand, ready to strike down any armed gunmen with a barrage of well thrown lacrosse balls. The fondest desire of the Freeper is to shout "WOLVERINES!"
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 07:07 |
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Okay remember this right wing meme Well she isn't a teacher quote:There is a picture going around the Internet that I have seen about a dozen times today that claims that Israeli teachers are packing heat. Well, are they? The answer is “NO.” There may be some exceptions in dangerous areas like the West Bank (where five percent of Israelis live), but in general, Israeli teachers are not walking around like it’s the Wild Wild West, strapped with a six shooter. No, our teachers are not focused on shooting, but educating. That doesn’t mean, however, that we don’t protect young students.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 07:11 |
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Oceanlife posted:As a male between the ages of 25 and 35 with college sports experience I know I am the first line of defense when danger comes to my town. I sit at the ready, lacrosse stick in hand, ready to strike down any armed gunmen with a barrage of well thrown lacrosse balls. Please tell me you had 13 years of lacrosse at boarding school.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 07:12 |
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A Winner is Jew posted:Please tell me you had 13 years of lacrosse at boarding school. Did you not?
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 07:30 |
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Pope Guilty posted:Did you not? Who hasn't? EDIT: I mean, Real Americans, that is.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 07:41 |
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Maybe that will be the new right wing "if only!!!" gun meme: If only Tidus was there to save the day (and my heart) with his magical blitz balls!
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 07:43 |
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Mercury_Storm posted:Maybe that will be the new right wing "if only!!!" gun meme: If only Tidus was there to save the day (and my heart) with his magical blitz balls! I've seen the animation length on that shot, he'd never make it before being riddled full of holes.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 07:51 |
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Is there literally a book titled "The Joy of Hate" written by some Fox News shitstain? How are you not self aware at that point? I mean, if there was ever a movie, book, poem, short story, haiku, whatever, that was the story of Fox News, the most fitting name for the loving thing would be "Fox News: The Joy of Hate".
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 08:04 |
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GWBBQ posted:You know it's bad when it's as bad as Bill O'Reilly says it is. It's not though? That idiot brought a gun into Mexico and is surprised he got arrested? There are huge signs as you approach the border that say ALL GUNS ARE ILLEGAL DONT BRING GUNS HERE YOU WILL GO TO JAIL FOREVER. It's impossible to not know that you can't bring any guns at all into Mexico. They make it really really clear.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 08:35 |
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800peepee51doodoo posted:It's not though? That idiot brought a gun into Mexico and is surprised he got arrested? There are huge signs as you approach the border that say ALL GUNS ARE ILLEGAL DONT BRING GUNS HERE YOU WILL GO TO JAIL FOREVER. It's impossible to not know that you can't bring any guns at all into Mexico. They make it really really clear. According to some sites I've looked at, you can take a rifle into Mexico for hunting if you get the proper permits from Mexican authorities and follow some rules on what kind of weapon and how much ammo. The 'no gun' warnings might be to dissuade gun owners from just casually taking weapons with them.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 09:05 |
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Kiwi Bigtree posted:I don't get what is so bad about this one, especially in comparison to the other three. At this point, being a regular NYT columnist is a mark of Cain.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 09:08 |
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ufarn posted:The guy is an unironic Guilded Age apologist. You just have to read some things to believe them. I remember way back when Billy Kristol got shitcanned for being always wrong forever. People were like, holy cow is this the NYT finally waking up and realizing that giving column space to abject morons is not sound journalistic practice?? Then they announced that he would be replaced byyyyy *drumroll* Ross Douthat!
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 09:35 |
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quote:Star New York Times columnist and Jay-Z enthusiast David Brooks is taking his talents to New Haven. The Yale Herald's Bullblog noticed that every liberals' "favorite conservative" will be teaching a class in the spring titled just plain "Humility." Holy poo poo. What is the opposite of schadenfreude? Because I am experiencing it.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 10:59 |
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SedanChair posted:Holy poo poo. What is the opposite of schadenfreude? Because I am experiencing it. The project description sounds positively Friedman-esque.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 12:17 |
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I had trouble wrapping my mind around the modern ditto head. Libertarians and the old Goldwater style conservatives I understood. Even if I don't agree with their views I could at least relate to them, I could see a logical continuity. Dittoheads were another story. I lurk on various forums and went through the comment histories of people who would make the typical "rah rah, Republican" bullet points. I figured it would help me better understand them. In doing so I learned about their back stories and it was often times very sad, sometimes frustrating. I noticed they seemed to fall into certain groups. One of these posters actually had run for public office and was rallying against Obamacare, so I did a little research. I ended up labelling her group as the "tragic Dittoheads". When she was 19 her father, a union worker, died of cancer leaving her mother to fend for herself. To make ends meet her mother cut all unnecessary expenses, including health insurance and paying for her college. So she was forced to drop out of college and get a job to support her mother. Not even six months later her mom was hit by a car and remained in intensive care for several months, leaving the family completely broke from medical bills. Today, she is a stay at home mother with no degree and relies entirely on her husband to pay for her four kids. Was this an eye opening event that would lead her to champion social reform? Actually quite the opposite, While her husband at work she makes posts about how universal health care and free college would be disastrous. Want to hear about self sufficiency, she'll be glad to post walls of text about it. It's almost as if she can't admit failure of the system in her life so she doubles down on a system that destroyed her family. But often times the posters lives aren't sad so much as eye roll worthy. The next group I called the "Entitled Dittohead". One such poster kept talking about how we need to end the estate tax, cut the top marginal rate, bring government to size. Also, if you hold any type of debt or mortgage you should not be eligible to vote. Want to know his life story? According to public records his father, a doctor, gifted him a $750,000 house when he was in his early 20's. In order to pay for his lifestyle he took out a massive line of credit against the equity in the property. With this windfall he bought boats, cars, etc. Who knows what other support his family gave him that I can't easily look up in public data bases. After he got older his father helped him start up an IT security firm which works exclusively with, you guessed it, government contracts. Truly a self made man who doesn't need the government. Then the last type I noticed was the "I'm angry and I don't know why dittohead". There really wasn't too much back story to these guys, just a consistent theme of combativeness. In one thread a poster would be smugly chastising others for being bad with money, the next thread they would be arguing why their favorite TV show was better than the other person's TV show, then the next thread would be arguing some other banal point. They seemed to have a lot of time on their hands, according to the time stamps they were either posting from work or unemployed. They really seemed to need to find a place in the world they fit in. Aside from the entitled dittoheads I felt a lot of sympathy for the posters. The world has been rough to them and in their minds if only we would listen to Rush it would all be better. They know things like UHC and free college would enable them to live better lives, but maybe if they sacrifice just a little more a booming utopia is just around the corner. Oceanlife fucked around with this message at 12:22 on Dec 20, 2012 |
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Oceanlife, that was a great post. I'm more interested in the followers of right-wing media because I have family members who easily classify, and I know I have tendencies to run with the kind of cheerleading they do. This in particular spoke to me:Oceanlife posted:It's almost as if she can't admit failure of the system in her life so she doubles down on a system that destroyed her family. I've been trying to put that into words for years now.
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Oceanlife posted:When she was 19 her father, a union worker, died of cancer leaving her mother to fend for herself. To make ends meet her mother cut all unnecessary expenses, including health insurance and paying for her college. So she was forced to drop out of college and get a job to support her mother. Not even six months later her mom was hit by a car and remained in intensive care for several months, leaving the family completely broke from medical bills. Today, she is a stay at home mother with no degree and relies entirely on her husband to pay for her four kids. I believe the term you're looking for here is spite. Her family was fed into the meatgrinder of capitalism and ruined so why should some other family get off lightly from the same thing. I've seen the same out of my father, explicitly. Like hating on more people getting reasonable health care or retirement because "it makes the fool of us who did save/get insurance". Literally the stupidest of bootstrap mentality and pettiness beyond anything imaginable.
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# ? Dec 20, 2012 14:59 |
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Fox News interviews Santa, asks him if there's a War on Christmas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XApkZoPM25w
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