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I wish they still packed squads and transports together for a very minor discount. 
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Sour Blossom posted:I wish they still packed squads and transports together for a very minor discount. Battleforces seem to be the next best thing, though they're more likely to come with some extraneous poo poo you'll never use obviously.
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Dec 22, 2012 16:33
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One thing worth mentioning, as a couple people have said they are looking to start in the last page or so; you should be able to get 20% off list price from almost any online retailer or non-GW FLGS.
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Dec 22, 2012 16:41
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If you play with Forgeworld Eldar got quite a boost. Warp Hunters, Wraithseers, and Hornets (all located in Apoc 2nd edition) are quite good. It doesn't help the troops much, although a unit of troop wraithguard backed up by fortune, the 5+ cover save, and a wraithseer casting feel-no-pain is about the toughest objective sitter you can get.
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Dec 22, 2012 17:01
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I wasn't expecting to win very often anyway, but oh well, at least I'll have fun!  The guy who put together the 'My First Warhammer Army' for me also said, as optional extras if I was feeling spendy, add another battleforce, Howling Banshees and Rangers. Living in Aus makes acquiring affordable minis difficult, even online, but I have a few leads.
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Dec 22, 2012 17:02
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WhiteOutMouse posted:Are those chimeras heavy bolter turrets or are the multi-lasers pointed directly at the camera? Multi lasers. S6 is way better then AP4.
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Dec 22, 2012 17:11
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NTRabbit posted:The guy who put together the 'My First Warhammer Army' for me also said, as optional extras if I was feeling spendy, add another battleforce, Howling Banshees and Rangers. Not sure about Banshees, they used to be for raping Terminators, but now they can't even do that.
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Dec 22, 2012 17:21
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NTRabbit posted:I wasn't expecting to win very often anyway, but oh well, at least I'll have fun! This is the most insanely priced store I know of when you buy in bulk and don't mind waiting two-three weeks for it to arrive. http://stores.ebay.com.au/Discount-Warhammer-Fantasy-and-40K/Discount-Eldar-/_i.html?_fsub=2807887016&_sid=104011766&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322 Honourable mentions go to http://www.thecombatcompany.com/ and https://www.warpuppy.com.
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Dec 22, 2012 17:49
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Yeah Combat Company are where I'll probably end up. Thanks for the ebay link, another store someone found for me was this - http://www.geekgames.co/index.asp - anyone heard of them before? Eldar seem to be unpopular and frequently out of stock... I guess I've found out why. Planning to make it an Yme-Loc army, but instead of the normal orange-red with gray, I'm going to make them the most eye searing shade of safety orange known to man with a blue-grey or charcoal. I wasn't planning on getting the Banshees just yet. Reading this thread it sounded like close combat is out in 6th Ed. and I should concentrate on shooty things?
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Dec 22, 2012 18:35
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NTRabbit posted:I wasn't expecting to win very often anyway, but oh well, at least I'll have fun! Dark Angels are getting updated in January and after that I think people have said Chaos Daemons, but after that it's either going to be Tau or Eldar. They've also hinted at speeding up their release schedule (though that may just mean we're going to get more expansions between armies) so with any luck you'll have a nice new codex to fix the army's problems within a year.
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Dec 22, 2012 19:15
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NTRabbit posted:Eldar seem to be unpopular and frequently out of stock... I guess I've found out why. Planning to make it an Yme-Loc army, but instead of the normal orange-red with gray, I'm going to make them the most eye searing shade of safety orange known to man with a blue-grey or charcoal. Eldar are definitely better off with shooting. I like shining spears because of their speed and hit-and-run, but they are a bit points heavy. Perfect place to keep an autarch though! Other than that, striking scorpions edge out banshees in my opinion. They took a hit since you cannot assault when infiltrating, but they have a ton of S4 attacks. Banshees edge them out against Sv3 units, but not by much. Plus Karandras is a bad-rear end, even though all the phoenix lords are expensive.
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Dec 22, 2012 19:43
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IIRC the current rumors point to Dark Angels in January (pretty obvious now), Tau in the summer, with Eldar coming in November. Anything more than two-three months out is a bit of a crapshoot, though. A new Eldar book is about the only thing that could save me from starting a Heresy-era list.  VVV Yeah, probably in-between Dark Angels and Tau. bhsman fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Dec 22, 2012 |
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Dec 22, 2012 20:42
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Daemons are in there somewhere, probably before Tau.
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Dec 22, 2012 21:16
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Daemons are February if the rumours are right.
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Dec 22, 2012 21:24
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I've been having a really tough time playing Eldar recently. Other codices are just better. It becomes really apparent when you play an army like Necrons. They have so many solid choices and a load of neat special rules.
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Dec 22, 2012 21:43
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Regarding Eldar, my favorite lamentable aspect warriors, the swooping hawks, got a decent boost with the changes to grenades. Now a squad of them makes a pretty decent tank hunting unit with all those haywire grenades they can throw. They've been an effective substitute for the second fire dragon squad I would usually bring owing to their better mobility, and they're not such a one trick pony thanks to their decent volume of anti infantry fire. I still wouldn't call them good, but they're no longer totally useless.
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Dec 22, 2012 22:03
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Can't you only throw 1 grenade per unit though? I thought that was a rule in the main book?
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PeterWeller posted:Regarding Eldar, my favorite lamentable aspect warriors, the swooping hawks, got a decent boost with the changes to grenades. Now a squad of them makes a pretty decent tank hunting unit with all those haywire grenades they can throw. They've been an effective substitute for the second fire dragon squad I would usually bring owing to their better mobility, and they're not such a one trick pony thanks to their decent volume of anti infantry fire. I still wouldn't call them good, but they're no longer totally useless. gently caress their models though.
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The Gate posted:Can't you only throw 1 grenade per unit though? I thought that was a rule in the main book? You can only throw one grenade as a shooting attack, but everyone can throw grenades in CC. Rapey Joe Stalin posted:gently caress their models though. They're still pretty nice; it's just that the scourge models are so, so, so much nicer.
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Dec 22, 2012 23:41
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PeterWeller posted:You can only throw one grenade as a shooting attack, but everyone can throw grenades in CC. Ah yeah, that's what I thought you were talking about.
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Dec 22, 2012 23:51
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The Gate posted:Ah yeah, that's what I thought you were talking about. Yeah, sorry. I know 'throw' is kinda vague, but 'attach' or 'place' don't seem appropriate.
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Dec 22, 2012 23:53
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Tommofork posted:This is the most insanely priced store I know of when you buy in bulk and don't mind waiting two-three weeks for it to arrive. I find that this place has comparable prices but cheaper shipping than that. You basically buy "bitz" that is an entire sprue. I'm not sure what the angle is, but you end up with all the sprues and instructions but without the cardboard box, for the cheapest price I know of.
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Dec 23, 2012 00:01
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40k is basically in stasis for me until Eldar get updated. All my stuff is really old (like 2nd edition old) and its now to the point where not only is my force hilariously bad, it's not even fun to play casually. Rather than trying to eke out a manageable list and spend the money needed to do that, I'm just waiting for their eventual update and the slew of amazing new models that will hopefully come with it. Seeing all that gorgeous stuff the Dark Eldar got, I really hope we get half as nice a release.
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Ashcans posted:40k is basically in stasis for me until Eldar get updated. All my stuff is really old (like 2nd edition old) and its now to the point where not only is my force hilariously bad, it's not even fun to play casually. Rather than trying to eke out a manageable list and spend the money needed to do that, I'm just waiting for their eventual update and the slew of amazing new models that will hopefully come with it. A friend from my club is in exactly the same situation. Tons of stuff, very little choice in how to field anything that can stand up to flyers, mech cheap infantry, Long Fang Spam and IG steel wave. Though it may soothe you to know that while Dark eldar got many and gorgeous models, we also got kicked in the teeth rather hard by 6th edition. Assuming you want to play something other than Blasterborn Venomspam backed by Ravagers/Razorwings.
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LordAba posted:If you play with Forgeworld Eldar got quite a boost. Warp Hunters, Wraithseers, and Hornets (all located in Apoc 2nd edition) are quite good. It doesn't help the troops much, although a unit of troop wraithguard backed up by fortune, the 5+ cover save, and a wraithseer casting feel-no-pain is about the toughest objective sitter you can get. The Doom of Mynmara list from Forge World is actually really strong and fun- it's got good troops, lots of options in almost every slot and every role and access to "basic" Eldar units in limited quantities, in case you wanna run some Aspect Warriors or whatever. Its only real problem is that its HQs are a bit underwhelming, but aside from that it's good stuff in pretty much every slot. Well, there's also the whole "spending a billion dollars on FW or converting up a small horde of dudes" issue, but... Sour Blossom posted:I wish they still packed squads and transports together for a very minor discount. quote:A friend and I played some of the Dark Vengeance intro missions last night and he fell in love with the game and wants to play Chaos Space Marines. What would be the best way to build up an army using the units that came with DV? Should he just go for the Battleforce or just buy a tank and a couple of more troops for a few 500-750 point games?
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NTRabbit posted:I wasn't expecting to win very often anyway, but oh well, at least I'll have fun! Blackcultist.com.au is reasonable for gw stuff in aus.
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Just an FYI. We are starting a new Hobby Progress Challenge for 2013. If this is your type of thing, we are going to have prizes at the end of the year. Last years prizes were a couple of really nice KR cases and foam. http://theindependentcharacters.com/blog/?p=2378
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AgentF posted:I find that this place has comparable prices but cheaper shipping than that. You basically buy "bitz" that is an entire sprue. I'm not sure what the angle is, but you end up with all the sprues and instructions but without the cardboard box, for the cheapest price I know of. Cataphract posted:Blackcultist.com.au is reasonable for gw stuff in aus. Thanks fellas. Today I learned that the cloak of the Honoured Imperium statue is literally a scaled up cloak from the Chaos Warrios fantasy sprue. A couple of cracks and voila! It made me realise that I would buy the poo poo out of choice peices scaled up to Inquisitor size for display pieces. A 54mm Ork Warboss... 
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Sephyr posted:A friend from my club is in exactly the same situation. Tons of stuff, very little choice in how to field anything that can stand up to flyers, mech cheap infantry, Long Fang Spam and IG steel wave. Not really  While I am stupid jealous of Dark Eldar's new models, they had to wait like a decade for them with only those terrible starter-box sculpts to work with. They totally deserved a period of both amazing looks and killer gameplay.
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Just learned that vehicles (without any special rules to the contrary) can never deny objectives - so no more late game Tank Shock, no more early game Drop Pod denial, and that Dreadnaught (Hellbrute?) better finish off that squad before that game ends of they'll hold the objective anyway... 6th edition is still finding new ways to make me hate it! Bonus Anecdote: Got my Thousand Sons charged by a CSM unit, his champion had to challenge with his Power Axe, my sorcerer had to accept with his Force Sword - killed the champ before he got to swing, Dark Apotheosis'd into a Demon Prince (lowering his invuln save and losing his spell) leaving the Thousand Sons to lose their combat and running over to get impaled on the Force Sword of an enemy Sorcerer - eternal warrior no longer, thanks for playing!
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ForeverFlashlight posted:Just learned that vehicles (without any special rules to the contrary) can never deny objectives - so no more late game Tank Shock, no more early game Drop Pod denial, and that Dreadnaught (Hellbrute?) better finish off that squad before that game ends of they'll hold the objective anyway... Tank shocks can still work and drop pods are very nice movement blockers since he has to stay 1" away from the hull. That new boon table is silly fluffwise and a PITA gamewise.
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ForeverFlashlight posted:Just learned that vehicles (without any special rules to the contrary) can never deny objectives - so no more late game Tank Shock, no more early game Drop Pod denial, and that Dreadnaught (Hellbrute?) better finish off that squad before that game ends of they'll hold the objective anyway... I'm sorry man but bitter people will always be bitter. Most people like it that vehicles can't score/deny and I'm not sure why you would abandon the 1k son unit if you think he was needed, and then move him towards a force weapon...
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Ghost Hand posted:Just an FYI. We are starting a new Hobby Progress Challenge for 2013. Well, guess I gotta do something with my two DV boxes worth of Dark Angels!
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I heard that Eldar were due for an update, and that new models in boxes were already sitting in warehouses, and was going to wait for that... but was advised that "update coming soon" could mean anything from 2 months to 2 years, based on GW history, so get something fun, using mostly generic troops that aren't likely to change models much, and I won't have wasted any money if the update does come quickly. If anyone has any other suggestions for Babby's first army though, I'm all ears.
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NTRabbit posted:I heard that Eldar were due for an update, and that new models in boxes were already sitting in warehouses, and was going to wait for that... but was advised that "update coming soon" could mean anything from 2 months to 2 years, based on GW history, so get something fun, using mostly generic troops that aren't likely to change models much, and I won't have wasted any money if the update does come quickly. Play what you like, Baby's first army though would be anything in Power Armor. The good toughness, armor, and leadership make them a great place to start. Mobility and some of the more subtle tricks make them not boring as you get better at the game.
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AbusePuppy posted:I thought it was really weird they discontinued that immediately too. I mean, it's like a perfect example of how to do a combo-pack successfully- two things that are pretty much always used together and it saves them on packaging/shipping costs while saving the consumer some dollars in return. But I guess it was a one-time-only thing for some reason. GW are allergic to the idea of anything other than buying a single box at a time for full retail price. The battleforces only exist because they need to have SOMETHING to offer mum when she asks what would be a good Christmas or birthday present.
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Ghost Hand posted:Just an FYI. We are starting a new Hobby Progress Challenge for 2013. Well I have just paint stripped and resprayed a lot of Necrons... Hopefully this one will go better than my Dark Eldar attempt!
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SRM posted:Well, guess I gotta do something with my two DV boxes worth of Dark Angels! Plus you can "double dip" with the Oath Thread here. I know I plan to.
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