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Okay that was definitely the best place that conversation could have gone.
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The autoresponder pile doesn't stop from getting taller. And neither does the list of people hating on the autoresponder pile.
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Dec 23, 2012 03:47
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So that part of the ring does work for humans. Interesting. I bet for Christmas we're going to see Dirk beating the poo poo out of something using a fancy santa.
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Dec 23, 2012 03:49
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Bongo Bill posted:So that part of the ring does work for humans. Interesting. As much as the timetables worked, or the needles. It's a placebo. Roxy likes long-winded wizard fic so there's pretty much no way she never read Lord of the Rings, she knows what weird magic rings do when you put them on, and it's helped by the fact that it's the intended purpose of the ring anyway.
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Dec 23, 2012 03:52
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Freudian posted:As much as the timetables worked, or the needles. It's a placebo. Roxy likes long-winded wizard fic so there's pretty much no way she never read Lord of the Rings, she knows what weird magic rings do when you put them on, and it's helped by the fact that it's the intended purpose of the ring anyway. I like this idea better.
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Dec 23, 2012 03:52
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Torokasi posted:And neither does the list of people hating on the autoresponder pile. Aw, we hate the autoresponder?  Since when?
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Dec 23, 2012 04:22
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Plom Bar posted:Aw, we hate the autoresponder? I think he was referring to the characters. Everybody has pretty much given Lil' Hal sass at this point.
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Dec 23, 2012 04:25
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Freudian posted:As much as the timetables worked, or the needles. It's a placebo. Roxy likes long-winded wizard fic so there's pretty much no way she never read Lord of the Rings, she knows what weird magic rings do when you put them on, and it's helped by the fact that it's the intended purpose of the ring anyway. I think the timetables actually worked, because Gamzee was able to use Aradia's. All of the magic paraphernalia we've seen so far-- Rose's various needles and Eridan's wand-- were placebos, though, and I wouldn't be surprised if the ring falls into that category for Roxy.
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Dec 23, 2012 04:26
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Cabbit posted:I think the timetables actually worked, because Gamzee was able to use Aradia's. When did this happen? During one of the flash games? I was rereading all of it earlier and I didn't see it.
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Dec 23, 2012 04:31
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RBA Starblade posted:When did this happen? During one of the flash games? I was rereading all of it earlier and I didn't see it. When he first showed up in Jane's land, I believe, he was flanked by Aradia's timetables.
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Dec 23, 2012 04:34
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Cabbit posted:I think the timetables actually worked, because Gamzee was able to use Aradia's. All of the magic paraphernalia we've seen so far-- Rose's various needles and Eridan's wand-- were placebos, though, and I wouldn't be surprised if the ring falls into that category for Roxy. Well that just speaks even more to my theory - Aradia's music boxes and the Ring of Void both appear to be an odd sort of placebo that actually has functionality. Sort of like a blinker stone in Gunnerkrigg Court, actually - a cross between a focus and training wheels for the powers within.
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Dec 23, 2012 04:43
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Now I'm pretty sure he's keeping the name Lil' Hal after all, which is nice, as Auto-Responder just creates confusion when abbreviated. Freudian posted:Well that just speaks even more to my theory - Aradia's music boxes and the Ring of Void both appear to be an odd sort of placebo that actually has functionality. Sort of like a blinker stone in Gunnerkrigg Court, actually - a cross between a focus and training wheels for the powers within. This is my thought as well, although I'd probably lump the wands in with them too. Which reminds me, I still really want to know if Rose is ever going to use a wand again, if she literally has zero use for them now, or if she doesn't even have access or want of that magic any more. What would she do in a strife?
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Dec 23, 2012 05:23
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Midnight Raider posted:Now I'm pretty sure he's keeping the name Lil' Hal after all, which is nice, as Auto-Responder just creates confusion when abbreviated. John currently has the Needlekind specibus, for what it's worth.
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Dec 23, 2012 05:31
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Perhaps John will return Rose her Strife Specibus when they meet. Terezi might not have hit God Tier, but even with a likely reduced role in combat while conducting the battle with the Black King she likely still had her weapon and could use it if pressed. Rose will probably have the Quills of Echidna at her disposal if she wanted them. And some yarn.
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Dec 23, 2012 05:32
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Somehow something as mundane as returning a strife specibus seems beneath the plot by this point, like if Rose wants to use some needles in a fight to cast some majyyyks who is a specibus to tell her she can't? On the other hand adherence to this sort of arbitrary plot shenanigans is a hallmark of Homestuck at times, so who knows. Anyway! Let's get back to poo poo that people care about, and that is the update! My guess here is Roxy's about to buzz all her friends and get similar "I'm busy sulking and don't have time for your very important information!" responses. Either that or this is the point where the Auto Responder goes from amusing Dirk-related entity to increasingly troubling Dirk-related problem. What I'm really curious about is whether the Condesce ordered the Droll to deliver that ring because she intended Roxy to escape so that she can incidentally/accidentally carry out the mission the Condesce gave her, or whether the Dignitary gave the order because he wants to prevent the Condesce from getting Roxy to fulfill that mission.
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Dec 23, 2012 06:39
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Freudian posted:As much as the timetables worked, or the needles. It's a placebo. Roxy likes long-winded wizard fic so there's pretty much no way she never read Lord of the Rings, she knows what weird magic rings do when you put them on, and it's helped by the fact that it's the intended purpose of the ring anyway. I'm pretty sure the time tables and etc. did actually work. It seems like conscious, directed control of one's aspect as a non-God Tier player requires some sort of focus for you to do it with (Rose scrying with a crystal ball, Dave and Aradia's time travel devices, even Eridan's science stick enabling him to become the Destroyer of Hope), and one of the big perks of God Tier is full mastery over your aspect. I suspect rather than it being a Michael Jordan's Magic Water thing, the ring is just allowing Roxy to tap her Void powers by virtue of its being a powerful Void-related artifact.
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Dec 23, 2012 08:45
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For a brief, glorious second there I saw Lil Hal's red text at the end and thought it was Dave hanging out with Dirk 
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Dec 23, 2012 09:23
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Android Blues posted:I'm pretty sure the time tables and etc. did actually work. It seems like conscious, directed control of one's aspect as a non-God Tier player requires some sort of focus for you to do it with (Rose scrying with a crystal ball, Dave and Aradia's time travel devices, even Eridan's science stick enabling him to become the Destroyer of Hope), and one of the big perks of God Tier is full mastery over your aspect. I suspect rather than it being a Michael Jordan's Magic Water thing, the ring is just allowing Roxy to tap her Void powers by virtue of its being a powerful Void-related artifact. Except for when John did the Windy Thing. I guess you could argue he wasn't directing it because he didn't really know what he was doing but he was trying to do it at the time. Edit: Ah, but Terezi didn't need anything to look into her Minds Eye and shes definately no God Tier.
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Dec 23, 2012 09:55
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Nephthys posted:Except for when John did the Windy Thing. I guess you could argue he wasn't directing it because he didn't really know what he was doing but he was trying to do it at the time. Well, I dunno, it's not rock solid but I feel like you can probably make a partial exception for the Heir, whose whole deal as a class seems to be falling unawares into their power (Equius' unwitting zone of Void is similar), and even then when John does it it's under great duress and at a huge moment of climax etc etc. Once he hits God Tier, he can just blow things around with wind no trouble, pick up a car or bore through the planet. The actual scale of what he does with The Breeze in all three cases is pretty similar, but his ease of access to it and level of control is much greater once he's God Tier. Terezi is a strange case because we don't have a God Tier Seer of Mind to compare to, but you could probably argue that her focus is her coin - or maybe intuiting behavioral futures is just a baseline Seer of Mind power similar to Dave's mental knack for time, and the fully realised Seer of Mind does something way crazier.
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Dec 23, 2012 10:47
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Android Blues posted:Well, I dunno, it's not rock solid but I feel like you can probably make a partial exception for the Heir, whose whole deal as a class seems to be falling unawares into their power (Equius' unwitting zone of Void is similar), and even then when John does it it's under great duress and at a huge moment of climax etc etc. Once he hits God Tier, he can just blow things around with wind no trouble, pick up a car or bore through the planet. The actual scale of what he does with The Breeze in all three cases is pretty similar, but his ease of access to it and level of control is much greater once he's God Tier. I think all the Class/Aspect combos are capable of subconsciously tapping into their powers pre-God Tier under the right circumstances. John did a Windy thing twice (once to put out the burning Salamander village, and then to put out the entire planet), Jane did a Lifey thing to resurrect her dreamself, Roxy has a permanent Void bubble following her...I can't think of any other circumstances offhand, but I'm pretty sure all the players can do it, rather than a particular class.
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Dec 23, 2012 13:07
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Am I the only one who isn't really looking forward to more Dirk? I know he's one of the new main characters and all, but I really, really don't want to see more of him, or any of his clones and whatnot.
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Dec 23, 2012 13:32
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Arthur Crackpot posted:I think all the Class/Aspect combos are capable of subconsciously tapping into their powers pre-God Tier under the right circumstances. John did a Windy thing twice (once to put out the burning Salamander village, and then to put out the entire planet), Jane did a Lifey thing to resurrect her dreamself, Roxy has a permanent Void bubble following her...I can't think of any other circumstances offhand, but I'm pretty sure all the players can do it, rather than a particular class. Yeah, that sounds right. I guess I just mean that all the aspect-themed power enablers we've seen serve a purpose and aren't just Miracle Water. Access to aspect powers actually seems really pretty limited pre-God Tier, with characters generally only using them with a focus, in times of great duress, or unwittingly, sometimes a combination of the latter two. I think Terezi is the only exception to those.
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Dec 23, 2012 13:34
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Roland Jones posted:Am I the only one who isn't really looking forward to more Dirk? I know he's one of the new main characters and all, but I really, really don't want to see more of him, or any of his clones and whatnot. You're nuts, Dirk owns.
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Roland Jones posted:Am I the only one who isn't really looking forward to more Dirk? I know he's one of the new main characters and all, but I really, really don't want to see more of him, or any of his clones and whatnot. I am looking forward to more Dirk, not so much more "Autoresponder answers every chat instead of Dirk".
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Dec 23, 2012 14:07
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The way we're zooming into LOTAK suggests we're about to catch a glimpse of Equirk. Or whoever Dirk's sprite is. Oh, and Dirk too, whom we haven't seen yet this act. My fond hope is that for Christmas we'll get to see him showing why fncysntakind is the deadliest kind of all. Dolash posted:What I'm really curious about is whether the Condesce ordered the Droll to deliver that ring because she intended Roxy to escape so that she can incidentally/accidentally carry out the mission the Condesce gave her, or whether the Dignitary gave the order because he wants to prevent the Condesce from getting Roxy to fulfill that mission. If it'd been the Condesce, the stuff would've been waiting there for her with or in the folder, and she wouldn't have delivered it specifically by means of the Courtyard Droll. For her, any old Dersite guard would do the trick, since she knows Roxy couldn't see them and wouldn't know any of them from Adam if she could. Only DD seems to realize that of all the erstwhile Midnight Crew members, CD is the only one who always, always completes his mission (though often his superiors come to wish he hadn't).
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Android Blues posted:Terezi is a strange case because we don't have a God Tier Seer of Mind to compare to, but you could probably argue that her focus is her coin - or maybe intuiting behavioral futures is just a baseline Seer of Mind power similar to Dave's mental knack for time, and the fully realised Seer of Mind does something way crazier. Terezi's focus is acting out lovely courtroom dramas where she is the hero. Bongo Bill posted:The way we're zooming into LOTAK suggests we're about to catch a glimpse of Equirk. Or whoever Dirk's sprite is. Oh, and Dirk too, whom we haven't seen yet this act. My fond hope is that for Christmas we'll get to see him showing why fncysntakind is the deadliest kind of all. Personally I was hoping we might get something resembling Gristmas, at least by 13-1-5, what with all the sweet weaponised loot our nobles have been ordered to create. Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Dec 23, 2012 |
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Dec 23, 2012 14:55
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And now, your regular tumblr-is-stupid reminder: Tumblr is convinced Dirk is depressed about the breakup with Jake, is standing on the edge of his roof, and is about to jump.
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Dec 23, 2012 16:46
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Bobulus posted:And now, your regular tumblr-is-stupid reminder: To be fair we're still missing the "Hey, forum, I'm going to kill myself! Talk me out of it" type internet people.
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Dec 23, 2012 17:13
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Popo posted:To be fair we're still missing the "Hey, forum, I'm going to kill myself! Talk me out of it" type internet people. quote:CRONUS: vwelp.
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Dec 23, 2012 17:23
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Bobulus posted:Tumblr is convinced Dirk is [...] about to jump. Hmm. "Clarence" has eight letters and starts with a C... another Cherub incoming???
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Dec 23, 2012 17:36
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Bobulus posted:And now, your regular tumblr-is-stupid reminder: Oh damnit. I don't even use Tumblr and thought the same thing. Mostly because I think you can see him on the right most corner of the panel. That and he seems extremely clingy. But also he has jumped off a building before and lived (as seen in a flash).
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Dec 23, 2012 17:38
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IUG posted:Oh damnit. I don't even use Tumblr and thought the same thing. Mostly because I think you can see him on the right most corner of the panel. That and he seems extremely clingy. But also he has jumped off a building before and lived (as seen in a flash). It's sort of a Strider tradition to use the roof as a meditation zone/arena. Maybe he is just thinking over his recent actions? Maybe waiting for a suitable sparring partner?
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Dec 23, 2012 18:01
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Bobulus posted:And now, your regular tumblr-is-stupid reminder: Didn't they also think that Jane was committing suicide when she SADJUMPed to her house?
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Dec 23, 2012 19:11
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Considering he's lived all his life relatively alone in the middle of the ocean in a world run by Fish Hitler, I think if Dirk was the kind of person to commit suicide, he would have done it already.
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Dec 23, 2012 19:47
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I didn't think he'd be committing suicide. Just that he'd jump off the building, since that seems to be a Thing He Does, thanks to that one act flash.
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Dec 24, 2012 01:03
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If past actions are any precedent, Dirk standing on the edge of the room means he's sleeping. Probably getting all sorts of intel that he won't bother to share with anyone else, because he's kind of a control freak.
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Dec 24, 2012 01:16
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Bobulus posted:If past actions are any precedent, Dirk standing on the edge of the room means he's sleeping.
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Dec 24, 2012 07:45
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Bobulus posted:If past actions are any precedent, Dirk standing on the edge of the room means he's sleeping. Probably getting all sorts of intel that he won't bother to share with anyone else, because he's kind of a control freak. Except he's down to one life now. Technically he already committed suicide. 
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Dec 24, 2012 18:06
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Mystic Mongol posted:I thought you needed to have your dream self intact to go God Tier. Not for the quest slabs in the center of prospit and derse. That's how Dave and Rose went god tier, though the required parameters were never clear until now.
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