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A.o.D. posted:I understand this phenomenon and have dealt with it first hand. I'm not an engineer, but I am a technician of (if I may brag) some accomplishment. Sometimes I work on something that was built by a genius who understands that even the best made things break and understands what it takes to put things back in order. Having a car designed for manufacture on an assembly line is not mutually inclusive with ease of disassembly and maintenance. Blame the managers and finance people who try to squeeze every last dime out of their product by forcing the engineers to work within their design constraints of minimizing initial cost.
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Giblet Plus! posted:As an engineer, let me explain this phenomenon: That's true but the other issue is that service is really a secondary goal, the primary goal is getting the car together on the assembly line with as few quality control issues as possible. It gets even worse if something gets revised late in the design cycle to address something found in testing. Often something needs to be fixed while affecting as little around it as possible to keep costs down. You see a lot of manufacturers fixing issues in software now that might've meant a recall and replacement of major components 15-20 years ago. Also, nobody's boss is going to be impressed by the engineer who makes the car easier to work on but makes it harder to assemble by workers who range from incredibly skilled line workers to knuckleheads who may very well be high or drunk.
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A friend of mine is looking into S197's, and I was just curious if there was any general recommendations. Years to avoid? Failure prone parts to look out for?
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Dec 17, 2012 15:02
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Dealer's service shops need to make money too. If you want easy to change plugs buy a straight 6 you babies. I usually stay out of helping friends buy cars. You can only lose, never gain friendship that way. Learn to say nice things no matter what they buy. That is what people want.
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Elephanthead posted:Dealer's service shops need to make money too. If you want easy to change plugs buy a straight 6 you babies. Someone earlier in this thread mentioned something about the new 1L 3cyl ecoboost and with the rumors of IRS, what hath ford wrought? 
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SanitysEdge posted:Someone earlier in this thread mentioned something about the new 1L 3cyl ecoboost and with the rumors of IRS, what hath ford wrought? Watch the plugs be situated between the engine block and the firewall and require that the whole engine get pulled in order to perform a tune-up.
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Dec 18, 2012 02:48
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Got em down to 1.5k below invoice plus 1500 bucks in incentives. Think I can go lower?
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Locobono posted:Got em down to 1.5k below invoice plus 1500 bucks in incentives. Think I can go lower? So, you talked them down to MSRP included what was already ordered? Awesome!
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Viggen posted:So, you talked them down to MSRP included what was already ordered? Awesome! Sarcasm? Not sure. Anyway the invoice price is about six grand below MSRP, FYI.
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Locobono posted:Sarcasm? Not sure. Pretty sure it was. Keep them dangling until after the first. I bet they'll offer lower.
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Viggen posted:Pretty sure it was. Keep them dangling until after the first. I bet they'll offer lower. Good advice. When do the 14's drop?
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Locobono posted:Good advice. When do the 14's drop? March usually unless there's an issue. edit: You should be able to beat invoice at this stage of the game, a '13 is already almost a year old. I paid invoice + 500 on a dealer ordered '11
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kronix posted:March usually unless there's an issue. Like I said, right now they've agreed to more than 2500 below invoice.
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Optioning one with the 3.73's is a killer. Really reduces the field. Is it possible / advisable to get the 3.73 diff installed aftermarket?
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Locobono posted:Optioning one with the 3.73's is a killer. Really reduces the field. Is it possible / advisable to get the 3.73 diff installed aftermarket? its like an $600 job in labor alone. Ive heard 3.55 is comparable if you can find that. 3.31 is bleh though. My dream mustang is just a non premium with recaro and 3.73, thats it... I dont need upgraded brakes. its $30,000 delivered, if i could get $1500 under invoice and $1500 with the rebate for $27000 that would be awesome.
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coolskillrex remix posted:its like an $600 job in labor alone. Ive heard 3.55 is comparable if you can find that. 3.31 is bleh though. The dealer found ONE vehicle optioned with nav+3.73s and it has the brembos and backup sensor I don't care about. Looks like I'll be ordering a '14 and waiting.
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coolskillrex remix posted:its like an $600 job in labor alone. Ive heard 3.55 is comparable if you can find that. 3.31 is bleh though. Agreed, I actually ordered my 2011 with the 3.55 gears because they trap better quarter mile times stock than the 3.73s. The 3.73s require an extra shift into 5th whereas the 3.55s (stock) don't need 5th. Not sure if the extra 8 horsepower changes anything.
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Yeah, it doesn't seem like the difference between the 3.55 and 3.71 is very much for the GT. 
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oRenj9 posted:Yeah, it doesn't seem like the difference between the 3.55 and 3.71 is very much for the GT. Looks like the point is moot. There aren't any around with the options I want and the factory is shutting down to retool for the 2014 model year. So any car I order wouldn't even show up until April.
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As legendary as the 3.73 rear gears are, it's time for people with newer Mustangs to realize that those 3.90 rear gears are the "new" 3.73. The entire point of the 3.73 was to outperform the best factory option. Now that the 3.73's are a factory option, the 3.90 will really wake up the newer Mustang. And keep it driveable on a daily basis. Plus it's a great way to get 4.10 performance and 3.73 gas mileage.
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I think I'm going to order some new headlight housings for my car. Are there any specific brands or aftermarket bits I should be looking at? Mine are heavily fogged and I want to just swap in some new ones. I've seen other '99-'04 Mustangs rolling around with what appear to be very clear housings with a black backing - what are those? Edit: I guess they're cobra lights?  And, actually, it appears that it's just the '01-04 style - they apparently replaced the chrome insert with a black insert. Any bad stories about LRS? http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/item/LRS-13008I-K/01-04-Mustang-Factory-Tinted-Headlight-Kit This looks reasonable, and the video showing the guy installing it makes it look like it's decent fitment. Krakkles fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Dec 23, 2012 |
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Devyl posted:As legendary as the 3.73 rear gears are, it's time for people with newer Mustangs to realize that those 3.90 rear gears are the "new" 3.73. The entire point of the 3.73 was to outperform the best factory option. Now that the 3.73's are a factory option, the 3.90 will really wake up the newer Mustang. And keep it driveable on a daily basis. Plus it's a great way to get 4.10 performance and 3.73 gas mileage. You must really like shifting a lot.
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Did Ford change any specs in the Brembo pieces for GTs from 2012-2013? I'm gonna pick up some Hawk HP Plus brake pads for track days, but their catalog only lists 2012 Brembo GT (I have 2013 Brembos). Standard '13 GT brakes are the same as '12 Brembo? I gotta call these guys I guess. Longpig Bard fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Dec 24, 2012 |
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The T5 gearing is awful in my SN95 5.0. 4th and 5th gear are way too close, it feels like it should have a 6th gear.
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I have a new problem, I have a set of those all-in-one key + fob for my ride. one set works perfectly, I can remotely unlock/lock the doors and get in and start the car. my other set unlocks/locks the doors and when I get in to start the car, the car wont turn over. I called up my dealer and explained I had a broken key, and the secuirty IKT label that comes with new car keys so I can get repaired or a replacement key. When I talked to my dealers service department and they said it would be about $108 to reprogram the key with their hourly rate. I then called my dealers parts department and they said it would be $98 for a new key + programming fee would be $150. Is there Somewhere on one of fords websites, where I can plug in the IKT security label and the vin of my car and order a new key and avoid these retarded jacked up dealer prices? which involves no more than 10 seconds of work to do?
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kalvick posted:I have a new problem, I have a set of those all-in-one key + fob for my ride. Assuming you've got an '01, like your posts seem to indicate... http://mustangforums.com/forum/4-6l-1996-2004-modular-mustang/573325-how-to-program-a-pats-key.html (requires you to have two original keys)
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yup, I got 2 original keys, but one of them stopped working!
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kalvick posted:yup, I got 2 original keys, but one of them stopped working! (two original working keys)
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I have searched for about 2 hours today, looking for places to sell reprogrammed keys. I just cringe at the fact that I am about to be out 100 to 150 bucks to clone a key that the dealer is gonna make in less than 5 min. 
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kalvick posted:I have searched for about 2 hours today, looking for places to sell reprogrammed keys. I just cringe at the fact that I am about to be out 100 to 150 bucks to clone a key that the dealer is gonna make in less than 5 min.
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Locobono posted:You must really like shifting a lot. You weren't talking to me, but I must confess, I love to shift.
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Locobono posted:You must really like shifting a lot. Not a problem if you choose the better performing, more reliable, stronger transmission. 
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frozenphil posted:Not a problem if you choose the better performing, more reliable, stronger transmission. You may have a point, but it seems like women are still impressed by man who knows how to drive a manual and I need all the help I can get.
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Bumming Your Scene posted:Did Ford change any specs in the Brembo pieces for GTs from 2012-2013? I'm gonna pick up some Hawk HP Plus brake pads for track days, but their catalog only lists 2012 Brembo GT (I have 2013 Brembos). Yeah that is the right part number for the brembo pad that's on a bunch of other cars too. Although if you are looking for a track day pad the hp+ isn't a very good one one. DTC-60 would be better if you want Hawks (and if you need a place to buy them from let me know). jamal fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Dec 26, 2012 |
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Mustangs are the best snow cars.
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This listing just melted my face off: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/The-Original-JBA-Dominator-Mustang-Own-a-piece-of-Fox-Body-history-Ford-1989-/281041517078
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kimbo305 posted:This listing just melted my face off: I mean, it is a piece of Fox Body history, but not a $49k piece of it. They could probably get that if they wait for Barrett-Jackson, though. Those old morons love overpaying for gaudy cars with history.
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http://www.streetfire.net/video/steering-angle-on-foxbody-drift-car-project_2002314.htm I want this.
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kimbo305 posted:This listing just melted my face off: That's a great way to waste $48,000. It's horrible and looks like a bloated puffer fish that's been washed up on the beach shoreline and sitting in the sun for 3 days while seagulls slowly circle around and begin pecking at the dead, gaseous-filled puffer fish body.
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Devyl posted:That's a great way to waste $48,000. It's horrible and looks like a bloated puffer fish that's been washed up on the beach shoreline and sitting in the sun for 3 days while seagulls slowly circle around and begin pecking at the dead, gaseous-filled puffer fish body. And it's ugly, too.
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