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David Frum posted:Over the past generation, American society has closed route after route into the middle class. Wages are stagnant, upward mobility has slowed, job security has deteriorated, higher education has become more expensive, and two-parent families have dwindled. Meanwhile, we have opened more and more roads to self-harm. Must we now open another?
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The fact that David Frum's poo poo pieces were actually published by Newsweek demonstrates pretty well why nobody liked them. Him and Niall Ferguson both odious morons that they regularly gave space for which they browbeat the reader from for not holding the same views as themselves, given the magazine's center-left (by American standards at least) political stance.
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Dec 30, 2012 02:47
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Crasscrab posted:The fact that David Frum's poo poo pieces were actually published by Newsweek demonstrates pretty well why nobody liked them. Him and Niall Ferguson both odious morons that they regularly gave space for which they browbeat the reader from for not holding the same views as themselves, given the magazine's center-left (by American standards at least) political stance. Every time one of my profs would make us read an article by Ferguson on how American military hegemony was totally the best thing that ever happened to the planet, or about how sad we should all be that the cold war was over, presenting it as a valid, thoughtful viewpoint, I would die a little inside. His reaction to this election has been the sweetest of sweet conservative tears.
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Dec 30, 2012 03:01
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lil mortimer posted:1340 AM from 9 to 10 AM during the week. I'm in Palm Beach County, though, and the show broadcasts from Lake Worth. I don't know if you guys get it. I put this on on my laptop to see what sort of filth it was, then fell asleep. Woke up to some racist ranting, thought it was some other thing I listened to and almost threw my laptop across the room in a fit of anger.
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Dec 30, 2012 03:02
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Those of you hating on Frum are ignoring the fact that he's one of the few NeoCons to develop an actual brain and thought process against the current GOP. Hell, he posted that NY Mag piece on the GOP being so drat crazy before the election, and all he has done since is advocate for the party to stop being such a bunch of insane blowhards. He's pro-gay marriage and pro-environment, which is better than the vast majority of his party. Don't bully the lesser of two evils here. Do you really want the Mark Levins of the world having more say over the GOP than the Frums? Hint: One is willing to compromise.
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Dec 30, 2012 03:03
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TheGreyGhost posted:Those of you hating on Frum are ignoring the fact that he's one of the few NeoCons to develop an actual brain and thought process against the current GOP. Hell, he posted that NY Mag piece on the GOP being so drat crazy before the election, and all he has done since is advocate for the party to stop being such a bunch of insane blowhards. He's pro-gay marriage and pro-environment, which is better than the vast majority of his party. Don't bully the lesser of two evils here. Do you really want the Mark Levins of the world having more say over the GOP than the Frums? Hint: One is willing to compromise. Doesn't matter if you're the most rational man in the madhouse when you still think the Bilderberg Group put a chip in your molar that makes you scream at lamp posts.
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Dec 30, 2012 03:09
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Yeah, Frum is sometimes worth reading (to me) and, even if you think he isn't you have to admit he's better than 99% of conservative columnists. (Okay he's barely worth reading but I still do it sometimes.)
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Dec 30, 2012 03:14
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TheGreyGhost posted:Those of you hating on Frum are ignoring the fact that he's one of the few NeoCons to develop an actual brain and thought process against the current GOP. Hell, he posted that NY Mag piece on the GOP being so drat crazy before the election, and all he has done since is advocate for the party to stop being such a bunch of insane blowhards. He's pro-gay marriage and pro-environment, which is better than the vast majority of his party. Don't bully the lesser of two evils here. Do you really want the Mark Levins of the world having more say over the GOP than the Frums? Hint: One is willing to compromise. gently caress's wrong with you? He's not the lesser of two evils, he's the savvier of two evils. The right needs to be crushed.
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Dec 30, 2012 03:14
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TheGreyGhost posted:Those of you hating on Frum are ignoring the fact that he's one of the few NeoCons to develop an actual brain and thought process against the current GOP. Hell, he posted that NY Mag piece on the GOP being so drat crazy before the election, and all he has done since is advocate for the party to stop being such a bunch of insane blowhards. He's pro-gay marriage and pro-environment, which is better than the vast majority of his party. Don't bully the lesser of two evils here. Do you really want the Mark Levins of the world having more say over the GOP than the Frums? Hint: One is willing to compromise. Frum is a scumbag who supported the worst of Bush's policy decisions, including the Iraq War. He may not be tinfoil hat crazy like the Tea Party, but he's still a hardline neocon who believes in American hegemony and military interventions. I mean, it says something about the modern GOP the David Frum could be considered "one of the good ones", and to his credit he did try to sound the alarm when the Tea Party lunacy machine was revving up in 2008-2010, but that doesn't mean his ideology is any less odious then it was in 2003 when he was writing about how Iraq was part of the "Axis of Evil".
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Dec 30, 2012 03:19
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colonelslime posted:Frum is a scumbag who supported the worst of Bush's policy decisions, including the Iraq War. He may not be tinfoil hat crazy like the Tea Party, but he's still a hardline neocon who believes in American hegemony and military interventions. I mean, it says something about the modern GOP the David Frum could be considered "one of the good ones", and to his credit he did try to sound the alarm when the Tea Party lunacy machine was revving up in 2008-2010, but that doesn't mean his ideology is any less odious then it was in 2003 when he was writing about how Iraq was part of the "Axis of Evil". You can argue how odious his past decisions are all day, and I won't rebuke any of that. He's been an absolute tool and a half in that respect. My point is that Frum is markedly better than most of the lunatics mentioned in this thread on account of his lack of tinfoil. He's not Alex Jones, Mark Levin, or Michael loving Savage, and he's not nearly the problem that any of those three represent. If I'm picking who I take down in right wing media first, it's the Medveds of the world. Speaking of Medved, have a terrible column: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/28/the-liberal-god-delusion.html
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Dec 30, 2012 03:32
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SedanChair posted:gently caress's wrong with you? He's not the lesser of two evils, he's the savvier of two evils. The right needs to be crushed. Ra-loving-men, man. And I mean this politically. The Republican Party is a poison in the world right now, doing serious damage. That poo poo needs to be purged. Can anyone recommend a general interest Wingnut/Paulian/Republican discussion website other than Freep, Redstate, and Brietbart? I'm looking for some alternatives.
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Dec 30, 2012 03:55
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Frum is enjoyable specifically because he's losing his mind in apostasy.
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Dec 30, 2012 03:58
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redshirt posted:Can anyone recommend a general interest Wingnut/Paulian/Republican discussion website other than Freep, Redstate, and Brietbart? I'm looking for some alternatives. TexAgs is full of proper shitheads. It's primarily an A&M football board, but the politics forum and some of the others are full of libertarians and social regressives and all manner of terrible people.
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Dec 30, 2012 04:03
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ReidRansom posted:TexAgs is full of proper shitheads. It's primarily an A&M football board, but the politics forum and some of the others are full of libertarians and social regressives and all manner of terrible people. Little Green Footballs is another world class rear end in a top hat community.
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Dec 30, 2012 04:23
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Crasscrab posted:Little Green Footballs is another world class rear end in a top hat community. I thought the guy who ran that had a change of heart.
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Dec 30, 2012 04:29
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Crasscrab posted:Little Green Footballs is another world class rear end in a top hat community. I thought the owners of that site went to the edge and stared at the abyss. Then they turned back to slightly more palatable positions.
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Dec 30, 2012 04:29
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I haven't followed them for awhile, so it's possible. But I do know that Moonbattery is still poo poo.
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Dec 30, 2012 04:38
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Crasscrab posted:I haven't followed them for awhile, so it's possible. But I do know that Moonbattery is still poo poo. Moonbattery is one of my favorite sites because its amusing to watch a genuine lunatic criticize everyone else for being insane. Its has to be the blackest pot in a world of kettles. "Look at this liberal moonbat psycho who thinks the solution to crime is greater social welfare and not posses of armed men and public executions"
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Dec 30, 2012 04:54
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Kiwi Bigtree posted:This article is terrible, but goddamn it might have my favorite title of any pundit screed ever written. I just want to say I really love the crazy eyes on this one. That picture makes the article so much better.
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Dec 30, 2012 05:21
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ReidRansom posted:TexAgs is full of proper shitheads. It's primarily an A&M football board, but the politics forum and some of the others are full of libertarians and social regressives and all manner of terrible people. Well it is a bunch of Aggies. 
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Dec 30, 2012 05:25
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Crasscrab posted:Little Green Footballs is another world class rear end in a top hat community. That's not even close to true at least for the past 3 years.
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Dec 30, 2012 06:53
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colonelslime posted:Frum is a scumbag who supported the worst of Bush's policy decisions, including the Iraq War. He may not be tinfoil hat crazy like the Tea Party, but he's still a hardline neocon who believes in American hegemony and military interventions. I mean, it says something about the modern GOP the David Frum could be considered "one of the good ones", and to his credit he did try to sound the alarm when the Tea Party lunacy machine was revving up in 2008-2010, but that doesn't mean his ideology is any less odious then it was in 2003 when he was writing about how Iraq was part of the "Axis of Evil". He's going to get lumped in as a liberal in sheep's clothing for not supporting the crazy party line anyway so if the left doesn't attack him then it just lends credibility to the idea that liberals like him. It's not the left squeezing rational conservatives out of the Republican party, it's the new "moderate" form of the right.
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Dec 30, 2012 08:57
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When it comes to hating David Frum, you're either with us or against us. Simple as that.  Don't make me put you on the Axis of Evil.
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Dec 30, 2012 13:19
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Joementum posted:Frum is enjoyable specifically because he's losing his mind in apostasy. That's only entertaining for so long, though.
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Dec 30, 2012 14:46
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Crasscrab posted:I haven't followed them for awhile, so it's possible. But I do know that Moonbattery is still poo poo. Well, seems like the guy who runs LGF did a 180 at about the time the tea party craze picked up: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/35243_Why_I_Parted_Ways_With_The_Right
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Dec 30, 2012 15:28
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In more "We are so loving persecuted  " news, the new Rove talking point apparently is that secret money is important in elections because conservatives groups are facing the same kind of discrimination and intimidation that the NAACP faced in the 50's, and people who want disclosure are in fact segregationists.http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/12/30/168216783/conservatives-invoke-naacp-case-in-fight-for-secret-donors
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Dec 30, 2012 17:50
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Amused to Death posted:In more "We are so loving persecuted I hope someone tries to push this, and it gets to the Supreme Court, and they laugh right in Rove's face.
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Dec 30, 2012 18:43
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colonelslime posted:I hope someone tries to push this, and it gets to the Supreme Court, and they laugh right in Rove's face. Even Scalia gets it this time: Justice Scalia posted:"Running a democracy takes a certain amount of civic courage. And the First Amendment does not protect you from criticism, or even nasty phone calls."
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Dec 30, 2012 19:02
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Zeroisanumber posted:Even Scalia gets it this time: Scalia is never one to let his past judicial decisions influence his future ones though, especially when it's ruling in favor of his sideTM.
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Dec 30, 2012 19:11
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I think my personal favorite right wing moment of 2012 was this: http://www.queerty.com/right-wing-analyst-says-nate-silver-is-too-much-of-a-sissy-to-crunch-poll-data-20121031/quote:Nate Silver is a man of very small stature, a thin and effeminate man with a soft-sounding voice that sounds almost exactly like the “Mr. New Castrati” voice used by Rush Limbaugh on his program. Of course, Nate's "effeminate" methods consisted basically of averaging polls - it's just a lot of number crunching based on actual data. Nothing really fancy - but a lot of busywork. Anyway, when it turned out reality had a liberal bias: http://www.businessinsider.com/unskewed-pollster-dean-chambers-nate-silver-election-dick-morris-michael-barone-2012-11#ixzz2GaUz42yV quote:"Nate Silver was right, and I was wrong," Chambers said in a phone interview. They're being nice here, but the "unskewing" method is literally just ham-fisting facts to match what you want them to be. In other words, the unskewed methods didn't work because they were "too macho." 
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Dec 31, 2012 02:16
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Spacedad posted:I think my personal favorite right wing moment of 2012 was this: http://www.queerty.com/right-wing-analyst-says-nate-silver-is-too-much-of-a-sissy-to-crunch-poll-data-20121031/ Why you trying to interpret those numbers and read those words? You a fag or somethin?
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Dec 31, 2012 03:29
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BiggerBoat posted:Why you trying to interpret those numbers and read those words? You a fag or somethin? Yes, and enjoying when over-macho homophobic-hetero male privilege falls apart as the weak little house of cards it is.  What, you mean clenching my buttocks and flexing my pecs real hard as I strain to speak in a deep voice actually DOESN'T make my research more valid? 
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Dec 31, 2012 03:51
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lil mortimer posted:1340 AM from 9 to 10 AM during the week. I'm in Palm Beach County, though, and the show broadcasts from Lake Worth. I don't know if you guys get it. Seems like this prick will be going off the air soon: quote:Don Black, the founder of Stormfront, the oldest and largest white nationalist forum, is apparently trying to figure out what to do with his and his son Derek’s radio show, “The Derek Black Show.” From the way that article is written, it looks like they actually have to pay to get that trash on the air, rather than the other way around.
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Dec 31, 2012 06:52
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Looks like people have been jumping off the "Stop Obama Express" - http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/sean-hannity-big-loser-2012-election-article-1.1228269Daily News posted:"In a fitting coda to 2012, we’ve learned that the ratings for rock-ribbed conservative Sean Hannity cratered after Barack Obama won his second term, with viewers tuning out the Fox News Channel talk-show host in droves. I get a perverse joy out of seeing his ratings crumble...I just wish the guys radio ratings would fall like his Fox News Channel Neilsens have.
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Dec 31, 2012 08:59
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Shasta Orange Soda posted:Seems like this prick will be going off the air soon: Even though it's maybe just a smokescreen, I do really hope that Derek Black is drifting away from his father and changing his views. Breaking away from that kind of indoctrination isn't easy, but I'd like to hope it's possible for people like him to have a sincere change of heart when they leave the bubble.
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Dec 31, 2012 09:05
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bigtom posted:Looks like people have been jumping off the "Stop Obama Express" - http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/sean-hannity-big-loser-2012-election-article-1.1228269 More than likely, this was the result of his ratings being inflated in the weeks leading up to the election. What we are seeing here is just a return to normalcy (unless his ratings are different from where they were a year ago)...
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Dec 31, 2012 10:43
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Something to keep an eye on here. The Tribune Company (owners of the LA Times, Chicago Tribune and other newspapers and tv stations) just emerged today after 4 years in bankruptcy. And in naming their new board, they named a lot of people associated with News Corp., fueling further speculation that Murdoch is gonna buy at least the newspaper part of Tribune: http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/12/tribune-co-names-news-corpheavy-board-amid-rumors-153045.html#.UOHLAe21HiQ.twitter Also, I know those radio shows usually take a ratings dip post-election. But I heard that certain stations in some cases didn't even rise this time to begin with.
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colonelslime posted:Even though it's maybe just a smokescreen, I do really hope that Derek Black is drifting away from his father and changing his views. Breaking away from that kind of indoctrination isn't easy, but I'd like to hope it's possible for people like him to have a sincere change of heart when they leave the bubble. I am shocked that a white supremacist conservative let his son go to New College of Florida. Not that mostly-white, hippie, liberal arts colleges don't have their share of clueless racists, but unless things have really changed in the last few years, NCF is basically the Hampshire College of the South. Not exactly a comfortable and accepting environment for neo-nazis.
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hotgreenpeas posted:I am shocked that a white supremacist conservative let his son go to New College of Florida. Not that mostly-white, hippie, liberal arts colleges don't have their share of clueless racists, but unless things have really changed in the last few years, NCF is basically the Hampshire College of the South. Not exactly a comfortable and accepting environment for neo-nazis. I am shocked by nothing, any longer. The question becomes - is there any way to roll these fools back?
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redshirt posted:I am shocked by nothing, any longer. Yes. When someone in your presence announces that they're a neo-Nazi, you kick the poo poo out of them. And when they come back the next time and talk about how you just used violence to oppress them and haven't really refuted their argument, you kick the poo poo out of them again. There really is only one way to properly communicate with neo-Nazis.
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