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insanityv2 posted:It's the "do really well" part that rules it out as a back-up plan, which so many 0L's view it as. No I agree, I was just responding to the "it makes TTT grads think they can get government jobs" thing, although actually I imagine this stuff is really state-specific anyway, I mean my government actually employs plenty of people from Cooley, but they were all the king/queen of Cooley that year (EIC of law review + Moot Court + amazing grades) so that is nothing to really bank on.
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J Miracle posted:they were all the king/queen of Cooley that year make way! make way for the baron of thunder-ten-tronckh!
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Petey posted:http://m.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/04/the-wrong-people-have-stopped-applying-to-law-school/255685/ Tally up another for Dunning-Kruger.
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So I looked this up and apparently the ABA tends to deny accreditation to anybody admitting anyone scoring below a 140. If you know your TTT has 139's you know what to do~
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This 0L is in need of assistance! I was considering registering to ask him what law school he is going to. Also someone else posts in there mentioning how they are in a similar predicament with a link to another thread. Apparently the other poster will be attending med school to become a dentist (I stopped reading there). Zarkov Cortez fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Dec 28, 2012 |
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Zarkov Cortez posted:This 0L is in need of assistance! Oh man, WatchUSeek is actually great. That forum is really helpful. They'll steer him in the right direction like they have in the past with me.
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Zarkov Cortez posted:This 0L is in need of assistance! edit: Casio F91-W
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Idk maybe his parents are just rich. http://www.reddit.com/r/LawSchool/comments/15m6tu/is_it_really_that_bleak_out_there/ Its fine bro. insanityv2 fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Dec 29, 2012 |
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Perhaps I don't spend enough time with liberal arts undergrad students, but I was stunned to silence the other day when someone literally said in real life, "I got accepted to (some unheard of TTT)! I'm going to do sports law!" and then everyone patted that person on the back and congratulated them. The wall between internet and reality came crumbling down.
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quote:This is your fault man. I know that's harsh to hear, but you also know it's true. It is possible to get a job out of any law school with any grades. It's 10000% about networking and putting yourself out there despite what the angries say.
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Ouch, I didn't realise that the quality of NY law school grads was so low.
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Now that I've been practicing for about five months as a licensed attorney, I'm shocked by the billable hour. I know this is a DOG BITES MAN headline but the incentives are perverse. I promised myself I would never fudge my hours before I started and actually billing 7.5 per day is extremely hard. Be forewarned, law students.
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So what's the book on SLS? I hear a lot about YLS and HLS but not so much about Stanford.
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Petey posted:So what's the book on SLS? I hear a lot about YLS and HLS but not so much about Stanford. On the west coast, basically see Yale or slightly lower. Certainly better than Harvard.
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nm posted:On the west coast, basically see Yale or slightly lower. Certainly better than Harvard. Better how?
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Alumni? Judges? Reputation?
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Harvard is 2 points better scrabble score than Stanford, so that kinda ends that discussion.
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Petey posted:Better how? Getting the job you want. Also seen as more academic than Harvard. Probably sends more alums per capita to clerkships and judgeships in the 9th too.
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woozle wuzzle posted:Harvard is 2 points better scrabble score than Stanford, so that kinda ends that discussion. Did you look that up or did you just know it off the top of your head?
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Walamor posted:Did you look that up or did you just know it off the top of your head? I looked  But it's obvious that HRV is better than STNF.
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apply to law school everyone, and specialize in international law http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/law-admissions-lowdown/2012/12/31/3-law-school-trends-to-watch-for-in-2013
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Conflict of laws is really complex and interesting, constantly changing, and is more important to know now than ever before. Unfortunately, it's got very little to do with what the people who want to practice "international law" think they're getting in to. At least that's the impression I get from everyone I've ever met who wants to practice international law.
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I just want a dynamic, exciting career where I think and argue on my feet and I get to have meetings while walking briskly in office corridors. Frankly, I just think the camera shots for walking corridor briefing at The Hague are the best fit for me, and that's why I want to do international law.
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HolySwissCheese posted:I just want a dynamic, exciting career where I think and argue on my feet and I get to have meetings while walking briskly in office corridors. Family law. No joke.
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burf posted:Conflict of laws is really complex and interesting, constantly changing, and is more important to know now than ever before. I cannot express how wrong one of the above words has been used.
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insanityv2 posted:apply to law school everyone, and specialize in international law Is this totally bullshit? Studying international business law and using my language degree to help employability was my original plan. Reading this thread has helped sober me to the idea, though. What I'm wondering is, if I do get into a T1 law school and have genuine interest, is it still a bad idea? I'm fairly confident that I can at least get into Ohio State's Moritz School of Law, but they don't seem to focus on international business much and I'm hoping to do better.
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Nickoten posted:Is this totally bullshit? Studying international business law and using my language degree to help employability was my original plan. Reading this thread has helped sober me to the idea, though. What I'm wondering is, if I do get into a T1 law school and have genuine interest, is it still a bad idea? I'm fairly confident that I can at least get into Ohio State's Moritz School of Law, but they don't seem to focus on international business much and I'm hoping to do better. Have you considered pro bono international human public interest business rights law?
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Nickoten posted:Is this totally bullshit? Studying international business law and using my language degree to help employability was my original plan. Reading this thread has helped sober me to the idea, though. What I'm wondering is, if I do get into a T1 law school and have genuine interest, is it still a bad idea? I'm fairly confident that I can at least get into Ohio State's Moritz School of Law, but they don't seem to focus on international business much and I'm hoping to do better. He's being sarcastic. And specialty rankings generally mean nothing. You don't see T-14 schools brag about their specific rankings, do you?
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Paramour posted:He's being sarcastic. And specialty rankings generally mean nothing. You don't see T-14 schools brag about their specific rankings, do you? I figured, I was just wondering if articles like that tend to be untrustworthy. I don't know the ranking for international law for Moritz, I was just told it doesn't have a big focus on that. Still doing my research, basically, and it seems the more I do the bleaker it seems. 
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Nickoten posted:I figured, I was just wondering if articles like that tend to be untrustworthy. I don't know the ranking for international law for Moritz, I was just told it doesn't have a big focus on that. Still doing my research, basically, and it seems the more I do the bleaker it seems.
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Unless it's Spanish and you're working in Cali/Texas/Florida, or Chinese and you go to one of the seven or eight schools that Commonwealth countries accept so that you can go to Hong Kong or Singapore, I wouldn't bother.
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Nickoten posted:Is this totally bullshit? is it still a bad idea? Yes. Yes. The thing that most undergrads don't understand is that all those "International (Business, Economics, Studies, etc.)" majors sound sexy because they have "international" in the title, but they are probably less likely to help someone get an international job because to employers they sound like a poor substitute to serious, real majors such as business, economics, etc. What employers want is a solid businessman (or at least theoretically, with a solid degree, I guess) or economist. Likewise, if you want to become an international lawyer, get a JD from a top school and learn a foreign language or something. All the U.S. lawyers I know working internationally or who do actual International Law (treaties, etc.) started as lawyers with solid degrees who chose to work internationally because they had that option due to the prestige of their law schools. Some, but not all, also had a foreign language or experience living overseas, which demonstrated real interest in foreign work (as opposed to simply picking an "international" major because it sounded cool). Schools use specialty rankings as a fig leaf to cover their blemished nakedness in other areas.
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That was very informative, thanks. I have a Japanese degree and did study abroad/English teaching in Japan for a year so I was hoping that studying business law in a T14 or close would be the right path. Right now I'm not really sure if law school is right for me; it depends entirely on whether I can get into a prestigious school. With a 3.7~/163 I think my odds are low, though. Does being a minority help at all?
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Nickoten posted:That was very informative, thanks. I have a Japanese degree and did study abroad/English teaching in Japan for a year so I was hoping that studying business law in a T14 or close would be the right path. Right now I'm not really sure if law school is right for me; it depends entirely on whether I can get into a prestigious school. With a 3.7~/163 I think my odds are low, though. Does being a minority help at all? What kind of minority? Probably yes, as long as it's an underrepresented (read: no asians) minority.
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And even as a Hispanic, it's usually more specifically Mexican and Puerto-Rican.
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evilweasel posted:Probably yes, as long as it's an underrepresented (read: no asians) minority. Well poo poo. I'm racially Indian, but culturally I'm West Indian (Trinidadian). I guess it at least partially comes down to how I frame it in my diversity statement. Thanks though, it's nice to get some advice that isn't overly optimistic.
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Nickoten posted:Well poo poo. I'm racially Indian, but culturally I'm West Indian. I guess it at least partially comes down to how I frame it in my diversity statement. Thanks though, it's nice to get some advice that isn't overly optimistic. I suspect that's under-represented.
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evilweasel posted:I suspect that's under-represented. South asian indians are not usually considered URMs for statistical purposes. A school might be willing to weigh the culture of West Indian as a bonus but it seems unlikely to be a full "URM bump" because it won't help the school's diversity numbers internally or externally.
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Nickoten posted:Well poo poo. I'm racially Indian, but culturally I'm West Indian (Trinidadian). I guess it at least partially comes down to how I frame it in my diversity statement. Thanks though, it's nice to get some advice that isn't overly optimistic. And if you want even more bad news, Japanese is not one of the better languages to have for international law. Can't get barred in Japan because you're gaijin, very few firms have offices there. And those that do are the mega-firms that will usually only hire T-10 kids with a lot of business experience, since it's mostly M&A work because you can't do much legal. There may be a handful of west coast firms that do some work with Japanese companies, but I'm not sure that the language proficiency is as big of a feather in your cap as it may have been 10-20 years ago, as they tend to outsource translation.
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Nickoten posted:That was very informative, thanks. I have a Japanese degree and did study abroad/English teaching in Japan for a year so I was hoping that studying business law in a T14 or close would be the right path. Right now I'm not really sure if law school is right for me; it depends entirely on whether I can get into a prestigious school. With a 3.7~/163 I think my odds are low, though. Does being a minority help at all? That's a decent GPA. If you like, actually want to be a lawyer and don't have any illusions about a nonexistant field you'd like to go into, you might be able to swing a t14 if you raise that lsat like... 6ish points?
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