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Death Himself posted:"The American Nazi Party has now decided to offer a means for non-whites to aid in our struggle. If you are interested, please fill out the form below. In return for a minimum monthly donation of $10, you will receive a one-year (12 issues) subscription to our hard-copy print publication, The White Worker. As a "sympathizer," you would not be eligible to attend our meetings, conference calls, or other inner-party events, but in addition to financial support, there are many other ways you can assist our efforts. Please make out all money orders to "ANP" ONLY. Thank you very much." "Give us money so your family will be spared in the upcoming race war."
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Death Himself posted:Is that website real? I have been clicking around it and am having a hard time saying for sure... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpiIWMWWVco But white.
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Death Himself posted:Is that website real? I have been clicking around it and am having a hard time saying for sure... This is the actual 100% legit American Nazi Party. They are serious, not a joke. Business Gorillas posted:"Give us money so your family will be spared in the upcoming race war." It's more that they'll send "the good ones" back to their "homelands" once they take power.
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It seems odd, but you see that sometimes; groups that would normally be antagonistic to each other coming together to support each others right to be separate from each other. So you get white nationalists and black nationalists subscribing to each others publications and citing the same wacko studies saying they'd all be better off if they weren't forced to be together. It's all a bit 
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Install Gentoo posted:This is the actual 100% legit American Nazi Party. They are serious, not a joke. Are these Nazi's affiliated with the ones from Illinois, or are they totally separate?
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Can somebody explain to me the reason Alex Jones and/or Infowars exists? Seriously, who the gently caress actually takes this type of stuff as fact? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyfkQkchlu4
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I think one of the primary factors with a lot of the right wing media, and especially fringe media, is a lack of media and internet literacy on the part of their audiences. A lot of us here were raised kind of alongside the internet or it came about at around the same time prior generations might have started reading the newspaper. They understand on an intellectual level that any idiot can have a nice-looking website, but it doesn't seem that it carries over in practice to how they actually consume media. Older generations never had to deal with the insane flurry of facts and information that swirl around today. The 24-hour cable news cycle didn't exist. So most of our parents were raised in an environment where there was that 1 newspaper you knew you couldn't trust, the one you could trust(the one your parents subscribed to), and then one in the middle you might read on occasion. There were tabloids, but not in the same league as the tabloid nonsense that happens online now. Their consumption of trusted sources relied primarily on arguments from authority rather than actual rigorous fact-checking. Fact-checking a single fact in a newspaper story for an ordinary person 40 years ago would have required significant time investment and was just completely impractical. Yet, it's something that's become kind of expected for modern consumers of internet media. Unsurprisingly, people not practiced in separating fact from fiction from opinion, when given far more information than they can deftly handle, make poor choices about which sources or facts to believe. They rely on their old arguments from authority, and it leads to them trusting people like Charles Krauthammer or Breitbart. They cherry pick facts that make them feel good instead of working toward a better understanding of reality. I think as the baby-boomers die off we'll see some tilt back towards reality, but probably not by much. Media literacy even within the younger generations is shockingly low because it's not taught. Logic is barely taught outside the realm of geometric proofs. Rhetorical argument isn't touched upon outside of debate courses people might choose to take at college or university. It's really no wonder why the political landscape is the way it is today. ErIog fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Jan 7, 2013 |
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AircraftNoise posted:Seriously, who the gently caress actually takes this type of stuff as fact? People who want to be validated. They are looking for information that confirms their fears, the conclusion is drawn before the case is made. As to why they exist? America has always had a nutter fringe, and the violent conspiracy theory is part of the American mythos (Masons, Lincoln and Kennedy Assassinations, 9/11). Jones, Coast to Coast, etc. all just feed the crazies and then sell ad space (not to mention the hits from people who get the joke). Besides the obvious business model (ads), there's revenue in turning over violent people to the Feds, and Foreign Interests love to stir up crazies and make the US ungovernable. There is some truth that 'there is a war on for your mind' ErIog posted:I think as the baby-boomers die off we'll see some tilt back towards reality, but probably not by much. Media literacy even within the younger generations is shockingly low because it's not taught. Someone is winning the mind war. But it's not Alex Jones...
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ReidRansom posted:I hope the new Nationalistische Teepartei decides on some easy way to identify each other, like a uniform or maybe a sweet armband. They could always go back to wearing colored shirts. Red's a good color.
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AircraftNoise posted:Can somebody explain to me the reason Alex Jones and/or Infowars exists? Seriously, who the gently caress actually takes this type of stuff as fact? The amount of "you guys better prepare for the coming war" rhetoric in this video is really disturbing. They are blatantly trying to incite people to form armed wacko fringe militias. Who is giving these nutters a voice and how much of it do the talking heads actually believe?
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Skeeter Green posted:They are blatantly trying to incite people to form armed wacko fringe militias. It's like a certain foreign state department is trying to incite unrest in the US based on a caricature and is covering the operating costs for these guys. I'm guessing they just come in for the paycheck/exposure.
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I want to note that, right after Newtown, Savage called for outright censorship of movies and videogames. No, I don't mean euphemisms or the squirrely talk you normally get out of these types: Savage specifically called for the censorship of media.
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watt par posted:They could always go back to wearing colored shirts. Red's a good color. We actually had the Silver Shirts for a bit.
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Mr Interweb posted:Or at the very least, the worst socialist ever. It's almost as if they're discovering why liberals are so jaded with Obama. BanjoFish posted:Michael Savage...I understand he's pretty influential. Not really. No.
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Jan 7, 2013 03:45
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McDowell posted:People who want to be validated. They are looking for information that confirms their fears, the conclusion is drawn before the case is made. So what happens when reality crashs through this HARD. Like with this election. I am at the grandmother house and I get to hear this fox news poo poo. The whole tone of the show was that the american people made a mistake and were let down by the media and everyone and thats how Obama won. Its like Obama had no right to win...It would have been nice if they just went ahead and said "THE PEOPLE WERE WRONG" Is there anyway to frame to these people that the will of the nation was honored and Berry beat mittens fair and square?
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BiggerBoat posted:Not really. No.
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McDowell posted:It's like a certain foreign state department is trying to incite unrest in the US based on a caricature and is covering the operating costs for these guys. I'm guessing they just come in for the paycheck/exposure. Is this actually a thing with evidence and such? Google isn't bringing up much for me except other nuts accusing Alex Jones of being a Zionist plant and Infowars articles.
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Skeeter Green posted:Is this actually a thing with evidence and such? Google isn't bringing up much for me except other nuts accusing Alex Jones of being a Zionist plant and Infowars articles. Like any good conspiracy theory I don't have any proof, but Infowars and RT cross reference each other all the time.
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Skeeter Green posted:The amount of "you guys better prepare for the coming war" rhetoric in this video is really disturbing. They are blatantly trying to incite people to form armed wacko fringe militias. Who is giving these nutters a voice and how much of it do the talking heads actually believe? "Prepare for the coming infantile society-ending fantasy scenario in which our side will magically be proven to have been right all along" is a very old charlatan's routine - for religions, cults, snake-oil salesmen, militia xenophobes, ethnic supremacists, and similar jackasses. It plays on primitive tribalism fears of having your tribe wiped out, and on the egotism of individuals who want to be seen as having special knowledge that others do not. These are people who do not engage in reality - they do not offer real world discussion about real world problems, and thus, offer no dialogue let alone solutions of value. They might as well be concerned with the gumdrop dragon problems facing the Candyland kingdom. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Jan 7, 2013 |
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People want to feel like they're heroes. The right wing media is so successful because they manage to change the qualifications for being a hero from self-sacrifice to being a jerk to those weaker than you.
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Dr Christmas posted:People want to feel like they're heroes. The right wing media is so successful because they manage to change the qualifications for being a hero from self-sacrifice to being a jerk to those weaker than you. It's interesting because this fictional narrative basically casts themselves as the villains of their own story. Villains (in fiction) tend to see themselves as heroes, and are irrational regarding this belief. Heroes (in fiction) tend to just be people trying to do the right thing, and aren't 'trying to be a hero.' Spacedad fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Jan 7, 2013 |
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Spacedad posted:It's interesting because this fictional narrative basically casts themselves as the villains of their own story. Hey now... don't you besmirch Doctor Doom by comparing him with these facistic right wing shitheads. Doom is awesome and any Republican would be lucky if they were half as cool as an ordinary Doombot!
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sicarius posted:Hey now... don't you besmirch Doctor Doom by comparing him with these facistic right wing shitheads. Doom is awesome and any Republican would be lucky if they were half as cool as an ordinary Doombot! Doctor Doom is a perfection-obsessed egomaniac, who wants everyone else to be beneath him. I think my favorite thing about Doom is when he's having the piss being taken out of him, and when he drops his facade of superiority in frustration at the hands of some clever superhero. (Personally I think the only thing he's superior at is running away when he can't win.) Anyway, yeah - fictional villainy/heroism is often kind of a funhouse mirror of how 'villainy' and 'heroism' is in the real world. Except the heroes (or rather, those we regard as heroes) in our world don't construct fictional narratives about themselves - only the 'villains' in our world do. (Probably the worst example.) Spacedad fucked around with this message at 07:41 on Jan 7, 2013 |
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AircraftNoise posted:Can somebody explain to me the reason Alex Jones and/or Infowars exists? Seriously, who the gently caress actually takes this type of I blame the Reagan administration, and his elimination of the Fairness Doctrine (in '87); which required that news sources at least try to be truthful about controversial issues, and matters of public interest. Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 10:30 on Jan 7, 2013 |
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Spacedad posted:Doctor Doom is a perfection-obsessed egomaniac, who wants everyone else to be beneath him. Clearly, you are a fool for not realizing that everyone else is already beneath him. 
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From Tea Party founder, Judson Philips:quote:What he really wants is the power to be a dictator.
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Zeroisanumber posted:I imagine that being the son of an admiral has its advantages, but it's hard to say whether or not McCain got too many extra chances or if he was just a personable sonofabitch who knew how to work the system. Prior to being a POW McCain was known for boxing, drinking, gambling, being near the bottom of his academy class and only becoming a pilot because of his father and grandfather, both of whom had stars. He also managed to crash a few planes before he got shot down. He was shot down because he refused to pull out of a dive along standard procedures, and thus was blown out of the air. McCain crashed two planes while not at war, his third burned up on a carrier, and his fourth got shot down due to his own stupidity. He nearly crashed a fifth, due to in his ownwords "daredevil" nonsense. Most naval aviators wouldn't be allowed near another plane after destroying the first, let alone the fourth. About the best thing you can say about McCain's naval record was that he wasn't the reason the Forrestal caught on fire and killed a bunch of people, though his plane was part of the inferno. His plane burning on the flight deck is part of a training video that everyone in the Navy is forced to watch to this day, along with his rear end scampering out of it right before the bombs on those planes go off and kill a poo poo ton of videos. Frankly, I don't think being part of a "this is what you don't do when you managed to blow up your on aircraft carrier with your own bombs on your own fighter planes" highlight reel is a good thing to be known for. SilentD fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Jan 7, 2013 |
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SilentD posted:Most naval aviators wouldn't be allowed near another plane after destroying the first, let alone the fourth. Is that because the planes are so expensive or because it's actually difficult to destroy one? It seems like they're awfully complicated, and that crashing one by accident wouldn't be an unthinkable thing.
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prefect posted:Is that because the planes are so expensive or because it's actually difficult to destroy one? It seems like they're awfully complicated, and that crashing one by accident wouldn't be an unthinkable thing. It's not actually true. You'd only lose your wings if you were doing some willfully negligent, something that the military doesn't like proving their elite naval aviators are capable of.
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prefect posted:Is that because the planes are so expensive or because it's actually difficult to destroy one? It seems like they're awfully complicated, and that crashing one by accident wouldn't be an unthinkable thing. If you crash a plane, run a ship aground, hit something in a sub, they generally don't give another one ever again if it's your own fault, it's just how the Navy works. The first crash was ruled his fault. The second one was probably, but they said it might have had complications. The third near crash he admits being his fault due to being a dare devil, and he caused an international incident. And by the way, the first two crashes... he crashed those planes into the ground in the US. quote:The first crash took place during advanced flight training at Corpus Christi, Texas. According to McCain, the engine stalled while he was practicing landings. The plane fell into the water of the bay just off the airfield and knocked him unconscious. McCain woke up and somehow managed to get out of the cockpit and escaped serious injury. Investigators reported that they started the recovered engine without any problem, and their report left open the possibility of pilot error. McCain being a lovely pilot and destroying planes isn't exactly a secret in Navy circles, McCain is largely viewed as a joke. If it wasn't for the fact he was a POW (again entirely due to his own drat fault to start with) he'd have to run as far from his military record as possible. At least Bush didn't go around wrecking air planes left and right or driving them into power lines while he was dodging duty drunk.
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SilentD posted:His plane burning on the flight deck is part of a training video that everyone in the Navy is forced to watch to this day, along with his rear end scampering out of it right before the bombs on those planes go off and kill a poo poo ton of videos. I understand that video is unintentionally hilarious, with narration along the lines of "This private runs straight into the fire with the extinguishers, *pause during small explosion*, and is now dead."
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Tricerapowerbottom posted:I understand that video is unintentionally hilarious, with narration along the lines of "This private runs straight into the fire with the extinguishers, *pause during small explosion*, and is now dead." It's comprised of lovely flight deck footage and portable cameras from way back when, so the video and associated audio is pretty poor. The voice acting and audio quality is just as unintentionally hilarious as any sort of public safety video from that era (read it's a laugh riot), made all the more so because there's a huge fire, bombs going off, planes shooting other planes while still on the carrier, people being blown up left and right, others trying to push planes over the side by hand, and still others trying to climb out of planes that are on fire. A lot of people die in it. But everybody in the Navy has to go through fire fighting training at boot camp and usually some sort of it on ship as well, so you'll get to see "blowing up our own aircraft carrier 101, what not to do" more than a few times, and it's just as comedic every time. Several of the various versions are on youtube, it's not hard to find. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6NnfRT_OZA Oh and it's the chief who vanishes on camera. Radbot posted:It's not actually true. You'd only lose your wings if you were doing some willfully negligent, something that the military doesn't like proving their elite naval aviators are capable of. McCain freely admits he was a dare devil and hot dogging poo poo, that he got his own rear end shot down, and that he didn't take being a pilot seriously. There isn't really anything in dispute other than one of the fiascos which is iffy. When your standard response was "dude you destroyed four jets and nearly a fifth" is "yeah I was a dare devil and caused an international incident" you're well over the line into being "willfully negligent". The Navy doesn't actually work like Top Gun, if you fly like a maniac they will take your plane, provided you're not McCain.
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Bullshit from Infowars/Prison Planet/Alex Jones is not about trying to foment rebellion or push crazies over the edge, though the latter may be a side effect. No, their goal is only to scare you enough so you keep buying MREs/Gold/Diamond-Gusset-Jeans and other survivalist crap from their sponsors. That said, of all individuals in the Right Wing mediasphere I find Alex Jones the most fascinating. With Hannity, Beck, Levin, Limbaugh, etc you can tell you're dealing with experienced hucksters who know (for the most part) how to thread the shrill with the subtle to keep money flowing in from their audience of dupes. Jones, on the other hand, is terribly unskilled. He pushes the panic pedal so hard and so constantly that he has to contradict himself at least weekly. Last week's friend is this week's mortal enemy. Last week's prophecy of terror is soon forgotten for the new prophecy that totally contradicts it. He's even turned on Ron Paul's fanbase (and even distantly turned on Ron Paul) when their slavish devotion goes against the Infowars narrative. Jones is lucky. An audience with a bit of critical thinking and a half-functioning memory would see him undone. But they're so remarkably afraid (of the federal government, of local government, of municipal governments, of foreigners, of their neighbors, of their family, of difference, of their shadows) that they're primed and ready to believe/buy anything to rescue themselves.
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Spacedad posted:Doctor Doom is a perfection-obsessed egomaniac, who wants everyone else to be beneath him. I think my favorite thing about Doom is when he's having the piss being taken out of him, and when he drops his facade of superiority in frustration at the hands of some clever superhero. (Personally I think the only thing he's superior at is running away when he can't win.) 9/11 changed everything. Including Dr. Doom. http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/doom-crying.jpg
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BiggerBoat posted:9/11 changed everything. Including Dr. Doom. That panel bothers me since Doom is literally a mass murderer isn't he? What the gently caress does he care some planes hit some buildings in some country he doesn't (yet) own?
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Ray and Shirley posted:Jones is lucky. An audience with a bit of critical thinking and a half-functioning memory would see him undone. But they're so remarkably afraid (of the federal government, of local government, of municipal governments, of foreigners, of their neighbors, of their family, of difference, of their shadows) that they're primed and ready to believe/buy anything to rescue themselves. Alex Jones/Infowars is entertaining in small doses. I like it when Dave Mustaine's on because he's completely lost his mind; hard to imagine that someone was actually more lucid when they were a crackhead, but there ya go. Coast to Coast AM is still the best, but even they're kinda hit and miss. And George Noory try as he might is no Art Bell.
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Death Himself posted:That panel bothers me since Doom is literally a mass murderer isn't he? What the gently caress does he care some planes hit some buildings in some country he doesn't (yet) own? Comic book artists all went a little crazy in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. Not to knock them, I know that I spent a solid week pretty much totally out of my mind.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Comic book artists all went a little crazy in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. Not to knock them, I know that I spent a solid week pretty much totally out of my mind.
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SilentD posted:The Navy doesn't actually work like Top Gun, if you fly like a maniac they will take your plane, provided you're not McCain. Come now, you can't give us this great series of McCain bashing stories and quotes without a source we can use to rub in people's faces. I want to be rock solid when somebody quotes McCain as anything besides a awful politician.
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