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Digital Jesus posted:I'm as bad as you, if not worse. Just the other day I was contemplating selling my X100 to get something with zoom, or interchangeable lenses. Now I'm lusting after an X100S. Yeah it's tough, my X100 has served me well and I've taken a few thousand pictures with it, but the X100s pretty much removes the vast majority of issues it had.
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At this point the only thing I use my 7D for is when I travel. I bring a ultra wide, a fast 50mm, and a good all around 17-50 2.8. I'm so sick of lugging everything around. I'm seriously considering selling all my gear for a x100s. Holy poo poo. The x100 was awesome enough, but I couldn't imagine using something with slow autofocus like my gf's s95. What's the lens situation like? If I got the x100s, I'd be missing my 10-22 ultrawide. I'm thinking one of those 8mm fisheyes + some good software might fill the gap. Watching that video of the autofocus and split detection has me very, very tempted.
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negativeneil posted:At this point the only thing I use my 7D for is when I travel. I bring a ultra wide, a fast 50mm, and a good all around 17-50 2.8. I'm so sick of lugging everything around. You could also get an X-E1 with the 35mm 1.4 to cover your fast 50 and either spring for the upcoming XF 14mm ($900) or get an EOS adapter and just use your 10-22. I've mounted my Tokina 12-24 to my X-Pro 1 and it works as advertised (better than on my 7D even which misfocuses ths lens by several feet in any AF other than Center Point). The rub is that either you shoot wide open or have a Canon body around to set the aperture before you take the lens out shooting. There is also a 12-24 f/4 on the roadmap but who knows when that will be ready. It's all rigmarole but really the X100 does one thing well and that is taking excellent 35 or 27mm photos and being with you because it is compact and you want to shoot with it. I've never had much luck with the built-in panoramic mode or stitching multiple exposures to fake a wider angle and it sounds like you need different focal lengths.
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spog posted:I've just found the GF5 with the 14-42 powerzoom for the same price as the GF3 with the 14mm. I would like that lense as it gives some flexibility when walking around ... for what it's worth I recently bought a GF3 with the 14mm pancake, and then ended up returning it for an Olympus E-PM2 and a 14mm from eBay. It ended up being more expensive, but from all accounts the E-PM2 is a better camera than the GF3 so I think it was worth it. This is all assuming you actually want the 14mm, of course. The 20mm / 1.7 is probably a better candidate for the "fast prime", and sadly (to my knowledge) isn't in a kit outside of the GF1, which I doubt you could find anymore.
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Baron Dirigible posted:My gut reaction is that the GF3 w/ 14mm is a better deal than the GF5 w/ kit lens, and that you could go the other way and source a zoom / longer prime later on. I won't quote prices because I've seen them vary a lot, but 14–42 zoom lenses are consistently cheaper than the 14mm prime, and I'm honestly not sure there's enough improvement from the GF3 to the GF5 to warrant the upgrade. Thanks for the thoughts. From what I can see on Amazon, the prices are: code:I also want a fast prime to use it as my DSLR replacement. Looking at the numbers, it seems best to buy the GF5+14-42mm as a kit. If I really want a 14mm, I should then buy the GF3+14mm kit as well and resell the body for £100 - which means I have paid £200 for the 14mm If I want the 20mm, I should buy the lens on its own and bite the bullet for £270 EDIT: the E-PM2 is coming in at £500 for a kit - which is more than I want to spend on an impulse buy spog fucked around with this message at 11:54 on Jan 8, 2013 |
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That's weird, all my local retail has the PZ cheaper than either of the prime lenses (not by a whole lot, about $50, but still). I didn't check Amazon but I assumed it would be the same there. And yeah, I think your reasoning with the GF5 is the best way to do it. I was tempted to pick up the E-PM2 and a GF2 kit w/14mm lens for AU$300, but then I found a 14mm for $200 on eBay which I'm 99% certain was part of a kit. Saved me $100 of outright spending and the effort of selling the body.
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So last night I went to a local camera store that sells Leica systems. After reading about these things and seeing how expensive everything was, I wanted to check one out in person, purely out of morbid curiosity. They had an m9 with a 35mm f/2 on display, and the thing had what amounted to a dead battery in it, so I wasn't able to see how it shot, but while I was peeking through the viewfinder and trying the focus, all I could think of is how much it reminded me of my mother's old Canonette. Honestly, the thing felt like a dinosaur, and the 7-segment counter visible through the viewfinder wasn't helping change that opinion. On the flip side, it was built like a tank, and I am honestly intrigued at how using something like that would change the way I take photos. Sadly, the body alone would require serious saving, and I would likely only be able to afford one lens, and not even a Leica branded one at that.
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The depreciation of digital gear would scare me away personally. Nevermind that you could get a high-end scanner, a stone mint M6 or a couple bessas/minoltas and a few lenses for the price of one body.
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If anyone is looking for a 4/3 adapter to m4/3 for Oly. Amazon has the MMF-3 for $110 and there is an Olympus rebate (as a Visa gift Card) for $50 on it. Link To MMF-3 Link To Rebate
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ThisQuietReverie posted:X100 video showing focus peaking, AF speed, Q menu, split image focusing, new focus point select method, and the new Auto ISO operation: Yup buying the poo poo out of it when it comes out.
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Baron Dirigible posted:That's weird, all my local retail has the PZ cheaper than either of the prime lenses (not by a whole lot, about $50, but still). I didn't check Amazon but I assumed it would be the same there. Congratulations, you've just cost me £305!
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krooj posted:So last night I went to a local camera store that sells Leica systems. After reading about these things and seeing how expensive everything was, I wanted to check one out in person, purely out of morbid curiosity. They had an m9 with a 35mm f/2 on display, and the thing had what amounted to a dead battery in it, so I wasn't able to see how it shot, but while I was peeking through the viewfinder and trying the focus, all I could think of is how much it reminded me of my mother's old Canonette. Honestly, the thing felt like a dinosaur, and the 7-segment counter visible through the viewfinder wasn't helping change that opinion. On the flip side, it was built like a tank, and I am honestly intrigued at how using something like that would change the way I take photos. Sadly, the body alone would require serious saving, and I would likely only be able to afford one lens, and not even a Leica branded one at that. Well for one, a lot of my friends who use a Leica, whether digital or film, tend to use it with zone focusing when doing street photography so I think that would change the way you take photos.
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I was randomly walking around Best Buy today and was playing with a NEX-5R. I have to say, I'm extremely wanting for it. I'll have to look for a used/refurbished body later this Summer when I can afford to replace my NEX-3.
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alkanphel posted:Well for one, a lot of my friends who use a Leica, whether digital or film, tend to use it with zone focusing when doing street photography so I think that would change the way you take photos. Right, and that actually has appeal to me; not that the same style of photography can't be applied with other camera types, it's just that other body types offer conveniences that make focusing like this a tertiary thought, if that. Regarding rangefinders in general, it would be significantly cheaper up front to get an older M6 or M4-P and either a Zeiss or Cosina lens (which I can re-use on my X-E1). Film scanners seem to be a couple hundred, and I can do B&W processing in my bathroom, if need be. To go much cheaper, I can try to get a Canon QL or Canonet, though I need to read up on what they offer in terms of lenses... but I digress. Really excited to see what the Fuji 23mm (~35 eff.) is like 
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krooj posted:Right, and that actually has appeal to me; not that the same style of photography can't be applied with other camera types, it's just that other body types offer conveniences that make focusing like this a tertiary thought, if that. Cheaper yet to go Voigtlander Rangefinder body and lenses.
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krooj posted:Regarding rangefinders in general, it would be significantly cheaper up front to get an older M6 or M4-P and either a Zeiss or Cosina lens (which I can re-use on my X-E1). Film scanners seem to be a couple hundred, and I can do B&W processing in my bathroom, if need be. To go much cheaper, I can try to get a Canon QL or Canonet, though I need to read up on what they offer in terms of lenses... but I digress. A lot of my friends either pick the M2 or M6, then for a lens the 35mm value for money choice would be the Cosina Voigtlander 35/1.4 MC. IF you need cheaper you can get a Bessa R3A/M like what Musket said, although every one of my friends who started with a Bessa have now upgraded to Leica M2/4/6s in the end.
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In regards to the X100s - I've never pre-ordered a camera before. Is there typically any reason to pick one of Amazon/Adorama/B&H over another?
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Baron Dirigible posted:That's weird, all my local retail has the PZ cheaper than either of the prime lenses (not by a whole lot, about $50, but still). I didn't check Amazon but I assumed it would be the same there. Shitf*ck! I just received my GF5 after a day of waiting in for delivery. It came with the big 14-42mm lens, not the tiny Power OS one. It's a gently caress up on their part as they quote the correct lens model in the description. and, as a final kick in the teeth, the online price has just been reduced by £30. So, I can take it back for a full refund. Or I can take it back, refund it and then rebuy it for £30 cheaper. According to Amazon prices, the kit with the big lens is £295, the small lens is £483....is it really worth £188 for a smaller, but not faster, lens?
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Dkennedys8 posted:If anyone is looking for a 4/3 adapter to m4/3 for Oly. Amazon has the MMF-3 for $110 and there is an Olympus rebate (as a Visa gift Card) for $50 on it. drat it, right after I got one myself.
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spog posted:According to Amazon prices, the kit with the big lens is £295, the small lens is £483....is it really worth £188 for a smaller, but not faster, lens? It's about the same or worse, depending on who you ask. I'd wager there's quite a bit of sample variation since some rate it higher than the older 14-45 and some say it's worse than even the old oly kit. It's only small when not in use, it extends when you turn the camera on. Its main advantage is that it's quiet/smooth for video use. I wouldn't bother with the expense.
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Startyde posted:It's about the same or worse, depending on who you ask. I'd wager there's quite a bit of sample variation since some rate it higher than the older 14-45 and some say it's worse than even the old oly kit. It's only small when not in use, it extends when you turn the camera on. Its main advantage is that it's quiet/smooth for video use. I wouldn't bother with the expense. I was gutted at first. Now, I am looking at the options and it still seems a good deal, even though it is not the spectacular one I first thought. I paid £300 for the GF5 + 14-42 (big) Amazon says it should be £300 for the body+big or £485 for body+small Even ebay only trims £50 of those prices. My gut feeling is that I'm going to be buying a 14/20mm prime anyway as I am a fast lens junkie, so why spend another £100+ for a smaller lens that I won't like?
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spog posted:My gut feeling is that I'm going to be buying a 14/20mm prime anyway as I am a fast lens junkie, so why spend another £100+ for a smaller lens that I won't like? This is true. If you've got an MFT body and don't have the 20mm you're missing out. If I ever jump systems I'll keep around something just as a rear lens cap for it.
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Startyde posted:This is true. If you've got an MFT body and don't have the 20mm you're missing out. If I ever jump systems I'll keep around something just as a rear lens cap for it. The nice lady at Argos just refunded me £30, so I am keeping it. I think that £270 for the GF5 + big 14-42mm is worth it (it's practically the body-only price). I'll get a prime in the near future - possibly from ebay and save a bit of money (I don't mind used/imported lenses, but bodies I prefer to buy new from a local retailer). I could have got a better lens with a GF3 for the same price, but it would always nag me that the GF3 isn't quite as good as the GF5.
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For the longest time I had been telling myself that I wouldn't really need the 20mm since I already had the awesome 25mm prime. But secretly, I have been coveting the 20mm all the time. It's just so flaaat  Your posts finally drove me over the edge and I placed the order.. Edit: oh and I also ordered the BlackRapid Metro strap. I've had a clunky and ugly homemade sling strap for a while now j.peeba fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Jan 10, 2013 |
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3 hours to charge the battery!! How does such a small battery hold that much electricity? I can't find any 3rd party replacements in the UK and £20 for a genuine one is a bit rich. What are people doing for cases? It;s small enough to stick in the bottom of a bag, along with my keys, etc.
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I just got a (Samsung) 30mm f/2 pancake lens mostly because I could and it was fairly cheap ($200) but I'm wondering if the low-light performance is really going to be that much better than the 18-55 OIS, considering that the kit zoom performs best around 30mm and the pancake doesn't have any IS. I mean it should be better with a tripod or on a flat surface but otherwise it seems like one would be better off with a smaller aperture and IS.
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DJExile posted:drat it, right after I got one myself. Yea it's a good deal. Even bought it before I ordered my OM-D. Which just came today! drat is Live Time a cool feature.
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spog posted:What are people doing for cases? It;s small enough to stick in the bottom of a bag, along with my keys, etc. I use an everready style "leather" case from amazon. Doesn't add too much to the bulk and the bottom half adds a lot of grip to make handling easier.
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Goddamn why can't this camera be a little cheaper  http://rx1files.tumblr.com/
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After 1 week with mine, it's worth every single penny to me. I don't even want to pick up anything else.
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I'm still baffled as to why it doesn't have a built in evf.
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Because it would have to be a bigger camera. I'd rather have it fit in my jacket pocket. The lcd is fine, even in bright sunlight.
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Just got a NEX-5R and I'm looking into old manual fast primes. Not looking into spending too much, but is there a consensus for a best bang for your buck combo? Looking for a 50mm or a 35mm equivalent on the APS-C sensor. What are you guys' favourite inexpensive manual focus lenses for the NEX?
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Constellation I posted:Just got a NEX-5R and I'm looking into old manual fast primes. Not looking into spending too much, but is there a consensus for a best bang for your buck combo? Minolta SR-mount lenses (MD and MC) are small, built like tanks and pretty drat great optically. There was a review of one of the cheapest ones on SAL recently (link) which makes a decent case for them. As for the quoted focal lengths, you'll find some very decent 50mm equivalents (~30mm) with reasonable price-tags, but a Rokkor-brand 35mm equivalent (~20mm) is significantly more expensive. Sigma actually made some surprisingly good lenses for the mount though, their Super Wide II (24mm f/2.8) is just as good as any non-German lens from the same decade
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Constellation I posted:Just got a NEX-5R and I'm looking into old manual fast primes. Not looking into spending too much, but is there a consensus for a best bang for your buck combo? Pentax K-mount is a good system to go with because lenses are plentiful and if you can't get a Pentax-branded lens, there were/are lots of companies that made K-mount lenses. K-mount also easily adapts to M42 screw mount which expands your lens possibilities even more. Personally, I use Olympus OM lenses which are excellent, but they're a little more expensive and harder to find. I'm only using them because I was already using OM cameras and had the lenses. Like Tzar said, finding a 50mm equivalent won't be too bad because back in the film days, 28mm f/2.8 lenses were common, but finding a 35mm equivalent will be difficult because ultra-wides were not very common. The Sony 16mm f/2.8 will give you roughly 28mm equivalent coverage.
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RustedChrome posted:After 1 week with mine, it's worth every single penny to me. I don't even want to pick up anything else. I hate you 
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HPL posted:. Wouldn't the 16mm translate to a 24mm equivalent?
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Played with a Sony NEX 6 today, and I'm really considering if I still want to upgrade to the X100s. Really nice camera, I just don't know what I'd stick on there as a "killer" lens. I've been spoiled with the Fuji 23mm f2.teraflame posted:I'm still baffled as to why it doesn't have a built in evf. Because they made the NEX 6.
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rio posted:Wouldn't the 16mm translate to a 24mm equivalent? Yes but 28mm is a more common focal length. That and I said "roughly".
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