Walter posted:

I don't want to be a huge douche here, and I'm not trying to pick on you specifically, but can we please not turn into Reddit with this reflexive "citations please" posting garbage?

With literally the keywords "Hitler loosened gun restrictions" on Google you get pages of references. It's not hard to look through a few to find one that can be trusted (including the link that was posted in response to this request, which was four links down from the top of the first page's results).

Seriously, I suspect we're all college-educated people or college students in here. Research is a skill we are *all* supposed to have developed to some extent. Exercise that skill. Please.

clockworx posted:

SalTheBard posted:

One of the people I posted this link too accused it of having a liberal bias and then proceeded to counter with the "War of Words" video that was posted earlier in this thread.

ratbert90 posted:

Anytime I hear the words liberal bias or any other bias meme that the republicans have thought of, my brain shuts off and I can't continue on with the conversation anymore.

ratbert90 posted:

Anytime I hear the words liberal bias or any other bias meme that the republicans have thought of, my brain shuts off and I can't continue on with the conversation anymore.

Ghost of Reagan Past posted:

I'm always reminded of this research when someone accuses me of bias.

peak debt posted:

When the Allies disarmed the Germans again in 1945 there were tons of weapons in private ownership.

Ghost of Reagan Past posted:

I'm always reminded of this research when someone accuses me of bias.

KillerJunglist posted:

My one facebook "friend" is on a roll:

downout posted:

I'm starting to think it's completely made up.

seiferguy posted:

I've determined that the issue with guns is that people in America are willing to die over them ("Pry them from my cold, dead hands"). People love their guns more than they love their children. And that's where it gets weird and crazy.

downout posted:

This quote keeps being attibuted to George Washington on my FB feed.

[quote="George Washington"]
When any nation mistrusts it's citizens with guns it is sending a clear message. It no longer trusts it's citizens because such a government has evil plans.
[quote]

The problem is I can't find a single source that has him saying this. I'm starting to think it's completely made up.

dalstrs posted:

Has anyone seen a study that shows a comparison between the number accidental child gun deaths and the number of crimes stopped by citizens using their guns? I have a feeling it the first number is much larger than the second.

Aika posted:

Not an email, but I need to post this somewhere so I don't froth with rage on facebook and get my whole family angry with me.

This was posted by my ex-army cousin who is now a stay-at-home milwife popping out kids like it's out of style:



And she's 100% serious. I want to bang my head against a wall.

KillerJunglist posted:

Great picture too. Gun control? No way! Here, have a picture of a guy taken hostage at gun point.

KillerJunglist posted:

I know the rest are just conservative talking points, but I thought the right was super worried that liberals wanted to give everyone health care.

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

There was a big study back in the 90s done by the CDC that showed that guns end up increasing your risk rather than reducing it.

The NRA didn't like it, the next year the CDC had their budget cut by exactly the cost of that study and we're forbidden from doing research that could support gun control.

http://www.cdc.gov/od/pgo/funding/grants/additional_req.shtm

"Restrictions on lobbying activities described above also specifically apply to lobbying related to any proposed, pending, or future Federal, state, or local tax increase, or any proposed, pending, or future requirement or restriction on any legal consumer product, including its sale or marketing, including but not limited to the advocacy or promotion of gun control."

Edit:
I don't want to start a gun debate. If you have a gun to protect your family, I totally understand the values and feelings that go into that decision. I just hope you do a thorough risk assessment and take appropriate steps to protect yourself and family from the real dangers that an available firearm can present.

myron cope posted:

The part I don't understand about the "hitler took all the guns, look what happened!!" stuff (even if it were true), is there are other countries that have effectively banned guns and aren't under some crazy dictatorship, right? They say it like it will DEFINITELY happen. Doesn't England have super tough gun control laws? Or have they not gone all the way and outright banned/collected guns so it's ok?

Or is it just a matter of time before English people are put into the ovens?

Doctor Butts posted:

This meme seems to be popping up on Facebook a lot and it is really bothering me.

It's not like the colonists were stockpiling weapons for a Duty Free Indian Hunting Day in the Appalachians.

Amused to Death posted:

The colonists were stock piling weapons because revolution was already being fermented with things that had nothing to do with guns. The attempt to seize the Concord stockpiles was just the catalyst that set it off.

Also the minutemen on Lexington Green got mowed down and ran off the green because as always, a small group of random people with guns do terrible when up against professional troops.

Doctor Butts posted:

Job Truniht posted:

Why did they have to photoshop M4s into the picture?

Job Truniht posted:

Why doesn't that guy have trigger discipline? Why do the redcoats have standard muskets? This picture is mind numbingly stupid.

Sporadic posted:

clockworx posted:

some republicans girlfriend posted:

Ronald Reagan agreed to $3 in spending cuts for every dollar taxes increased (taxes went up, spending cuts never came to fruition). Also, George H. W. Bush agreed to $2 in spending cuts for every dollar taxes increased (again, the taxes came - and we still pay them today - but the spending cuts never happened).

Now, for every $43 in tax increases, there will only be $1 in spending cuts. Not only is the ratio not even anywhere close, it's going in the opposite direction. Spending will continue and continue, and raised taxes will not even come close to covering it. Obama's "the rich pay a little more" plan would only run our government for eight days per year. Meanwhile, hypothetically, if we were able to somehow liquidize the money spent on entitlements like food stamps and Obamaphones, it would come out to approximately $67,000 per household, per year (which would mean that 100% of Americans would fall well above the poverty level).

Instead, our worthless government continues to throw money into entitlements. Anti-poverty programs have surged by 49% in just the past decade, even after adjusting for inflation. Spending for food stamps alone has more than tripled since 2002. Over $2 billion was spent on entitlements in fiscal year 2012. It is expected that it will be at least that next year as well, and none of these figures reflect the $1.7 trillion that Obamacare is going to cost us.

Meanwhile, our worthless president issued an executive order for people like Congress members and Joe Biden to receive a pay raise to make up for the tax increase so they don't have to adjust their lavish lifestyles. He also returned to his 20-day, $4 million vacation (complete with the guy who "handles" the family dog - and gets paid $102,000 of taxpayer dollars annually to do so) in Hawaii on the day that I, along with all my coworkers, will begin to pay a minimum of $100 per month in additional taxes.

Obama supporters who work for a living (I know that's a small group): how do you defend your president refusing to cut entitlement spending while raising taxes? Are you HAPPY to hand over this extra money every month?

poopinmymouth posted:

This posted yet?

poopinmymouth posted:

This posted yet?

Eulogistics posted:

The side in a discussion that makes a claim should always be the side that backs up the claim with citations/sources; in any responsible discussion, the other side should not have to run around and figure out if what you said is true. Similarly, just because people use "citations please" as a snarky response on Reddit(that's what I'm assuming happens because it riled you, I never have occasion to visit Reddit) does not mean that all people who do it are being similarly snark; I would rather be in a discussion where everyone demands sources than a discussion where no one does.

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The Will of the People Has Spoken and America Died
Dr. Ileana Johnson Paugh Wednesday, November 7, 2012


Our Constitutional Republic died a peaceful death on November 6, 2012. Having reached the point of no return in a comatose state after years of progressive and illegal immigration assaults, the fabric of conservative society is now completely unraveled and Uncle Sam's America is no more.

The United States of America is now relegated to the dust bin of history as a "has been" empire. The Shining City on the Hill, the hope of so many millions since July 4, 1776, no longer exists. What rises from the ashes is a country that few of us will recognize, like, or learn to accept submissively.

After 236 years of existence, a new country emerges today, run by secular progressives who rejected our Constitution, what we stand for, and who we are as a nation. The Supreme Court will be forever altered after its last conservative members will be replaced by the liberal academics who call themselves "progressives." The rule of law will be implemented by Executive Orders, making Congress irrelevant.

The communist motto "Forward" that resonated with so many ignorant Americans will plunge us into many years of darkness from which we will never be able to recover. We have proven our Founding Fathers right, they did give us a Constitutional Republic and we were unable to maintain it.

The forces of the failed communist fundamental transformation that were driven underground in many places around the world, resurfaced with a vengeance in the United States and have now taken over.

How long we will still have freedom of speech, movement, assembly, and control of our private property remains to be seen. Faith and churches will be driven underground; allowing secularism to prosper and take deep roots among the progressives whose God is Mother Earth.

The welfare dependent Americans, unions, and illegal aliens have chosen for the rest of us the dark path of serfdom to big government and to socialist utopia.

Who would have guessed that the very people who were complaining that the government is not extricating them from disaster or giving them the help they needed in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy, would vote for the very politicians who turned their backs on needy Americans after the lights went dark when the political photo opportunities ended?

Who would have guessed that Americans were as ignorant and irresponsible as to choose fiscal destruction over fiscal sanity for their children and grandchildren, secularism and communism over faith, dependence over personal responsibility and self-reliance?

Americans have been protesting for the last four years the dismal state of the economy and the direction of our country, the corruption of our politicians, and the loss of personal and economic freedom.

Rallies in support of conservatism overwhelmed venues for Mitt Romney while rallies for our bumbling President became scarcer and scarcer. Yet, miraculously, at the ballot box, our President won all over the country.

We lost seats in the Senate. Americans chose liars and cheats to be their Senators and Representatives, rejecting those who protected the Constitution. The candidate from Massachusetts who claimed direct American Indian lineage to Pocahontas is now a Senator, having defeated Scott Brown. Representative Allen West lost his seat by a narrow margin to the infamous Wasserman Schultz from Florida.

Americans chose high unemployment, reduction of our military, communist indoctrination of their children, and loss of personal freedoms unlike we have never seen before in this country.

I am saddened by the loss of millions and millions of American soldiers who have died to preserve freedom yet we lost it on November 6, 2012. Those buried in cemeteries around the world and at Arlington must be rolling in their graves today. We shamelessly allowed their sacrifice of blood and treasure to go in vain. We have no honor because we let down all the soldiers who fought in recent times and returned home limbless with lives shattered from physical and mental wounds of war.

I mourn today the loss of my adopted country. I have fought hard over the last four years to prevent its overt and accelerated destruction but the darker forces stronger than many of us have overcome concerted efforts by millions of Americans to maintain the Republic. Mediocrity, sloth, godlessness, dependence, cowardice, using the law selectively or ignoring it, and hopeless corruption will define the new country. Only God can save us now with his mercy and grace.

"When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance becomes Duty." ~Thomas Jefferson

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Now, for every $43 in tax increases, there will only be $1 in spending cuts. Not only is the ratio not even anywhere close, it's going in the opposite direction.

quote:

Spending will continue and continue, and raised taxes will not even come close to covering it. Obama's "the rich pay a little more" plan would only run our government for eight days per year.

quote:

Meanwhile, hypothetically, if we were able to somehow liquidize the money spent on entitlements like food stamps and Obamaphones, it would come out to approximately $67,000 per household, per year (which would mean that 100% of Americans would fall well above the poverty level).

quote:

Instead, our worthless government continues to throw money into entitlements. Anti-poverty programs have surged by 49% in just the past decade, even after adjusting for inflation. Spending for food stamps alone has more than tripled since 2002. Over $2 billion was spent on entitlements in fiscal year 2012. It is expected that it will be at least that next year as well, and none of these figures reflect the $1.7 trillion that Obamacare is going to cost us.

quote:

Meanwhile, our worthless president issued an executive order for people like Congress members and Joe Biden to receive a pay raise to make up for the tax increase so they don't have to adjust their lavish lifestyles. He also returned to his 20-day, $4 million vacation (complete with the guy who "handles" the family dog - and gets paid $102,000 of taxpayer dollars annually to do so) in Hawaii on the day that I, along with all my coworkers, will begin to pay a minimum of $100 per month in additional taxes.

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Obama supporters who work for a living (I know that's a small group): how do you defend your president refusing to cut entitlement spending while raising taxes? Are you HAPPY to hand over this extra money every month?

KillerJunglist posted:

Geez a lot of these have been turning up lately. I think some people I actually know and talk to are starting to develop opinions based on facebook crap.



Follow up that I posted for her: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/09/mom-shot-intruder/1821905/

by her own admission the guy pleaded for her to stop shooting. This is that "Break into my house to see how I feel about gun control!" fantasy but with a scarred woman being guided by her husband to empty a clip into the intruder.

MariusLecter posted:

Wow, she could have stopped him by answering the door or at any time actually confronting the guy, gun or no gun.
+150 points for hiding in the closet and ambushing the guy though.