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My dad has cancer. If you ever get cancer, be prepared for people to tell you about home remedy cancer cures like Essiac or Flor-Essence tea. Thirty seconds of googling will make it abundantly clear that they are about as effective as rhino horns and tiger penises.
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Steve Yun posted:My dad has cancer. I'm really sorry to hear that. I'd find it hard not to be really aggressive with people who promulgated those home cures. The only thing that would stop me from lashing out (physically or verbally) would be the constant thought, repeated to myself so I don't forget it, that they mean well. Even if they are loving morons.
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Jan 10, 2013 13:01
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Ignorance and idiocy should be challenged wherever and whenever it is met.
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Jan 10, 2013 14:13
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So sorry to hear that  And do you mean as opposed as to encouraged?
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Jan 10, 2013 16:05
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therattle posted:I'm really sorry to hear that. Some of these people are aggressive as gently caress in their missionary ways. Some gently caress did the rounds at the hospice my aunt (and later my dad) was in during the last weeks of her life and tried to convince people, very loudly, that they really needed to chew licorice root or whatever the gently caress. It was as bad as someone telling a terminal patient to repent their ways and Jesus would heal them. If I had been there, I don't think I could have stopped myself from throwing him out bodily - thankfully, the nurses in places like that are amazing and got rid of him quite fast. Well-wishing and sympathy is all good, as is the urge to help, but... yeah. Pisses me off. Like Jehova's witnesses who check the death notices and start coming a-knockin' to console the bereaved. <going to go smoke an angry cigarette and drink an angry cup of coffee to get my blood pressure down>
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Jan 10, 2013 16:47
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therattle posted:I'm really sorry to hear that.
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Jan 10, 2013 18:46
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Yawgmoth posted:I think if it were me, after the first incident I would say "I know you're just trying to help, but it's obvious you don't know a goddamn thing about medicine and I am not in any condition to listen to your conspiracy theories." After that, they get no quarter. I like this. Especially if you are holding something (like a bottle) somewhat menacingly. People like that make me almost as angry as anti-vac people, for whom I hold a special place in my rage-filled heart.
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Jan 10, 2013 19:55
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Who the hell doesn't like you hoovering?
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Jan 10, 2013 21:07
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therattle posted:I like this. Especially if you are holding something (like a bottle) somewhat menacingly. People like that make me almost as angry as anti-vac people, for whom I hold a special place in my rage-filled heart. I wish a particularly virulent strain of smallpox on those people. Idiots.
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Jan 10, 2013 21:17
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I try to be at least somewhat sympathetic with those idiots, given that the non-alternative medicines we use to fight cancer are simply poison. I have no doubt that 50 years from now we will look back at chemotherapy and think it barbaric.
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Jan 10, 2013 21:19
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Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:I try to be at least somewhat sympathetic with those idiots, given that the non-alternative medicines we use to fight cancer are simply poison. I have no doubt that 50 years from now we will look back at chemotherapy and think it barbaric. For real. My sister got permanent brain damage from that when she was fighting leukemia, and it messed up a lot of other stuff too. Still, though, you go to work with the tools you have, etc. Steve, sorry about your dad.
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Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:I try to be at least somewhat sympathetic with those idiots, given that the non-alternative medicines we use to fight cancer are simply poison. I have no doubt that 50 years from now we will look back at chemotherapy and think it barbaric. e: I'm sorry, I misunderstood which idiots you were talking about. I see your point, but a lot of them are at best well-meaning snakeoil salesmen. e2: gently caress, I'm an rear end in a top hat: Steve, I'm really sorry for hijacking and jumping on my soapbox. I hope your dad and your family comes out okay. Dane fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Jan 10, 2013 |
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Jan 10, 2013 21:36
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Well I put having an issue with chemo and having an issue with vaccinations in different categories. Chemo has known, scientifically proven, deleterious effects. That's not to say their quack alternatives are anything more than placebo, just that it's justifiable to want to seek an alternative.
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I think that the one thing we can all agree on, though, is that cancer is a motherfucker.
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Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:I try to be at least somewhat sympathetic with those idiots, given that the non-alternative medicines we use to fight cancer are simply poison. I have no doubt that 50 years from now we will look back at chemotherapy and think it barbaric. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMaGnpVaSGQ The best parts are the first 30 seconds and 4:14 Alright, that's enough pity party, back to your regularly scheduled jibber jabber Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Jan 10, 2013 |
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Jan 10, 2013 21:53
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Mr. Wiggles posted:I think that the one thing we can all agree on, though, is that cancer is a motherfucker. I disagree.  Someone had to do it... Sorry. It's grim alright.
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Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:I try to be at least somewhat sympathetic with those idiots, given that the non-alternative medicines we use to fight cancer are simply poison. I have no doubt that 50 years from now we will look back at chemotherapy and think it barbaric. There is a lot more to cancer treatment than chemotherapy, though. Yes, several cancer treatments are pretty horrible (although I would argue that they are probably better than dying of cancer), but actually endocrine therapy and radiotherapy are highly effective and nowhere near as miserable for the patient. Trying to argue against them (in favour of homeopathy or whatever) is loving outrageous.
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Scientastic posted:There is a lot more to cancer treatment than chemotherapy, though. Well no poo poo.
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Some medical treatments are awful and make you sick before you get better, like chemotherapy. Recognizing that fact does not in any way validate the magical woo-woo bullshit sold by hucksters on badly-designed websites that look like they were made by a schizophrenic in 1995.
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Bertrand Hustle posted:Some medical treatments are awful and make you sick before you get better, like chemotherapy. Recognizing that fact does not in any way validate the magical woo-woo bullshit sold by hucksters on badly-designed websites that look like they were made by a schizophrenic in 1995. The problem with chemotherapy is it has long term, permanent effects. It's not just that it makes you sick for a while, it's that in many cases it makes you sick forever, particularly in the case of children. It kills off the fastest dividing cells, which, if you're a baby or a young child, is pretty much all of them. Also, understand the allure of alternatives treatments if you're the victim of an orphan cancer. No one is going to develop a drug for you, because if only a few hundred people are dying from your disease a year, it's not profitable. So people can easily be tempted by the promise of alternatives. It doesn't mean you're an idiot so much as it means you're desperate. There's lot of promising treatments being developed right now though. Stem cell treatments are of course one of them, as are targeted treatments based on the specific biology of a person's cancer. The latter allows them to administer a very narrowly focused chemo that does minimal collateral damage.
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Orphan means that the childs parents died, and it is nor being treated, because? If it is what I Think it is, then that is horribly inhumane!
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Sorry about your dad, Steve, that sucks so hard. My grandpa is currently having issues with cancer, too. Actually, he's probably going to die from it, but I'm the only one willing to admit it right now. Goddamn I hate "alternative medicine" people. There are some things considered "alternative" that actually do something (like acupuncture/pressure), but there's so much loving bullshit. when given the opportunity, I generally respond with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:There's lot of promising treatments being developed right now though. Stem cell treatments are of course one of them, as are targeted treatments based on the specific biology of a person's cancer. The latter allows them to administer a very narrowly focused chemo that does minimal collateral damage. Oh man, when I first heard about the latter, I was like  SCIENCE IS AWESOME. The Gamma knife stuff is cool, too.Happy Hat, that means that only a small amount of people have or ever have had the type of cancer in question.
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Lyssavirus posted:
Ahh, I was thinking after the deal last year with FGR and then I May have jumped to an inference that was wrong.
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Lyssavirus posted:Happy Hat, that means that only a small amount of people have or ever have had the type of cancer in question. Specifically, it's probably a one-off mutation that is specific to the person, and in most cases will be incurable without broad chemotherapy, which will probably kill you anyways. My grandpa has beaten cancer twice now, here's hoping he doesn't have to go for round three.
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Chef De Cuisinart posted:My grandpa has beaten cancer twice now, here's hoping he doesn't have to go for round three. My grandfather had esophageal cancer, and the the third time was enough; he decided to go into hospice. He was 92, and he was done fighting. I don't blame him at all. He didn't regret the first two rounds of cancer treatment, though, it bought him 5 more years of life that was worth living. The crazy alternative "cures" seem pretty rampant on FaceBook, like that onion bullshit we were talking about a few pages back. Since my girlfriend's blog deals with healthy eating, it seems to attract a lot of that insanity, including the anti-vac folks. That said, they are still less crazy then the militant vegans that used to stalk her page. therattle posted:anti-vac people, for whom I hold a special place in my rage-filled heart. Well said. I almost wish I believed in hell, so that I could drat them to it.
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Squashy Nipples posted:My grandfather had esophageal cancer, and the the third time was enough; he decided to go into hospice. He was 92, and he was done fighting. I don't blame him at all. Mine had colon, then skin cancer on his nose. The joke is that his face looks like his rear end, because that's where they grafted the skin from(no, really, rear end skin is the best, according to his doctor.) But he's only 68ish, and an angry old man, cancer is easy for him 
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I knew a guy that burned his hands when he was young, so they grafted rear end skin to his hands. He would sometimes put his hand on your shoulder or whatever and deadpan, "I'm touching you with my butt." 
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Chef De Cuisinart posted:Specifically, it's probably a one-off mutation that is specific to the person, and in most cases will be incurable without broad chemotherapy, which will probably kill you anyways. Orphan disease just means that it affects a small portion of the population. All childhood cancers are considered orphan diseases since it's relatively rare.
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Here's hoping for the best, Dane. Unrelated, new router means internet that works right. Which means more music. The Reverend Horton Heat is fantastic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URVaQ3v0svE
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Lyssavirus posted:I knew a guy that burned his hands when he was young, so they grafted rear end skin to his hands. He would sometimes put his hand on your shoulder or whatever and deadpan, "I'm touching you with my butt." I used to have webbing between two fingers on my left hand. Now I have rear end skin there, and two giant scars on my butt.
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Scientastic posted:I used to have webbing between two fingers on my left hand. Now I have rear end skin there, and two giant scars on my butt. Please tell that your butt is webbed now too!!
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I had a teacher who had thigh skin grafted onto his palm. He had to shave it
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Happy Hat posted:Please tell that your butt is webbed now too!! That is a most unfortunate image.
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pile of brown posted:I had a teacher who had thigh skin grafted onto his palm. He had to shave it Likely story. He was obviously a chronic masturbator 
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thank gently caress CES is over, my feet are killing me. highlights of the trip: -elevator slammed shut on me like in cartoons -cut foot open on hotel chair -how do you people live in the desert i mean i still think i'm dehydrated -bloggers who don't understand why pr people and engineers don't want to talk to a neckbeard wearing stained t-shirts from the internet
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Eat This Glob posted:Likely story. He was obviously a chronic masturbator Let's be honest if this were true, every 15-year old would have beards hitting the floor
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Did you meet any internet celebrities?
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Long as were still sharing details of wall let me add mine to the mix. On New Year's Eve I went out with my kid, because it's her birthday, and we went snow tubing. I'll keep the details short, but in the course of snow tubing I dislocated the gently caress out of my shoulder. I hate my elbow really hard and when I looked over at that arm my shoulder was by my ear. Also had increased in pain significantly from zero to holy poo poo! I gently pulled it down on my arm and my entire arm slid down my chest! This is a sensation if you've never had it it is difficult to describe. The wife and gathered all the youngsters into the minivan and she drove me to the hospital. They shot me up with morphine ( 16 mg total ) and eventually were able to a reset the shoulder. The level of pain you are in when you have managed to completely and thoroughly dislocated her shoulder is excruciating. When the nurse asked me what my pain level was like on a level of 1 to 10 I said "well I am alternating between hyperventilating, nausea, and flop sweat, and there's no position where my shoulder does not feel like it's on fire." The nurse said "I think I'll mark that in eight." I said that sounds reasonable, I anticipated that a 10 meant the person was simply screaming and incoherent. So, I go to work with my arm strapped to my side because I have to immobilize my shoulder for 96 hours and make myself feel a tiny bit better, I grab a piece of candy out of the candy dish. It's a hard candy, mint and I decided to bite down on it. I broke one of my teeth right the gently caress in half. This is also something that is excruciatingly painful. God has apparently decided to repay all my lovely karma all at once! Worst part was I had a decent dose of narcotics but since I was in lots of pain it basically just made me dizzy. Then they told me I shouldnt drink on new years eve because mixing alcohol and narcotics has a synergistic effect and you can end up dead. Edit: drat Siri translation. NosmoKing fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Jan 12, 2013 |
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NosmoKing posted:Long as were still sharing details of wall let me add mine to the mix. On New Year's Eve I went out with my kid, because it's her birthday, and we went snow tubing. I'll keep the details short, but in the course of snow tubing I dislocated the gently caress out of my shoulder. I hate my Elbel really hard and when I looked over at that arm my shoulder was by my ear. Ouch. I guess you're dictating your posts. My wife wants me to make clear that I wrongly thought that sea lions were similar to walruses; in reality they are closer to seals. HAPPY NOW, LAURA!?? Edit: Laura says yes.
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