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kik2dagroin posted:He just had a caller (probably a FReeper The caller was kinda right about this. The first battles of the American revolution were fought to stop British troops from destroying the stockpiles of weapons the militias had built up. Granted something like this will never happen today but a man can dream of the crushing of the freep revolution.
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) come on and parrot two points I've heard on the extreme right wing: (1) The American Revolution was started over the British taking the colonists' guns
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Kiwi Bigtree posted:What is it with all these old metalheads going hard right in old age? I mean, I do not expect them to be socialists or anything, but its weird to see a bunch of former counter-culture jeans, titties, leather, and satan types all saying "I vote for the old white guys in suits now." The Nuge has always been right wing, but metal dudes are more reactionary than anything else. Almost all the bands railing against Reagan in the 80s were just as pissy about Clinton.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:The caller was kinda right about this. The first battles of the American revolution were fought to stop British troops from destroying the stockpiles of weapons the militias had built up. Granted something like this will never happen today but a man can dream of the crushing of the freep revolution. True. But I was listening to Hannity last night (I know, I know) and he reminded me of why I hate second amendment worshippers so much. They never read the FULL amendment. Since you brought up the militias, I thought that was worth mentioning here, since that's the part they always leave out. Sean read (part of) the constitution as if it were delivered on high by Moses himself but selectively edits the first part of it. I know gun talk is genuinely frowned upon here, but what he was doing reminds me of the way conservatives selectively interpret the Bible, leaving out relevant parts but shouting out loud the parts that back up their mindset. watt par posted:The Nuge has always been right wing, but metal dudes are more reactionary than anything else. Almost all the bands railing against Reagan in the 80s were just as pissy about Clinton. You left out Alice Cooper too. When Marilyn Manson turns fifty, I wonder if he'll be a GOP shill too. Also, Ted Nugent is a pedophile so gently caress him. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Jan 10, 2013 |
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I did not intend to give the impression that the caller is wrong, but it would be a logical first step for a government to want to disarm people rebelling against it. While true, the point is twisted to suit the right's narrative that if guns are controlled in the slightest then people will lose their ability to defend themselves. Defend themselves from what? Any number of boogey men they can invent that week to scare their base into complacence. And just what type of consequences will there be if they make this unprecedented grab for your constitutionally protected firearms? Well, that's just left for the reader/listener to imagine. After all, what would you do if a jackbooted thug from the government knocked on your door and told you he was going to confiscate your only means of defense against a tyrannical government that wants to give your tax monies to non-white Christians? 
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Lemonus posted:Ok so this piece of garbage from the Washington Times... A few pages back, but... 1) It's true that the payroll tax cut wasn't extended, but are these douches seriously suggesting Obama WOULDN'T have extended it if he got the opportunity? 2) Do they not realize that gloating about this sort of poo poo interferes with the stereotype they have of Obama that he hates the rich and would do ANYTHING to reward the filthy masses?
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One thing to remember about a lot of 70s/80s hair metal is that there's a crazy amount of machismo and macho posturing involved in it. It tends to attract shitheads. You add in the 'fruitier' aspects that came with the era, and a lot of them get overly defensive, snapping back at them, siding with the Republicans due to the GOP being great at posturing with the gently caress THOSE LIBERAL HIPPIES image. Mustaine's a pretty good musician and knows his poo poo in that regard, but he's still pretty much a mindless meathead whose attached himself to Alex Jones. Of course, not all aging metalheads are shitheads: Mitt Romney is a Monster.  Lemmy posted:I mean the alternative is Mitt Romney. Please, please don't vote for Mitt Romney. gently caress him. Repeal abortion law is the first thing he'll do. loving monster.
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Wheresmy5bucks posted:One thing to remember about a lot of 70s/80s hair metal is that there's a crazy amount of machismo and macho posturing involved in it. It tends to attract shitheads. You add in the 'fruitier' aspects that came with the era, and a lot of them get overly defensive, snapping back at them, siding with the Republicans due to the GOP being great at posturing with the gently caress THOSE LIBERAL HIPPIES image. Just more proof that Lemmy is god. 
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Jonathan Davis, the lead singer of Korn, is also a loving crazy right-wing conspiracy theorist. Their last album was about the illuminati, I guess (I listen to good music, so I wouldn't know ). If I remember correctly, he's also done a bunch of interviews questioning the "official story" of what happened on 9/11. I stand by my contention that talent and right-wing views are inversely proportional when it comes to American musicians. Although, I do like some of Ted Nugent's stuff, but really only because he has really loving good taste in equipment and has a killer tone.
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Jan 10, 2013 22:35
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Sir Tonk posted:The gift that keeps on giving, right here. You know, that's not the first time I've heard a right-winger bring up Rosa Parks. Olympic Gold Medal diver David Boudia had this nugget a couple of months back: http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/david-boudia-sparks-controversy-with-tweet-comparing-rosa-parks-taxes-on-rich quote:Targeting the wealthy for tax raises is like telling Rosa Parks to move to the back of the bus #hardworkingcitzens So if it's not invoking Hitler, it's invoking Rosa Parks. Okay then.
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MaxxBot posted:In a sane society no one would but the other day he said that he had US senators calling him on his cell phone begging him to not call them RINOs over voting for the fiscal cliff deal. It's absurd to think of people with that much power groveling to this complete lunatic but with the climate of today's GOP I totally believe it. He's a megalomaniac who is absolutely not above bald-faced lying to his audience. A story like that makes him sound like he's a major player, and for that reason alone I actually suspect that it's 100% pure unadulterated horseshit. Frankly, if I were a GOP senator in danger of being called a RINO by Levin, I would never call him to beg. I'd be too afraid Levin would out me on his show.
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Jan 10, 2013 22:51
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BUSH 2112 posted:I do like some of Ted Nugent's stuff, but really only because he has really loving good taste in equipment and has a killer tone. Amboy Dukes were good Walter posted:He's a megalomaniac who is absolutely not above bald-faced lying to his audience. A story like that makes him sound like he's a major player, and for that reason alone I actually suspect that it's 100% pure unadulterated horseshit. There's no way senators call them, there is a local guy here in Nashville (who I think is syndicated elsewhere), named Phil Valentine and he likes name drop sometimes too. He's not nearly as bad as Levine though.
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Jan 10, 2013 23:15
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Kiwi Bigtree posted:What is it with all these old metalheads going hard right in old age? Look at their fan base. Without them they'd be nothing.
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beatlegs posted:Look at their fan base. Without them they'd be nothing. No kidding. Every grampas of thrash tour each band has to announce at least one song is for the troops and how they got their back because they've got ours and all the 40 year old honkies eat that poo poo up with a spoon. Wheresmy5bucks posted:Mustaine's a pretty good musician and knows his poo poo in that regard, but he's still pretty much a mindless meathead whose attached himself to Alex Jones. Dave Mustaine kicked the first drummer of Megadeth out because he didn't tell him he was black. Dude's always had issues, even if he was at his most sane and lucid when he was a crackhead. BiggerBoat posted:You left out Alice Cooper too. When Marilyn Manson turns fifty, I wonder if he'll be a GOP shill too. Also, Ted Nugent is a pedophile so gently caress him. I think in Alice Cooper's case it's the post-alcoholism born again evangelical thing plus living in Arizona that made him super right wing. Semi-related but all this musician chat reminds me of the funniest right wing musician surprise which has to be Moe Tucker showing up at a tea party rally: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v30CZ_g2aqQ Alec Bald Snatch fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Jan 11, 2013 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:The caller was kinda right about this. The first battles of the American revolution were fought to stop British troops from destroying the stockpiles of weapons the militias had built up. Granted something like this will never happen today but a man can dream of the crushing of the freep revolution. World War I wasn't about an archduke getting shot. The Civil War didn't happen because Fort Sumter was just so very philosophically important in and of itself to the Confederate states. The American revolution didn't happen because of attempts to take colonists' guns.
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berzerker posted:World War I wasn't about an archduke getting shot. The Civil War didn't happen because Fort Sumter was just so very philosophically important in and of itself to the Confederate states. The American revolution didn't happen because of attempts to take colonists' guns. No you see the American colonists fought a war for independence that any sane individual would have viewed as doomed from the word "go" over British gun-grabbers because
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Hannity was complaining this afternoon about Jack Lew's tenure at Citigroup, talking about the danger of regulatory capture. Then he blames Obama's far left beliefs for this nomination, because it's clearly how Marx would govern.
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berzerker posted:World War I wasn't about an archduke getting shot. The Civil War didn't happen because Fort Sumter was just so very philosophically important in and of itself to the Confederate states. The American revolution didn't happen because of attempts to take colonists' guns. No but the battles of Lexington and Concord, the first two of the revolution, were fought to stop a british column that was marching to seize a stockpile of militia weapons. I said he was kinda right because as everyone knows it literally wasn't just because of that weapon stockpile that we revolted and became a new country and that there were a lotta complex reasons for it.
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William Bear posted:Hannity was complaining this afternoon about Jack Lew's tenure at Citigroup, talking about the danger of regulatory capture. I'd almost be willing to be good money that Hannity is probably a voting, donating member of the Democratic Party.
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watt par posted:I think in Alice Cooper's case it's the post-alcoholism born again evangelical thing plus living in Arizona that made him super right wing. Semi-related but all this musician chat reminds me of the funniest right wing musician surprise which has to be Moe Tucker showing up at a tea party rally: I'm pretty sure Mustaine lived in Arizona for a pretty long time too, and is also born again after recovering from an injury.
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Phone posted:Profits aren't illegal, man. Well you know if they didn't do everything they could to maximize their profits that'd just be downright immoral.
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You know how Andrew Schlafly hates General Relativity because he's not smart enough to distinguish it from moral relativism? Here's a guy who thinks the distributive property in algebra is liberal propaganda.
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Pope Guilty posted:You know how Andrew Schlafly hates General Relativity because he's not smart enough to distinguish it from moral relativism? Here's a guy who thinks the distributive property in algebra is liberal propaganda. Not to defend Fox News, because this is still ridiculous, but his problem is the worksheet says "distribute the wealth" not the distributive property itself.
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I caught some of Mark Levin on the way back from working at another radio station and holy poo poo y'all weren't kidding. That dude is what would happen if a fourth grader was given a radio show. Wow. Also, when I looked him up real quick on google it had the synopsis from the most recent show: quote:Mark talks about DDT and what happened when the EPA got involved and banned DDT despite the positive effects of it. What? This sounds like an episode of Colbert.
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Levin absolutely detests the EPA, because it hammers his paranoid "any Federal government regulation or interference is tyrannical" bone something fierce. The comparison of him to a fourth grader is a good one. He tries way too hard to fit in and be one of the cool kids. You can get a sense of this from his show intro and the between segment "call us please" bits, or the repeated Linkin Park bumper music.
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The White House isn't even close to pushing any kind of new gun legislation yet, and the gun nuts are absolutely losing their poo poo in public. We had Alex Jones' meltdown on Piers Morgan (though if you ask me that's 100% shtick), and then there's this guy keeping the ball rolling: Tactical Response CEO Issues Threat Over Gun Control: ‘I’m Gonna Start Killing People’ frothing lunatic posted:gently caress that. Of course, he backpedaled a bit after his video started getting attention: quote:Now, I don't condone anybody doing anything rash. I do not condone anybody committing any kind of felonies up to and including aggravated assaults or murders. Unless its necessary. I really wouldn't be surprised if local law enforcement, at the very least, paid him a friendly visit. Of course, if he said the same poo poo wearing a shemagh and holding an AK-47, in front of a black flag covered in Arabic, he'd be wearing black goggles and be halfway to Cuba by now. "It's time to get ready". Ready for loving what? What the gently caress kind of fantasy civil war are these people imagining, anyway? I'd love for one of these guys to actually sit down and explain exactly how they see a couple dozen paranoid, poorly-trained yokels holding off the U.S. Army, let alone their local police or over-militarized SWAT team.
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Gun nuts remind me of pro-lifers in that much of their rhetoric carries an unspoken "...or we'll kill you." Lately, the gun people are going ahead and saying it.
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So what would these gun proponents do if the 2nd amendment was repealed via constitutional means? This is rhetorical but these guys DO understand that even the bill of rights isn't set in stone right? You know, living breathing document and all that.
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I think we just need to compromise and find a balance here. One side isn't seriously considering gun control, the other one talks about murdering random people because of the black man taking their guns. The answer is in the middle, guys.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:
I had some guy on reddit today tell me that it would actually be feasible for these types to successfully rise up against the govt. because "the Vietcong defeated the U.S. Military and our citizens are better armed and trained then they were  ". Then I suddenly realized why I tend to avoid reddit.
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As I said it the Freep thread, these guys do realize that literally every amendment in the Bill of Rights carries some major legally enforced provisions and restrictions right? Why is it cool to have restrictions on something as innocuous as speech, but unforgivable to put them on guns?
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Kiwi Bigtree posted:As I said it the Freep thread, these guys do realize that literally every amendment in the Bill of Rights carries some major legally enforced provisions and restrictions right? Probably because most of America is full of mouthbreathing retards who couldn't spell Supreme Court precedent let alone tell you what it meant, and gun owners are a subsection of that larger group?
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Radbot posted:Probably because most of America is full of mouthbreathing retards who couldn't spell Supreme Court precedent let alone tell you what it meant, and gun owners are a subsection of that larger group? It was a rhetorical question
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Necc0 posted:So what would these gun proponents do if the 2nd amendment was repealed via constitutional means? This is rhetorical but these guys DO understand that even the bill of rights isn't set in stone right? You know, living breathing document and all that. Gather all of their guns and rise up against our tyrannical government! Just kidding, probably go hang out at a park dressed in a tricorner hat and scream until they poo poo their pants or something equally pathetic.
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Necc0 posted:You know, living breathing document and all that. I once got into an argument with someone that the Constitution is literally an unchangeable document and not at all "living." It was the day I realized I should not be arguing with these people.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:The White House isn't even close to pushing any kind of new gun legislation yet, and the gun nuts are absolutely losing their poo poo in public. We had Alex Jones' meltdown on Piers Morgan (though if you ask me that's 100% shtick), and then there's this guy keeping the ball rolling: He later reupped the video without the killing people bit, but it had already been mirrored by then and reported to various authorities by probably dozens, if not hundreds of people (including myself). So yeah, I'm sure someone has paid him a visit. What would be far better though is if he were to lose licences over it.
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Those videos are pathetic. Especially the second. He sounds like some internet tough guy pimply faced teenager while wearing this facade of TACTICAL RESPONSE MASTER! It's absurd. Gun culture is absurd.
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Token Cracker posted:Those videos are pathetic. Especially the second. He sounds like some internet tough guy pimply faced teenager while wearing this facade of TACTICAL RESPONSE MASTER! It's absurd. Gun culture is absurd. Someone pointed out earlier that he was a serviceman who in his sole incident of actual combat broke the protocol completely and literally ran away.
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