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Token Cracker posted:A "Obama is a bad president but he isn't really like hitler tbh" image macro kind of lacks some punch. Mine version is even worse. "Obama is a bad president in some respects and a good one in others, just like most presidents. But it only takes a semi-literate reading of actual history to see he isn't like Hitler." Yeah, nobody's going to share that. 
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LeJackal posted:I'm not going to pass judgement in hindsight. That's literally the only way to ever judge anything.
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Jan 11, 2013 19:17
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Thelonius Van Funk posted:If he's willing to do a crime he's willing to do ANY crime don't you know? May as well go all in.
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Jan 11, 2013 19:20
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Orange Devil posted:Burglars are known to go on murderous rampages when they find out, before breaking in, that the house they are attempting to break into because they believe it to be empty actually contains people. That is really an After-The-Fact judgement. You don't know how things would turn out if she didn't fire, maybe he would have left, maybe he would have threatened them, maybe he would have revealed himself to be a candygram delivery boy. Breaking and entering is a hostile act to begin with so it's kinda dangerous to give them the benefit of doubt as to what their true intentions are.
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Jan 11, 2013 19:22
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Taerkar posted:Breaking and entering is a hostile act to begin with so it's kinda dangerous to give them the benefit of doubt as to what their true intentions are. I guess I hadn't considered that the true intentions of the man attempting to break into a house he presumes empty was actually the rape and murder of woman and kids unexpectedly inside said house. Because that's stupid.
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Jan 11, 2013 19:26
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Wang_Tang posted:
Well this made me physically angry. I'm a Michigan native. I work in Detroit. gently caress whoever posted this. A better caption would be which of these cities was hosed over for the last half century? t 
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Jan 11, 2013 19:28
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Orange Devil posted:I guess I hadn't considered that the true intentions of the man attempting to break into a house he presumes empty was actually the rape and murder of woman and kids unexpectedly inside said house. Nice job jumping straight to 'Rape and murder'. He could have easily just grabbed her or threatened one of the kids to get her to show him where the jewelry is. Or are you going to claim that there's a 0% chance that the situation could have escalated if she didn't have a gun?
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Jan 11, 2013 19:31
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Taerkar posted:Nice job jumping straight to 'Rape and murder'. He could have easily just grabbed her or threatened one of the kids to get her to show him where the jewelry is. Or are you going to claim that there's a 0% chance that the situation could have escalated if she didn't have a gun? Why would it have to be literally no chance? Would this be acceptable at (to throw out numbers) a 15% chance of escalation? 5%? 1%?
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Jan 11, 2013 19:35
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Ror posted:If anyone is curious what their "Index of Dependence" score means: First thing listed in the Index is the mortgage credit. Graph is immediately invalidated.
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Jan 11, 2013 19:35
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Taerkar posted:Nice job jumping straight to 'Rape and murder'. He could have easily just grabbed her or threatened one of the kids to get her to show him where the jewelry is. Or are you going to claim that there's a 0% chance that the situation could have escalated if she didn't have a gun? While it escalated and there's no disagreeing with that, why did she not just open the door to a person knocking on it? Was he an imposing black man?
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Jan 11, 2013 19:35
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Doctor Butts posted:First thing listed in the Index is the mortgage credit. Graph is immediately invalidated. I thought it was due to it being made by the Heritage Foundation?
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Jan 11, 2013 19:36
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Thomase posted:While it escalated and there's no disagreeing with that, why did she not just open the door to a person knocking on it? If she hadn't had such a nice house, she wouldn't have been burglarized.
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Jan 11, 2013 19:36
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Taerkar posted:Nice job jumping straight to 'Rape and murder'. He could have easily just grabbed her or threatened one of the kids to get her to show him where the jewelry is. Or are you going to claim that there's a 0% chance that the situation could have escalated if she didn't have a gun? Who even gives a poo poo about what if she had no gun. She had one, which means using it is still an option after shouting at the guy to gently caress off. You know, last resort? But I guess maybe he'll use his ninja powers to come through the wall, and grab a kid or something so better cap his rear end. Six times.
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Jan 11, 2013 19:38
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Thomase posted:While it escalated and there's no disagreeing with that, why did she not just open the door to a person knocking on it? Nice victim blaming. You are not under any obligation to open your door to a stranger. Why didn't she open the door? How bout because she didn't want to? What's the appropriate response to someone not opening the door?
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Jan 11, 2013 19:40
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Thomase posted:While it escalated and there's no disagreeing with that, why did she not just open the door to a person knocking on it? I often don't open the door during the day when random people knock on it. Generally because I don't want to be bothered by salesmen or others. If they have something of note for me, they'll leave it. (Edited because I misread the question)
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Jan 11, 2013 19:40
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bobkatt013 posted:I thought it was due to it being made by the Heritage Foundation? Good point. But it is probably healthier to attack the actual stats and not just the source. Wang_Tang posted:opinion. Why do they still fall the way they do? I am probably mistaken because I don't know Provo at all, but it certainly looks like all of the privately owned buildings and houses in Detroit are in shambles while Provo has a vibrant civic scene.
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Armyman25 posted:If she hadn't had such a nice house, she wouldn't have been burglarized. It's not victim blaming to ask a logical question mister Armyman and Grem. Why didn't she answer the door initially? quote:Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said. Thomase fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Jan 11, 2013 |
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Thomase posted:It's not victim blaming to ask a logical question mister Armyman and Grem. Why didn't she answer the door initially? She's under no obligation to answer her door.
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Jan 11, 2013 19:44
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Thomase posted:It's not victim blaming to ask a logical question mister Armyman and Grem. Why didn't she answer the door initially? Why didn't my date just kiss me? If she had maybe I wouldn't of raped her. Why didn't this girl open the door to her house? If she wanted me to stay out she would of opened the door? Once upon a time, you could count on your doors, windows, and all four walls of your domicile to be reason enough to tell people you don't want them inside without your invitation. Those were the days. Grem fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Jan 11, 2013 |
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Jan 11, 2013 19:45
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Thomase posted:It's not victim blaming to ask a logical question mister Armyman. Why didn't she answer the door initially? If I recall from the article I read, some strange dude was working her doorbell like it was a clitoris on prom night. Which weirded her out, so she yelled at her kids bot to answer it. Then when he used a crowbar to break in, she hid in the crawlspace with her kids. She was under no obligation to answer the door and you're projecting blame on her. Oh, and if she hadn't shot him? Maybe he would have shot her: CBS ATLANTA posted:According to the police report, Melissa Burke told police she heard the suspects break into her Estonian Drive home just before midnight Thursday. The thieves first rang the doorbell and when no one answered, police said they went in through the back door. Burke called 911 and hid inside a closet. They found her there and shot her multiple times. The fact of the matter is when somebody breaks in the house it is unknown what they intend to do, and asking a homeowner or mother to wager their life and the lives of their family on the odds the person who just demonstrated a disregard for social norms concerning property will not extend their disregard to people is unreasonable.
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Jan 11, 2013 19:48
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quote:CBS ATLANTA posted: Easily avoidable if she just opened the door. They obviously didn't want to kill her and she should of known that simply confronting them at the front door would of made them go away. Instead she startled the poor guys as they were looking for stuff to steal, and they instinctively defended themselves.
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Jan 11, 2013 19:51
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Idran posted:Why would it have to be literally no chance? Would this be acceptable at (to throw out numbers) a 15% chance of escalation? 5%? 1%? Who's caution should we err on the side of? The person who's already broken a law or the person who lives in the house? If she had chased him out of the house and gunned him down like that guy in Texas a few years ago then sure, that would be wrong, but inside her own house? That the guy was pleading for her not to shoot him again is odd, but at the same time he got back in his car and drove off so he wasn't incapacitated. Taerkar fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Jan 11, 2013 |
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Jan 11, 2013 19:51
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Grem posted:Why didn't my date just kiss me? If she had maybe I wouldn't of raped her. That's a pretty big leap. Are you suggesting I think that she deserved to have her house broken into because she didn't answer her door. Or... maybe I'm just interested in why she didn't answer her door.
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Jan 11, 2013 19:51
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LeJackal posted:The fact of the matter is when somebody breaks in the house it is unknown what they intend to do, and asking a homeowner or mother to wager their life and the lives of their family on the odds the person who just demonstrated a disregard for social norms concerning property will not extend their disregard to people is unreasonable. You know, very few criminals are crazy sociopaths just looking for some nice folks to murder.
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Jan 11, 2013 19:53
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Thomase posted:That's a pretty big leap. Are you suggesting I think that she deserved to have her house broken into because she didn't answer her door. Or... maybe I'm just interested in why she didn't answer her door. Also, what color dress did she have on? What is her son's favorite video game? I have a lot of questions that don't matter.
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Jan 11, 2013 19:53
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Piell posted:You know, very few criminals are crazy sociopaths just looking for some nice folks to murder. Are you seriously going to white knight someone who broke into a house? "Oh, he probably wasn't a killer."
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Jan 11, 2013 19:55
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Grem posted:Also, what color dress did she have on? What is her son's favorite video game? I have a lot of questions that don't matter. It does seem to matter to you as you jump into white knight against a simple question immediately likening it to rape apology.
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Jan 11, 2013 19:58
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Emden posted:Are you seriously going to white knight someone who broke into a house? "Oh, he probably wasn't a killer." Most countries it's not legal to kill a guy for breaking into your house. But no, America must be unequivocally morally right and everyone else wrong, no discussion necessary.
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Jan 11, 2013 19:58
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Doctor Butts posted:First thing listed in the Index is the mortgage credit. Graph is immediately invalidated. Actually the morgtage credit should be on there because it is a subsidy and it needs to be counted because these numbers need to change:  Whether it's a direct payment, or a tax credit, it's all semantics, it's still a social support subsidy, i.e. government assistance.
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quote:It's sooo sad that we have a president and his cabinet that basically wants to do away with the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. They say it's outdated and no longer applies to this modern day and age... There's something wrong when the leaders of this country who were elected and sworn to up hold the Constitution so easily dismiss it and what is stands for... Am I the only one that gets the sense of urgency that all of us need to start feeling? DO WE really want to be turned into a Socialist Society? I don't even know where to start.
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Jan 11, 2013 20:11
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Thomase posted:It does seem to matter to you as you jump into white knight against a simple question immediately likening it to rape apology. Now you, as the intruders white knight, are projecting. It matters to you, and it appears only you, why she didn't answer the door. Everyone else seems to understand people are not obligated to open the door, don't have to give an explanation as to why they didn't, and don't deserve to be punished for their inaction by having someone break in to their house.
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UnmaskedGremlin posted:I don't even know where to start. Or you can try to get some of whatever hallucinogenic that guy is on, it seems to be pretty powerful stuff  Had a random acquaintance post this on his wall:  He added "You voted for him!!!! Not me"[sic]. It's almost as if there were an unprecedented economic disaster that we've been slowly but steadily recovering from over the past four years! http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/04/news/economy/unemployment-rate/index.htm DarkHorse fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Jan 11, 2013 |
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Jan 11, 2013 20:30
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A staunch conservative military guy posted this on FB:
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Jan 11, 2013 20:32
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seiferguy posted:A staunch conservative military guy posted this on FB: Praise him for being the first soldier to never use government medicine, insurance, grants, housing, and all the other 'free' government programs military people use to function.
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UnmaskedGremlin posted:I don't even know where to start. Ask to know when exactly Obama and his Cabinet said, "it's outdated and no longer applies to this modern day and age". And follow up by requesting examples of things Obama has done where he's intentionally acted in a way that is forbidden by the Constitution. Grem posted:Now you, as the intruders white knight, are projecting. It matters to you, and it appears only you, why she didn't answer the door. Everyone else seems to understand people are not obligated to open the door, don't have to give an explanation as to why they didn't, and don't deserve to be punished for their inaction by having someone break in to their house. She wasn't punished, nor was anyone suggesting that she should be. She could have easily left the door locked, and asked who was there if she was uncomfortable. Or she could have ignored him as she did, but then called out "I have a gun and the police are on their way" once he made it clear he was breaking into her home. But she didn't. In the vast majority of cases, either one of these actions would have ended the break in without anyone getting shot, or the psychological damage done to the woman (and presumably her kids) from possibly killing another human being. But in the case that this was a person who was intending physical violence, she would have still been able to shoot him. That's the point they're trying to make.
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DarkHorse posted:Had a random acquaintance post this on his wall: I also like how it forgets FDR and Hoover. What's the Great Depression, again?
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seiferguy posted:A staunch conservative military guy posted this on FB: The same generation that as youngins during the 30's and 40's voted for the greatest expansion of government power and programs in history, and then followed that with the next greatest expansion of government programs in history once in political power. He's right, there were the greatest generation. So much welfare 
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Grem posted:Now you, as the intruders white knight, are projecting. It matters to you, and it appears only you, why she didn't answer the door. Everyone else seems to understand people are not obligated to open the door, don't have to give an explanation as to why they didn't, and don't deserve to be punished for their inaction by having someone break in to their house. I'm not sure where you read that there bud, but hey feel free to carry on. He knocked on the door, broke in, she unloaded into him and he's still alive. That's a good day! I'm still interested in why she didn't answer the door and you having a problem with that doesn't really change things. e: and no, i don't expect an answer. Just musing is all.
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DarkHorse posted:Bourbon. You could do the same thing with Obama and Hoover. Even make it a graph, make the first point the unemployment rate in 1931, and the second point the current rate and draw a straight line between them. "See, when you take the data completely out of context, you realize Obama is the greatest president ever!" seiferguy posted:A staunch conservative military guy posted this on FB: "The Greatest Generation" gave us universal Social Security and Medicare. "The Lamest Generation" gave us subsidized private health insurance. I think they may actually be on to something...
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Sarion posted:Ask to know when exactly Obama and his Cabinet said, "it's outdated and no longer applies to this modern day and age". And follow up by requesting examples of things Obama has done where he's intentionally acted in a way that is forbidden by the Constitution. Or, y'know, the burglar could have decided not to break into someone's home.
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