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lines of code as a measure of productivity. That works well.
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Carthag posted:
p-langs sign my paycheck and shaggar's right e: oh sorry lmao thats the output good
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# ? Jan 11, 2013 22:28 |
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once shaggarscript becomes the web standard we can all be shaggars
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# ? Jan 11, 2013 22:56 |
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lines spent, not lines written.
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# ? Jan 11, 2013 23:16 |
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MononcQc posted:lines of code as a measure of productivity. That works well. i rolled a die, turns out some numbers are SIX TIMES others. will report back.
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# ? Jan 11, 2013 23:18 |
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Cocoa Crispies posted:fag creek you're a goddamn genius and you can't come up with a slight against spolsky better than "the name of his company with a gay slur slapped in"
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"Detailed examination of Sackman, Erickson, and Grant's findings shows some flaws in their methodology (including combining results from programmers working in low level programming languages with those working in high level programming languages)." the paper itself is about comparing offline to online programming. they interviewed less than a dozen people. once. for half an hour. by a similar method I have concluded that all good programmers wear glasses.
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Jonny 290 posted:p-langs sign my paycheck and shaggar's right oh also that is the input. any shaggarpost is now a script!
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tef posted:"Detailed examination of Sackman, Erickson, and Grant's findings shows some flaws in their methodology (including combining results from programmers working in low level programming languages with those working in high level programming languages)." Probably true though since computers gently caress our eyes
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# ? Jan 11, 2013 23:28 |
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oh and lotus 1-2-3 3 was rewritten in C from assembly language
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# ? Jan 11, 2013 23:31 |
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JawnV6 posted:you're a goddamn genius and you can't come up with a slight against spolsky better than "the name of his company with a gay slur slapped in" after i hit submit i came up with "fog creak" but it's post post post not post edit edit
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# ? Jan 11, 2013 23:31 |
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the annoying thing is not that someone went 'herp derp look this means some people are far better than others by comparing a distribution amongst 12 programmers' (pretending the distribution is V shaped, with no middle ground) the annoying thing is that the actual useful finding - we were not able to correlate between years of experience and performance - is ignored.
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Cocoa Crispies posted:after i hit submit i came up with "fog creak" but it's post post post not post edit edit it should be
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tef posted:the annoying thing is not that someone went 'herp derp look this means some people are far better than others by comparing a distribution amongst 12 programmers' (pretending the distribution is V shaped, with no middle ground) my favorite thing is that everybody things there the 10% because nobody wants to say "yes look at me im a lovely programmer" and i talked to someone the other day who believed the camel has two humps and was like "oh man we gotta mke cs education suck less because most people dont understand variables" i could probably publish some non-peer-reviewed research papers saying that ruby is objectively better than aynthing else and recall it later and it would be qft for like 10 years b/c nobody does verification research
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# ? Jan 11, 2013 23:37 |
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Suspicious Dish posted:my favorite thing is that everybody things there the 10% because nobody wants to say "yes look at me im a lovely programmer" look at me im a lovely programmer
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# ? Jan 11, 2013 23:40 |
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basically there was the one where they compared perl to line noise, because they used a textbook to teach one language, and perl tutorials found on google. oh and the stack-ranking bullshit where some people must always be in the 10% who suck
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# ? Jan 11, 2013 23:40 |
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I'm a totally lovely programmer. what even constitues a 'good' coder? volume of work done? how well the code is written? whether or not the code just loving works? income? whether or not your job is stupid and affects nobody vs life-critical software? does personal hygiene enter into the equation?
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# ? Jan 11, 2013 23:42 |
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there are no good programmers
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# ? Jan 11, 2013 23:43 |
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It's great how there is no truly reliable quality metric for code or software in general (past concurrent implementations of a program, and even then), and eventually it all goes back to lines of code or seconds of downtime with some arbitrary severity value. Then we build on that because what else are we gonna do?
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it's me. i'm the worst programmer.
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MononcQc posted:It's great how there is no truly reliable quality metric for code or software in general (past concurrent implementations of a program, and even then), and eventually it all goes back to lines of code or seconds of downtime with some arbitrary severity value. 99.9999% uptime (except when aws crashes)
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Socracheese posted:I'm a totally lovely programmer. what even constitues a 'good' coder? volume of work done? how well the code is written? whether or not the code just loving works? income? whether or not your job is stupid and affects nobody vs life-critical software? does personal hygiene enter into the equation? if your customers and peers like you and want to continue working with you you might not be a 'bad' coder MononcQc posted:It's not a joke, it's pretty much how it works. The vote in by the community is done through polls and/or e-mails and mailing lists. It's not a council of elders so to say, but it's a list of people like the inventors of the language, former winners of the award, people who used it since the 90s when it was behind closed doors at Ericsson, etc.
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Cocoa Crispies posted:if your customers and peers like you and want to continue working with you you might not be a 'bad' coder So yeah basically personal hygiene
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MononcQc posted:It's great how there is no truly reliable quality metric for code or software in general (past concurrent implementations of a program, and even then), and eventually it all goes back to lines of code or seconds of downtime with some arbitrary severity value. I'm always curious about how quality metrics are carried out in other fields and if we can learn anything from them. gucci void main posted:it's me. i'm the worst programmer. Considering you can't get a real job in the best economic times for a software engineer? I'm inclined to agree.
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Cocoa Crispies posted:if your customers and peers like you and want to continue working with you you might not be a 'bad' coder nope this is true and i'm still a 100% poo poo coder
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FamDav posted:Considering you can't get a real job in the best economic times for a software engineer? I'm inclined to agree. yeah totally. i mean it's not like it's a nepotistic system. or that small companies are hard to find. or that large employers often want conflicting sets of requirements. personally i love looking for work in a city I don't live in. me, i struggle with *finding* jobs I want to apply for. most of the work out there is in another domain (mostly mobile, ui stuff), and i'm way out of practice. a lot of the places are obviously terrible there are a lot more jobs for people who write database skins and want to be paid nothing
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# ? Jan 11, 2013 23:58 |
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Suspicious Dish posted:99.9999% uptime (except when aws crashes) friends don't let friends use us-east
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# ? Jan 12, 2013 00:00 |
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tef posted:friends don't let friends use only us-east
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tef posted:friends don't let friends use us-east us-west-2 ftw!
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# ? Jan 12, 2013 00:17 |
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measuring by code anything is the worst a good programmer can explain issues to other programmers bonus points if they can also explain to non-technical if you have self-diagnosed assburgers and are stuck in your ways, you're a really bad programmer It also a personality thing. A person who is not afraid to tackle issues and solve them properly instead of bandaging without becoming a sperg about minute details and irrelevant/unnecessary/unwanted features. also see: why open sores has 'great' code but poo poo everything else but srs, nyone who woulda been a good prog has left already
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quote:but srs, nyone who woulda been a good prog has left already I realize this is half-joking, but why do people always say this with derision? Similarly, why are people so disdainful of moving into a higher level position? In other occupations that's exactly what you aspire to. tef posted:yeah totally. i mean it's not like it's a nepotistic system. or that small companies are hard to find. or that large employers often want conflicting sets of requirements. personally i love looking for work in a city I don't live in. I'm not saying it isn't difficult, or that (any) form of job search will not involve some level of nepotism. However, gucci void main posted:lol rails gucci void main posted:gas -> this thread and constant bandwagoning on what's popular or immediate dismissal of a language/framework while language hopping without doing anything meaningful beyond "todo web app" is not going to put you in the right mindset nor give you the right skills to get the job you want.
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# ? Jan 12, 2013 00:59 |
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"Good programmers are people who are like me, and bad programmers are those who think or work differently" -- blog post of the week on what's a good programmer. 5 bonus points if the blogger has "maintains a programming blog" as a positive criterion.
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FamDav posted:I realize this is half-joking, but why do people always say this with derision? Similarly, why are people so disdainful of moving into a higher level position? In other occupations that's exactly what you aspire to. In engineering, you [probably] enjoy the work [to some extent] and higher positions mean you do less of it and more of the lovely[er] stuff.
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# ? Jan 12, 2013 03:39 |
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and you're on the yos so you probably like the engineering part quite a bit and also have burger disease which make the human interaction of management all the worse
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# ? Jan 12, 2013 03:41 |
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FamDav posted:I realize this is half-joking, but why do people always say this with derision? Similarly, why are people so disdainful of moving into a higher level position? In other occupations that's exactly what you aspire to. yo this ain't CoC
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# ? Jan 12, 2013 03:53 |
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FamDav posted:I'm not saying it isn't difficult, or that (any) form of job search will not involve some level of nepotism. However, so, don't do like sulk does. this is a thing you feel needs to be pointed out
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Toady posted:yo this ain't CoC
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# ? Jan 12, 2013 05:06 |
I work on non todo apps, I just find it all boring but am not in a position to learn interesting stuff (This is a drunk iPhone post. Love you guys )
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# ? Jan 12, 2013 05:12 |
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oh god what's with all the capitalization in here
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tef posted:oh god what's with all the capitalization in here iPhone does it automatically
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