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Watching the BR at home, I was surprised this time by the colour palette, which I didn't really pick up on in the cinema. In The Raid, everything is blue and grey and washed-out, while Dredd is extremely colourful - but it's all oversaturated and clashing and almost sickly. I genuinely wondered if I'd accidentally left my TV on its 'game' setting, but nope, it was still on 'cinema'.
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marktheando posted:My copy is defective, I'm sickened. With replacing all these faulty copies they are going to make even less of a profit on this movie. Distribution doesn't work that way.
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Payndz posted:Watching the BR at home, I was surprised this time by the colour palette, which I didn't really pick up on in the cinema. In The Raid, everything is blue and grey and washed-out, while Dredd is extremely colourful - but it's all oversaturated and clashing and almost sickly. I genuinely wondered if I'd accidentally left my TV on its 'game' setting, but nope, it was still on 'cinema'. Yeah, it almost reminded of Hobo With A Shotgun and other grindhouse movies like it in that it's a combination of really dirty and grimy, and then all of a sudden super colorful. I love that style.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:Yeah, it almost reminded of Hobo With A Shotgun and other grindhouse movies like it in that it's a combination of really dirty and grimy, and then all of a sudden super colorful. Yeah it's a similar visual design like how drab places like the Megablock or Mall look contrasted with all the bright cheery advertising signs. Or the contrasts between the high tech medical clinic in the buildings and the run down nature of the apartments. Another neat things I didn't notice before is how during Ma Ma fall it revisits all the setpiece showdowns on the floors such as the mini gun carnage floor and the booth trap.
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etalian posted:Yeah it's a similar visual design like how drab places like the Megablock or Mall look contrasted with all the bright cheery advertising signs. Or the contrasts between the high tech medical clinic in the buildings and the run down nature of the apartments. Yeah, I'd just caught that on my last viewing as well (took me that time to realize that the smoke she glides through during the fall was specifically coming from the fires of the Minigun carnage floor). It's such a good visual callback to all the chaos Ma-Ma has wrought, now slowed down to 1% of normal speed so she can be haunted by them in her last moments. Can't wait to actually pick up the BR. Hewlett fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Jan 16, 2013 |
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My two favorite character moments was when Dredd emerges from the smoke just to nonchalantly toss Ma Ma's right hand man over the rail and also when he makes he speech about how he's the law not in the mega-block not Ma Ma despite not being a position of strength. And really sells despite not having classic super hero abilities is still is terrifying to the opposition due to his fierce reputation, level of experience, high tech weapons and also fanatical pursuit despite the odds of lawbreakers. Urban should win a Oscar for the new best, most intense frowning category.
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I think people are missing the real satirical thrust of the movie. As horrible as Baron Biffords is as a poster, he is right in the sense that Dredd's ultraviolence is not presented as tremendously shocking. It's mostly dispassionate and impersonal, and the presentation is fairly indifferent too. These are people whose lives have already been wholly devalued - and, in that way, they simply long for death. The 'joke' of the homeless dude being crushed is that he is 'already dead', already reduced to a pile of meat long before the door hits him. Consequently, the 'joke' is how completely unshocking and unsurprising it is. The same is true of nearly all the violence. Dredd himself isn't really satirized, because he's simply doing his best to maintain order in a situation where all human life is devalued - including his own. So, the film isn't (just) satirizing the war on drugs - it's more specifically satirizing the liberal promotion of drug use as 'freedom'. Note how, on Slowmo, language breaks down and everything loses its meaning. It's an embrace of the void. This is a world in which the only imaginable freedom is death. You see this also in how people try to get real amateur footage of the mutilated corpses on their phones, to post on the internet. People are bypassing the symbolic to experience the brutal abjection of death, for pleasure. "The authentic XXth century passion to penetrate the Real Thing (ultimately, the destructive Void) through the cobweb of semblances which constitute our reality thus culminates in the thrill of the Real as the ultimate "effect," sought after from digitalized special effects through reality TV and amateur pornography up to snuff movies. Snuff movies which deliver the "real thing" are perhaps the ultimate truth of virtual reality. There is an intimate connection between virtualization of reality and the emergence of an infinite and infinitized bodily pain, much stronger that the usual one: do biogenetics and Virtual Reality combined not open up new "enhanced" possibilities of TORTURE, new and unheard-of horizons of extending our ability to endure pain (through widening our sensory capacity to sustain pain, through inventing new forms of inflicting it)? Perhaps, the ultimate Sadean image on an "undead" victim of the torture who can sustain endless pain without having at his/her disposal the escape into death, also waits to become reality." (Zizek) That seems like a pretty spot-on description of not only how Slowmo is used, but also of the character whose eyes are removed but is nonetheless forced to continue seeing with augmented vision. His robotic eyes look painful from how unnaturally large they are. There's obviously a 'pleasurable' dimension too. In the apartment shootout, from the perspective of the Slowmo'd gangsters, the events are obviously beautiful. The slow motion emphasizes the ripples in the flesh, and so-forth. The violence doesn't register as really happening to 'people', but to squishy bags of anatomy. (Hence the persistent imagery of disfigurement.) The satire is that the film makes this look great! Take more drugs! Accordingly, the real target of satire in the torture scene isn't Dredd, but Anderson, whose liberal compassion leads her to devise new forms of 'virtual' torture. The satire of the film is that Dredd's gradual compromising of his ideals is presented as a good thing. It's taken for granted that Dredd must 'become more human' and 'grow as a person'. I propose the opposite: that Dredd fails in resigning himself to mere humanity. People breathe a sigh of relief when he 'only' tasers two children. In doing this, the film has gotten the audience to embrace the use (and inevitable proliferation) of 'nonlethal' weaponry. It's covertly gotten presumable lefties to say 'hooray, tasers'! (Note that it's Anderson who asserts, early on, that there's something more to Dredd, beneath the mask. Something that makes him human...) A Dredd who rigidly adheres to protocol at all costs would eventually find his own corruptible system wanting and fight to alter it - taking the system more seriously than it takes itself. A Dredd who bends the rules where necessary in specific instances out of liberal compassion is ultimately helping to entrench the problems. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Jan 16, 2013 |
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My DVD finally got here, and WOW there are a lot more nods to comics than I realized in theaters. I'm only SIX MINUTES IN and I've already caught: -One rioter dressed like Kick rear end (They'd frequently parody other comics in crowd scenes) -A Joe Soap billboard (Eagle's indirectly related to 2000AD) -DROKK written on a jackets in the van -THIS:  I mean, the Kickass thing is a little iffy, but yes - that's a dead fat man and his belly wheel. Also, the announcement to avoid the level one food courts also advises shoppers of alternate refreshment locations. This is a densely packed and lovingly crafted comic book movie, and none of the nerd easter-eggs detract from the film. I saw the Chopper graffiti in the theater, and I thought that was clever, but now I feel like I missed more than I saw.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Accordingly, the real target of satire in the torture scene isn't Dredd, but Anderson, whose liberal compassion leads her to devise new forms of 'virtual' torture. The satire of the film is that Dredd's gradual compromising of his ideals is presented as a good thing. It's taken for granted that Dredd must 'become more human' and 'grow as a person'. I propose the opposite: that Dredd fails in resigning himself to mere humanity. People breathe a sigh of relief when he 'only' tasers two children. In doing this, the film has gotten the audience to embrace the use (and inevitable proliferation) of 'nonlethal' weaponry. It's covertly gotten presumable lefties to say 'hooray, tasers'! (Note that it's Anderson who asserts, early on, that there's something more to Dredd, beneath the mask. Something that makes him human...)
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Favorite line/part was when the crooked Judges came to relieve the 2 Judges that were already there and said "open up" and the doors instantly opened. 
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I think people are missing the real satirical thrust of the movie. As horrible as Baron Biffords is as a poster, he is right in the sense that Dredd's ultraviolence is not presented as tremendously shocking. It's mostly dispassionate and impersonal, and the presentation is fairly indifferent too. These himself isn't really satirized, because he's simply doing his best to maintain order in a situation where all human life is devalued - including his own. Ladies and gentlemen, enjoy this rarest of sights - a SuperMechaGodzilla post that is 50% right. With the exception of the "liberals think drugs are freedom!" crap and the obligatory quote from an inferior modern philosopher, I agree with much of what is presented here.
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Jedit posted:Ladies and gentlemen, enjoy this rarest of sights - a SuperMechaGodzilla post that is 50% right. With the exception of the "liberals think drugs are freedom!" crap and the obligatory quote from an inferior modern philosopher, I agree with much of what is presented here. I'm thinking mostly of those who hold legalizing weed as their pet issue. In the context of American society, after all, legalizing marijuana means commercializing it. It's not going to do anything about the real ills of the prison-industrial complex, and so-on. It's downright incontestable that the film presents Slowmo as a loving awesome drug. But then, note how the Slowmo scenes are directly equated to Anderson's moment of rest in the skate park. Drug use is pleasant, but a false freedom - a way of making life 'tolerable', without actually improving anything. The skate park is a beautiful dead end. Nonetheless, there's something poetic in the imagery of people finding splendor in what little time they have, as they are pulled by gravity towards their inevitable death. The tricky part is that, while the sentiment here is pretty sincere, it's not quite good enough.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It's downright incontestable that the film presents Slowmo as a loving awesome drug. But then, note how the Slowmo scenes are directly equated to Anderson's moment of rest in the skate park. Drug use is pleasant, but a false freedom - a way of making life 'tolerable', without actually improving anything. The skate park is a beautiful dead end. I'd argue this based on the fact that every time the drug is used by anyone other than its creator/main distributor, death immediately follows. There's a correlation there. I'd say if anything it reflects Ma Ma's corruption of the block/city.
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Blue Raider posted:I'd argue this based on the fact that every time the drug is used by anyone other than its creator/main distributor, death immediately follows. There's a correlation there. I'd say if anything it reflects Ma Ma's corruption of the block/city. Not to mention the emphasis on how bad it fucks up your teeth.
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LtKenFrankenstein posted:Not to mention the emphasis on how bad it fucks up your teeth. How much of that can be accounted for by many years of sucking cock for a living?
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...uh...that's a mighty weird leap to make, dude. Early on they both show and tell you that slomo fucks up your teeth (the dudes Ma-Ma tossed off the building). Ma-Ma is shown to do lots of slomo, and she also has hosed up teeth.
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LtKenFrankenstein posted:...uh...that's a mighty weird leap to make, dude. Early on they both show and tell you that slomo fucks up your teeth (the dudes Ma-Ma tossed off the building). Ma-Ma is shown to do lots of slomo, and she also has hosed up teeth. He mentions something about a "smoke burn"? when looking at the one dead dude. My hearing is drat near shot these days when it comes to watching movies. But my god Ma-Ma's teeth made me cringe every time she talked. Also, I can't help but still hear "maw-maw" said like they are talking about the senile grandma in Raising Hope every time I watch the movie.
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Jedit posted:How much of that can be accounted for by many years of sucking cock for a living? What the hell kinda cocks have you been sucking?!
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Jedit posted:How much of that can be accounted for by many years of sucking cock for a living? Uhh how do you define "sucking cock"? Because how most people do it it doesn't involve activities that would rot teeth.
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Superstring posted:What the hell kinda cocks have you been sucking?! Maybe he doesn't brush his teeth afterwards and just lets the semen accumulate. Have you seen what that stuff does to walls? edit: I'd actually kinda like to see a list of all the inside jokes in this movie. The ones discovered so far are fascinating. Alcholism Rocks fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Jan 16, 2013 |
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Superstring posted:What the hell kinda cocks have you been sucking?! None. I also have all my own teeth and they don't look like that. Anecdotal evidence to be sure, but still better than baseless speculation about the side effects of fictional drugs when real life junkies often have bad teeth and heroin didn't do it directly. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Uhh so because you don't suck dicks and have good teeth you're saying sucking dicks gives you bad teeth? Eh?
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Also she was seen smoking it like meth and people do get meth mouth.
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^^^^ - And people who smoke tobacco tend to get discolored teeth. Jakabite posted:Uhh so because you don't suck dicks and have good teeth you're saying sucking dicks gives you bad teeth? Eh? I'm pretty sure he's saying that shooting up heroin causes bad teeth. Also, sucking dick always causes your teeth to rot out. To be honest, I don't really know what he's trying to say. Alcholism Rocks fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Jan 16, 2013 |
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Only junkies give blowjobs. FACT.
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Blue Raider posted:I'd argue this based on the fact that every time the drug is used by anyone other than its creator/main distributor, death immediately follows. There's a correlation there. I'd say if anything it reflects Ma Ma's corruption of the block/city. A beautiful death though. People are dying for no reason all over the shop anyway.
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Actually, what is the killcount in this movie? Somebody keeps track of this sort of thing, surely. Must be pretty high. I didn't think about it when watching, but this movie is probably on par with Rambo movies for that stat, which makes sense considering what it is satirizing. I posted something along these lines in the Dredd vs. Death LP that is going on right now to no avail, but would anyone with proper Dredd and 2000AD knowledge be willing to start up a thread in Batman's Shameful Secret? A few of you guys seem to have enough knowledge to throw together a strong OP. If you are wondering about my reason of interest, it is like most people might be feeling right now... Coming off this amazing movie I am intrigued by the universe, I just really want to get into the comicbooks now, but cannot afford comicbook living right now. Can't wait until I get enough money together to take a proper step.
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Hard to get an accurate count with they way they pretty much killed -everyone- on level 79.
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Another Person posted:Actually, what is the killcount in this movie? Somebody keeps track of this sort of thing, surely. Must be pretty high. I didn't think about it when watching, but this movie is probably on par with Rambo movies for that stat, which makes sense considering what it is satirizing. Are you wondering about Dredd's killcount, or his and everyone else's killcount? I think Dredd killed fewer people than Ma-Ma's gang did, and the interesting thing is that in this movie, despite being satire, he actually appears to be justified in killing them every single time. I'm not entirely sure why he only tased those two kids, though. Most of the other gang members were kids and those two fired their weapons at Dredd. A real cop might not respond so kindly to that. Then again, I think at that point he was running out of ammo, in which case that kinda makes sense. And I think he hung one of them up in that phone booth thing, which essentially condemned him to death. I kinda have to wonder why Mega-City One doesn't have a system like in Logan's Run where people voluntarily commit suicide at a certain age so as to prevent overcrowding and rapid depletion of resources. Maybe that's part of the joke. Alcholism Rocks fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Jan 16, 2013 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I'm thinking mostly of those who hold legalizing weed as their pet issue. In the context of American society, after all, legalizing marijuana means commercializing it. It's not going to do anything about the real ills of the prison-industrial complex, and so-on. Now that's nice. I spent a solid three months at work listening to the paulstretched version of Justin Bieber's 'U Smile' on headphones whenever I needed to concentrate. So all the Slowmo music gave me an inexplicable urge to write papers on health privacy policy. sebmojo fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Jan 16, 2013 |
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The hacker says Dredd's killed 30 somewhere around the halfway point, and I'd guess he kills another 20-30 after that. Anderson kills somewhere around 10, and Ma-Ma's goons kill about 1/200th of whatever the Peachtree's population was. It's definitely pushing Rambo 4 territory.
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Another Person posted:Actually, what is the killcount in this movie? Somebody keeps track of this sort of thing, surely. Must be pretty high. I didn't think about it when watching, but this movie is probably on par with Rambo movies for that stat, which makes sense considering what it is satirizing. The 2000 AD Facebook page posted a handy primer for folk looking to get into the comics after seeing the movie. It's basically the same advise that you'll get from posters here i.e. read America and Casebook 3 onwards. http://reverttosaved.com/2013/01/14/the-best-judge-dredd-books-for-fans-of-dredd-3d-featuring-karl-urban/
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BulletRiddled posted:The hacker says Dredd's killed 30 somewhere around the halfway point, and I'd guess he kills another 20-30 after that. Anderson kills somewhere around 10, and Ma-Ma's goons kill about 1/200th of whatever the Peachtree's population was. It's definitely pushing Rambo 4 territory. Wikipedia says most city blocks have a population of around 60k, so it's possible Ma-Ma's goons only killed around 300 people, not including members of enemy gangs. Are the gang members implied to be the only people with jobs (in the sense that they are earning money) in the city block since it has a 96% unemployment rate? How does such a society even work? And with everyone committing suicide and/or killing each other, what do they do with all the bodies? Soylent Green? Alcholism Rocks fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Jan 16, 2013 |
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Alcholism Rocks posted:Wikipedia says most city blocks have a population of around 60k, so it's possible Ma-Ma's goons only killed around 300 people, not including members of enemy gangs. Most jobs are done by robots. And yes bodies are recycled, there are a few lines in the movie that mention it. When talking to control Dredd will say something like "(number of living prisoners) for the cubes, (number of dead bodies) for resyk."
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Alcholism Rocks posted:I think Dredd killed fewer people than Ma-Ma's gang did, and the interesting thing is that in this movie, despite being satire, he actually appears to be justified in killing them every single time. Justified how? Most of Dredd's killing goes waaaayyyy beyond self-defense. There's no justification for melting a dude's brain, and people's theories of how it was a tactic for avoiding the hostage's death are just absurd. It was a calculatedly sadistic execution, meant to uphold Dredd's image and instill fear in the public, just like what Ma-Ma does. Dredd and Anderson are killers, not peacekeepers. The fact that you say you think the two law-bringers killed less people than the vicious drug cartel demonstrates pretty clearly what the film is trying to say about this Law and its upholders. Alcholism Rocks posted:Are the gang members implied to be the only people with jobs (in the sense that they are earning money) in the city block since it has a 96% unemployment rate? How does such a society even work? And with everyone committing suicide and/or killing each other, what do they do with all the bodies? Soylent Green? Yeah, that's what the "bodies being sent to Recyc" thing after the first scene is referring to.
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Beyond sane knolls posted:It was a calculatedly sadistic execution, meant to uphold Dredd's image and instill fear in the public, just like what Ma-Ma does. Dredd and Anderson are killers, not peacekeepers. The fact that you say you think the two law-bringers killed less people than the vicious drug cartel demonstrates pretty clearly what the film is trying to say about this Law and its upholders. I think the problem with the world of Dredd is that in that established world, there don't seem to be any easy solutions to any of the problems that exist, short of a controlled genocide to bring the population to a more manageable level. And then you have the problem of the same problems surfacing again when population explodes again in a couple generations. I mean, didn't the human population jump from half a billion in the 1500's to 7 billion in 2010? I don't even want to think about how crowded things will be in another 500 years. As for the human recycling thing, is that why being fat is considered a crime? So they can eat the fatties like they were cattle? VVVVV - They lured two Judges into a trap (although the luring part was probably unintentional) and intended to kill them in a brutal manner...in fact, many of them did go out of their way (instead of opting to stay in their apartments) to attempt to kill the Judges. Even the two kids that got tased made a conscious decision to attempt to murder the Judges. Even in our real society, attempting to murder cops is considered wrong. Even the part where he hit those guys with the incendiary round, they first made a visible attempt to kill what they thought was a Judge. Likewise in the beginning, instead of peacefully surrendering, their first response was to fire an automatic weapon at a Judge. Alcholism Rocks fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Jan 16, 2013 |
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I did get the impression that Dredd didn't care about the hostage but I'm almost certain that the hotshot thing was supposed to stop her from getting splattered by bits of shrapnel like chunks of skull. He's certainly an evil gently caress though and kills unnecessarily, the bit where he lures a bunch of guys into a trap and burns them all to death is brutal.
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Watching those scenes again, it's worth noting that Dredd doesn't even crack a smile. It would have been the easiest thing in the world to paint him as a sadist who enjoys this brutality, but the complete lack of it is significant. "Hotshot" seems like an effort to work the gun's voice command into the negotiation. Instead of High ex our whatever he leaves it on. The same for "yeah." Any other action hero would have at least smiled or said anything other than that. moths fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jan 16, 2013 |
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Alcholism Rocks posted:
And I suppose immolating them and reveling in their death throes when more important things are happening is both appropriate and just?
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