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Morristron posted:Did he? That helps explain why the news didn't mention the regiment. I'm actually slightly less mad at the dude now, for some twisted reason. Yeah, I'm just happy that I don't have to do any paperwork for that. Ha. 
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If you sign a CE 5 year contract extension after your initial engagement, upon early termination of your contract will the army still pay for a final move? I went to my ToS meeting with my SSM today, and he told me that they will, but a lot of other people think he's out to lunch. Is there a way I could find the QR + O related to that on the DIN?
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Samu posted:If you sign a CE 5 year contract extension after your initial engagement, upon early termination of your contract will the army still pay for a final move? I went to my ToS meeting with my SSM today, and he told me that they will, but a lot of other people think he's out to lunch. Is there a way I could find the QR + O related to that on the DIN? The only way they will pay for your final move is if you honor your contract.
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Samu posted:If you sign a CE 5 year contract extension after your initial engagement, upon early termination of your contract will the army still pay for a final move? I went to my ToS meeting with my SSM today, and he told me that they will, but a lot of other people think he's out to lunch. Is there a way I could find the QR + O related to that on the DIN? It's probably in a CBI, and yes, all of those are available on the DIN (obviously). They used to be available on the www as well but were removed for some reason. At any rate they are all accessible from one spot, but I don't have DIN access so couldn't tell you where. D MIL POL or some poo poo. Usually there's a quicklink on your formation's splash page. I thought with a CE they would pay for your final move if you chose to pull the plug early too. It's one of the benefits of a Continuing Engagement, and why it's not offered much even though everyone and his dog is getting them now... One of the old timers on the last course I was on was really pushing signing a CE now even though I still had half of an IE-20 left, because it's so much better than getting screwed with an IPS. Haven't done it because I haven't really looked into it either.
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compressioncut posted:I thought with a CE they would pay for your final move if you chose to pull the plug early too. It's one of the benefits of a Continuing Engagement, and why it's not offered much even though everyone and his dog is getting them now... One of the old timers on the last course I was on was really pushing signing a CE now even though I still had half of an IE-20 left, because it's so much better than getting screwed with an IPS. Haven't done it because I haven't really looked into it either. I think you might be right on this. I was thinking of qualifying for EI. Which you won't.
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Unless you love real army poo poo, I can't recommend being posted to Ottawa enough. Half my co-workers are civilians, culture is more ... relaxed, awesome city life, higher chance to learn more valuable skills. When it comes time to sign your next contract, do they let you know if you're going to be reposted or are those things seperate? If they let me stay in Ottawa, I'm seriously considering staying in for another contract 
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Samu posted:If you sign a CE 5 year contract extension after your initial engagement, upon early termination of your contract will the army still pay for a final move? I went to my ToS meeting with my SSM today, and he told me that they will, but a lot of other people think he's out to lunch. Is there a way I could find the QR + O related to that on the DIN? Your clerk should know more about that. I was always under the impression that if you let your TOS expire then you can use that final move. But if you don't and you VR you essentially get poo poo. Talk to your Career Manager or your Clerk, they should know more.
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Elgar posted:Talk to your Career Manager or your Clerk, they should know more. Don't do this. If you talk to your career manager then decide to stay in, your career will probably stagnate for a while. And if you talk to your battery(company?) clerk, that might get passed up the chain who will then give you all the worst taskings. Remember, people are petty.
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what son what posted:Unless you love real army poo poo, I can't recommend being posted to Ottawa enough. Half my co-workers are civilians, culture is more ... relaxed, awesome city life, higher chance to learn more valuable skills. What do you do?
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Pufflekins posted:Don't do this. If you talk to your career manager then decide to stay in, your career will probably stagnate for a while. And if you talk to your battery(company?) clerk, that might get passed up the chain who will then give you all the worst taskings. Remember, people are petty. Those are easy (and winnable) grievances. You may not think much of supervisors or chains of command but they're typically not that stupid or petty, and if they are you can win because they are in fact stupid. Big picture, they also have more important problems than making life difficult for some Pte-Cpl who doesn't want to stay for 25 years. If they can wring a couple more years out of him past his BE/VIE through a CE, awesome.
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I don`t imagine they`d want to screw me around too much. They`re sending me on a heavy equipment course because since Afghanistan changed a bunch of our operators pulled pin to go make six figures in the oilfields. If the CoC blatantly hosed me around I would no longer feel morally obligated to stay and could easily just terminate my contract. Not that they`d do that any ways because I get along with my CoC and they`re not out to gently caress people around. My SSM was at one point the career manager for my trade. He`s also the one who brought it up.
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I guess your guy's trade is better than the artillery more ways than one. As soon as myself and a couple others stated that we were no longer interested in a career in the CF, we were instant volunteers for all the lovely field taskings and other poo poo tasks. And for the career manager, I basically meant you might not be posted anywhere halfway decent. It boils down to why risk losing someone that wants to stay by making them do lovely things/get posted to lovely places when you have people that have no intention of staying. It doesn't matter if you piss off the people who want out.
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I've heard the artillery was pretty bad for that sorta stuff. In six years in the reg force infantry I didn't have a single meeting with my career manager and I have no idea if I even had one. When I didn't re-sign my contract they put me on Mod 6 and sent me to Korea 
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Does anyone know anything about Club Ed? I keep hearing about how rough it is, but all I've really heard are anecdotes about inspections every hour and sweeping parking lots.
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Frosted Flake posted:Does anyone know anything about Club Ed? My buddy went in, said they strip search after every meal. Lots of lovely marching around and polishing poo poo until your fingers bleed. And there is a tiny rear end box outside of your cell where you have to fold and put your linen in every day after you wake up.
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The cells in Esquimalt run the exact same routine they use in Edmonton. So anyone sentenced to I believe it's 14 days or less confinement out here does their time here. I toured it on PLQ. Prisoners needs to quick march (but I believe faster, like 180 bpm) and need to stay on lines that are painted on the ground. They aren't allowed to speak unless they're standing at a certain spot facing the guard's window. There's some long list of duties or something on the wall they need to memorize and be able recite. They must remain seated for the entire time allotted to meals - if they finish early they are required to sit silently at attention until the meal is over. Lots of extra drill. Kit layouts and inspections all the time. Polishing everything. Stuff like that; sounds like a good time. Oh, and there was a guy off my ship in cells there at the time I visited, haha.
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My buddy from who did some time there and they had to quick march everywhere, they had to ask permission to turn a corner. Sometimes the guards would dick with them and not answer them for awhile so they would just stand there yelling out asking for permission to take the corner. They cant smoke or watch TV but the longer your there the "better" you get treated. You have to earn rights to use the phone, to smoke, to watch TV. edit: If memory serves me right one of the goons in this thread had him on his course. Dp10040. Fraser CDN fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Jan 16, 2013 |
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I know you put that in spoiler tags and everything, but seriously don't post poo poo like that. First off I'd bet both my testicles your buddy was making poo poo up for attention, secondly, this is a public forum and spreading rumors like that is probably a chargeable offence.
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Fraser CDN posted:edit: If memory serves me right one of the goons in this thread had him on his course. Dp10040. Nobody on course believed much in what he said. Guy lied a lot. And Samu is right. Hizawk fucked around with this message at 11:32 on Jan 16, 2013 |
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Out of curiosity what happens to you if you refuse to follow the rules? It seems like theres not much they can do to you at that point other than lengthen your sentence (can they do that?). Obviously I'm excluding illegal things like beating or starving you.
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Mr.48 posted:Out of curiosity what happens to you if you refuse to follow the rules? It seems like theres not much they can do to you at that point other than lengthen your sentence (can they do that?). Obviously I'm excluding illegal things like beating or starving you. I was reading up on Club Ed when my friend got sent there and I read that they make you stand up in a small room and give you bread and water. I don't know if it's true or not.
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Pufflekins posted:I was reading up on Club Ed when my friend got sent there and I read that they make you stand up in a small room and give you bread and water. I don't know if it's true or not. How exactly can they "make you" though without resorting to illegal practices?
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Mr.48 posted:How exactly can they "make you" though without resorting to illegal practices? Probably by threat of keeping you there longer. Other than that, its a question for the ages.
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Just had my 'NEW' format interview today for DEO Infantry and AEC. Interesting process, to say the least. Actually, I probably can't say much more. So, Interesting process. Anyone else had one yet?
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I recently re-applied to the military (civilian life sucks, especially if you spent the majority of your 20s in the infantry). Isn't there anything you can say?
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If you're a re-applicant, the interview will be a joke. with regards to fresh DEO, it's not impossible, but, uh, improbable to score well on most of the questions. The silver lining is that everyone in DEO faces the same hurdles, and the bonus silver lining for you is that the new interview gives you pretty much a perfect score for previous service. Have you seen the infantry prospected openings? I haven't.
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If you want to learn a skill, any flavour of Engineer seems like a good bet, and at least one sort or another is usually recruiting. I don't think you can go in as a linesman anymore, but if you can that's a valuable skill civie side.
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Welp, 1 VP cleaned up Ex Strong Contender this year. The rest of 1 CMBG can just pack up and go
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Hey acumen, not sure how much patience you have for waiting around and taking long smoke breaks, but I know weapons techs aren't the fastest moving trade to get you QL5 qualified. Excess of like 3 years in some locations *cough Edmonton cough*. Oh yeah, first post, long time lurker.
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I was in the infantry man, I don't even know what the gently caress a QL5 is. If you're saying that I'm going to have to sit somewhere and collect corporal pay to look at porn all day then yes, that is exactly what I'm looking for.
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Hahaha. Awesome. What regiment? Your qualification levels. Whatever, not important. Yeah, essentially sit around with a bunch of 19-21 year olds and look through magazines, do silly-bugger tasks and if you're lucky, do something within your trade. That is, unless they fixed the program... Not exactly holding my breath.
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Attire Irony posted:Have you seen the infantry prospected openings? I haven't. 50 DEO officer, but like he said... CumshotCommando posted:Hey acumen, not sure how much patience you have for waiting around and taking long smoke breaks, but I know weapons techs aren't the fastest moving trade to get you QL5 qualified. Excess of like 3 years in some locations *cough Edmonton cough*. Three whole years? My goodness (my experience Navy-side is generally 4 years, i.e. the full time to Cpl). QL5 is journeyman qualified, as in can actually do the job more or less unsupervised. Also the best QL to be by a long loving shot, looking back on it. It's where spec pay usually kicks in for spec trades, too.
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compressioncut, that's just 3 years just to get your QL3 completed after you've done BMQ/SQ/Dvr Wheel, etc... Granted acumen's probably already got all the pre-req, so he'd go into sitting in a PAT Pl in Borden. QL4 is another 2 years of fun for weapons or vehicle techs. But I digress. I must remember that the army is a wonderful place full of happiness and sunshine. 4 more years, 4 more years...
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CumshotCommando posted:compressioncut, that's just 3 years just to get your QL3 completed after you've done BMQ/SQ/Dvr Wheel, etc... Granted acumen's probably already got all the pre-req, so he'd go into sitting in a PAT Pl in Borden. QL4 is another 2 years of fun for weapons or vehicle techs. As a current 'guest' for Borden PAT - now renamed Apprentice Platoon , fyi, for the morale boost I suppose? - the only reason I've maintained any grasp on my sanity is by spending as little time as possible on PAT and asking for every tasking available. Lucked out with a permanent one at Maintenance, thankfully, which is keeping me occupied 'till my 3s in April.
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CumshotCommando posted:compressioncut, that's just 3 years just to get your QL3 completed after you've done BMQ/SQ/Dvr Wheel, etc... Granted acumen's probably already got all the pre-req, so he'd go into sitting in a PAT Pl in Borden. QL4 is another 2 years of fun for weapons or vehicle techs. Well that's about the dumbest poo poo I've ever heard.
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Well, thanks to the infantry I don't have a whole lot of transferable job skills so I ended up in security, which is pretty horrible by the way. Getting back in seems to be my best option right now and I'll take the boredom for literally double the pay I'm getting right now. And yeah, I'm probably only missing a couple courses that are available to the Pte/Cpl level, and I finished my career as a reservist MCpl.
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compressioncut posted:Well that's about the dumbest poo poo I've ever heard. You, good sir, are correct. I wanted to start off with "Welcome to the Army, you must be new here", but figured a little too insulting. DarkDobe posted:As a current 'guest' for Borden PAT - now renamed Apprentice Platoon , fyi, for the morale boost I suppose? - the only reason I've maintained any grasp on my sanity is by spending as little time as possible on PAT and asking for every tasking available. Lucked out with a permanent one at Maintenance, thankfully, which is keeping me occupied 'till my 3s in April. Yeah, that was advice given to me when I landed in Gagetown. Worked out well.
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compressioncut posted:Three whole years? My goodness (my experience Navy-side is generally 4 years, i.e. the full time to Cpl). All depends on the trade; there were a lot of ABs on my QL5's and even one guy who was loaded while still an OS. For a while my trade had nothing between QL3s and QL5s, not even any OJT packages. Agree that 5s qualified LS is pretty sweet though - good pay for so little responsibility and before all that supervising/admin bullshit kicks in.
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