Sean Archer posted:

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Armadillos! posted:

I decided to catch up on this thread and a lot of it made me really quite sad. Not just because of the things that get spread around, the conspiracy theories and the lies and so on.

cheerfullydrab posted:

Hey, if you want to be especially sad, think about how the person who started this thread died and then was actually used in crazy stuff that was posted in this thread. I really try not to think about this.

bobkatt013 posted:

If you want to get angrier go to the Free Republic thread.

say no to bats posted:

bobkatt013 posted:

I assume this thread is about to explode with stupid gun emails.

bobkatt013 posted:

I assume this thread is about to explode with stupid gun emails.

Gun Violence Reduction Executive Actions posted:

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

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23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

Amused to Death posted:

Already happening on facebook

say no to bats posted:

Welp.

In a few years of dating/marrying a woman who is the stereotypical Freeper stock (Deeply religious, extremely racist, morbidly obese to the point of being on the precipice of actual loving Rascal riding (north of 450 lbs currently) my wife's little brother has gone from a normal progressive-leaning young man to an insane Freeper posting poo poo like this on Facebook and being all upset about how blind people are to not see how the illegitimate Marxist Nazi Muslim Atheist friend of the family human being president is taking his guns. Mind you, he is only in his mid-20s and should not be this mentally broken but welp.

The most recent gem is this.



I'm really loving depressed now.

His monster of a wife has frequently wished for the murder/lynching of various prominent black Americans as well at family gatherings and holiday dinners and the like. Just out of the blue too.

It really is a joy that she was brought into our lives.

Amused to Death posted:

This will be morphed into "Obamacare 2.0, the final socialist takeover"

Aika posted:

I can top that:

cheerfullydrab posted:

Hey, if you want to be especially sad, think about how the person who started this thread died and then was actually used in crazy stuff that was posted in this thread. I really try not to think about this.

Power of Pecota posted:

Growing up in Kansas City, the garbage people I know from grade school/high school is going to kill me today.

Power of Pecota posted:

Growing up in Kansas City, the garbage people I know from grade school/high school is going to kill me today.

Defenestration posted:

Yeah, but people don't threaten to kill me every day, make public calls for my assassination, or lynch me in effigy on their lawns...

13Pandora13 posted:

Chirst, I'm in the midst of a full-blown Facebook war over Vaccinating children. I had everything - the FDA guidelines showing there's no Thermosal (which isn't dangerous anyway) in infant vaccines (and detailing what is used as a preservative), the increasing rates of Pertussis and Polio, the potential dangers of intentionally infecting your child with chicken pox instead of vaccinating, everything. All my ducks lined up in a neat (vaccinated) row.

"But where are the preservatives MADE? MANMADE in a LAB? Are you saying I'm IGNORANT because I won't get my toddler the flu vaccine?!"

I didn't say poo poo about the flu vaccine. But between a child-approved vaccine and intentional infection when two major cities have declared a state of emergency over the flu, yeah, you're kind of a loving idiot.

Armadillos! posted:

I decided to catch up on this thread and a lot of it made me really quite sad. Not just because of the things that get spread around, the conspiracy theories and the lies and so on.

It's all the people saying that their brother, father, spouse, aunt, whoever is the one spreading this around and that they won't say anything to avoid upsetting family. Because that's why these things continue, because people won't stand up to the bullshit. C'mon, people! A little more and maybe we can make the world just the tiniest bit better


fakeedit: I love the "If you think the children are the most important, REMEMBER HITLER" image. Doesn't the message behind that just scream 'gently caress You, Got Mine'?

DarkHorse posted:

I had to point out some of the chemicals in vaccines were ones your body produced naturally, and that 0.015% of the population (possibly) having a bad reaction is better than 0.1% of them dying or suffering permanent consequences.

This was just for flu, which while relatively harmless can still kill. I can't imagine people arguing about polio

idiot on facebook posted:

well, we only know what the media tells us. I'm not big on conspiracy stuff, but it's interesting that FEMA would have a session on "Planning for the needs of Children in Disasters" on the same morning of the shooting. The meeting was supposed to take place 20 mins from the school.I'm not trying to lessen the impact of this traumatic event but there are questions that need to be answered.

my response posted:

What are these questions that are so important, they must be answered-and decorum and decency must be completely eschewed in the process? In order to even remotely agree with your notion, we'd have to also believe an entire town was in on this coup and twenty parents willingly sent their children into the slaughter for the sole purpose of govt. control of the population through fear. That six adults were covert agents or at least spies, sent to prop up a regime. I'm going into this exact field: the criminal study of mental health, particularly when it comes to spree/serial killings. Do you realize how absolutely impossible it would be to cull out who was a victim or a perpetrator in this scenario, if as the conspiracy theorists argue "everyone is in on the con"? An impossible scenario is one that you can not reason back to..a good explanation must be logical in its explanation forwards and backwards. A school shooting with a mentally ill man who has witnesses attesting to his presence and mental history makes far more sense than the idea that families and community members could be paid off and agree to a death that would make them receiving such a reward impossible. This wasn't inner city Detroit, this community has no financial gain for participating in a fake school shooting. Newtown CT is a fairly affluent neighborhood and could just as easily have forced the govts. hand to extend them cash for charters. etc. Given that plenty of DC and govt. movers and shakers do not actually live in DC but instead come into the city from CT, NJ,NY and Baltimore, and have summer homes in CT, its more likely that they just happened to plan a centralized location available to all guests instead of making quite possibly the most obvious statement of setting up a planned mass murder, despite conspiracy theorists arguing that our govt. acts in the shadows. If these questions are that important they must be raised, then these theorists can start planning protests, not calling random citizens.

13Pandora13 posted:

Chirst, I'm in the midst of a full-blown Facebook war over Vaccinating children. I had everything - the FDA guidelines showing there's no Thermosal (which isn't dangerous anyway) in infant vaccines (and detailing what is used as a preservative), the increasing rates of Pertussis and Polio, the potential dangers of intentionally infecting your child with chicken pox instead of vaccinating, everything. All my ducks lined up in a neat (vaccinated) row.

"But where are the preservatives MADE? MANMADE in a LAB? Are you saying I'm IGNORANT because I won't get my toddler the flu vaccine?!"

I didn't say poo poo about the flu vaccine. But between a child-approved vaccine and intentional infection when two major cities have declared a state of emergency over the flu, yeah, you're kind of a loving idiot.

Old Guy I Used To Work With posted:

via I will NOT vote for Obama in 2012.
Nice move

Oops. Provision in Obamacare Forbid Dems from Restricting Guns
https://www.reagancoalition.com
Interesting. Shows how spineless Democrats are.

NatasDog posted:

Here's a new one:

quote:

Some have incorrectly claimed that language in the Affordable Care Act prohibits doctors from
asking their patients about guns and gun safety. Medical groups also continue to fight against
state laws attempting to ban doctors from asking these questions. The Administration will
issue guidance clarifying that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit or otherwise regulate
communication between doctors and patients, including about firearms.

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The problem is accessiblity, lack of harsh punishment for those who commit such crimes. You want a quick fix for the nations debt, go ahead and take out all the trash on death row, bring back the death penality, and look at the money flow from red to black. People on death row for 15-20 years are costing me and other Americans MILLIONS!!! Handle the problems from the start and things will take care of themselves. Quit using the tragedies for your own personal platform. Are only hope for America is GOD, because Washington is leading us straight into the belly of the beast.

Baruch Obamawitz posted:

If we literally killed every single person in jail, that'd take care of like 8% of the deficit.

Baruch Obamawitz posted:

If we literally killed every single person in jail, that'd take care of like 8% of the deficit.

Fionnoula posted:

I had a woman say this to me in a discussion about flu shots (on a support group page for parents of children with a specific disability that carried with it cardiac and pulmonary issues, so flu is generally *really* bad for them):
"When your immune system fights off normal viruses it gets stronger. Fear does not serve anyone. Remember the bird flu, spanish flu, all the other 'dangerous' epidemic flus? I'm just saying... give the immune system lots of proper support and let the body do it's greatness. Getting sick every now and then is not so bad."

So yeah, SPANISH FLU: Not so bad. Like really, you can't live in fear, right?

I responded, "Spanish Flu? You mean the one that killed 50 MILLION PEOPLE? Yeah, I've heard of that one. If you want to minimize the dangers of illnesses in order to tell people that they shouldn't vaccinate, how about you don't pick the Spanish Flu, which killed more people than World War I, as an example of something that is negligible."

She replied with "Yeah, well Bird flu was totally blown out of proportion!"

swiss_army_chainsaw posted:

My kid is due in 3 weeks and we got set up with a pediatrician yesterday. While talking to the doc, he hesitantly started in on what can be a very touchy topic in places like the Bay Area, where we happen to live.

"Now, in terms of vaccines..."

I quickly assured him that my husband and I are not "those sort of people" and we want our baby to get all his vaccines. The doc was very happy to hear that. This is a real issue here in California. We're getting outbreaks of poo poo like measles all the time among young school-aged kids because so many parents have stopped vaccinating. Measles outbreaks in a First World country in 2013! Why aren't more people appalled by that?

And especially in places like the Bay Area, could there maybe, possibly be other reasons for autism clusters? Like how many of the people who are parents to the "autism generation" have their own developmental/social issues that make them perfect for their tech jobs but might put them on autism spectrum as well? Also, there's a ridiculous number of people out here who wait until their 40s to start families. Chromosomal issues much?

13Pandora13 posted:

There is a lot of myth out there about vaccines. Thermosal isn't dangerous (ingested organic mercury doesn't do what inhaled mercury does and only a very small percent of injected or ingested mercury is absorbed at all; for that matter "dangerous" mercury is methylmercury which is NOT in Thermosal but IS in large predatory fish, which is why pregnant women are advised not to eat fish like Tuna and to supplement Omega-3 through chia or flax instead) but isn't in vaccines in the States anyway. Preservative in vaccines is VERY important - not that long ago there was a problem with some injections of spinal steroids not being preserved properly. The injections were contaminated and a lot of people got sick and some died from fungal meningitis (adults, not children, and not from routine vaccines).

I won't say vaccines are 100% safe because there are allergies to substrates and preservatives, but that number is very, very small and, as I said before, if a child has an anaphylactic reaction to a vaccine and cannot be vaccinated accordingly, if other parents are practicing responsible vaccination, those children will be protected by herd immunity.

Vaccines come in a variety of types,but they act by triggering an immune response, not by killing the bacteria/virus directly. An attenuated (live, weakened) vaccine (MMR, chicken pox, the flu spray) gives the immune system "first hand" experience with an infectious agent and allows it to build antibodies naturally without risking a full-borne infection. These are tested EXTENSIVELY to insure that the virus/bacteria won't revert back to "wild type" and become infectious again. Polio and Hep A are done with a dead vaccine - actual dead "bodies" are injected so the body learns to recognize foreign proteins and react to the disease without any infection at all.

Tetanus (and diptheria) are a little trickier - they're inert toxins, which is why you "booster" them - your body learns how to combat the toxin without risk of poisoning. This is actually why botox, in my opinion, is insanely dangerous - your body doesn't "learn" botulism like it learns tetanus, which is why it works/paralyzes/"relaxes" facial muscles.

Finally there's subunit vaccines. To minimize "wild type" or "revival" (some pathogens can absorb DNA from their environment and then, depending on the DNA absorbed, can revive an infection, which is awesome from a biology standpoint but not great from a medicine standpoint) risk, only parts of a dead bacteria/virus are injected so the body can learn the protein markers and build antibodies with no risk of infection. HPV, flu injection, pneumonia, Hep B, and bacterial meningitis are all vaccinated like this.

All of these vaccines result in a NATURAL response - it's your body that produces the antibodies, not the injection!

I hope this is comprehensive. If there's anything missing/any additional questions, I would love to answer them. Please vaccinate your children (unless they have an allergy to something in the vaccine class, and then please don't but make sure your friends do to protect your kid).

Idiot 1 posted:

Correlation is not causation. There is no proof that vaccines themselves eradicated certain diseases. Vaccines are not always targeted at populations most at risk. Newborns are not at risk for hep B...why are they given that shot hours after being born? I undertsand herd immunity, but it is not just unvaccinated kIds spreading diseases. Why are certain diseases referred to as vaccine preventable when the vaccine is not guaranteed to prevent the disease. Asking everyone to get vaccinated to ensure herd immunity puts kids at risk. Kids whose bodies can't handle being injected by eight different vaccines at 15 lbs and 4 months old. Are those 8 really needed at that time? And then again in 2 months? So are the immunecompromised more importatnt to protect? The point is, there should be more safety measures out into place. There should be more research done on why some kids have such bad reactions. REally, I have yet to read anything proving that smallpox was eradicated by the vaccine. Could you show where it is proven?

Idiot 1 posted:

That is correlation, not causation. It can not be proven b/c there are too many uncontrolable variables. Granted, it is a high level of correlation which most see as "proof", but scientifically speaking it is not proof.

Idiot 2 posted:

Here's a good article written by Dr. Humphries and herd immunity. http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/07/05/herd-immunity-the-flawed-science-and-failures-of-mass-vaccination-suzanne-humphries-md-3/

Do some more research on Jenner. He wasn't quite the saint that we have been led to believe. The book Sanctity of Human Blood is a good history read! So are we only suppose to listen to our government, scientists, and doctors who are pro-vaccine? What about the ones who are finally not afraid to speak about the vaccine reactions that they have seen with their own eyes. http://www.ebcala.org/unanswered-questions/inadequate-vaccine-safety-research-and-conflicts-of-interest

Baruch Obamawitz posted:

Just got this:


The deficit is ~$900b. "Saving millions" would be less than .01% of the deficit. Hell, we spend about $70b on incarcerating all prisoners, not just death row prisoners. If we literally killed every single person in jail, that'd take care of like 8% of the deficit.