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Wolfsheim posted:I have relatives who are mostly non-political, maybe posted some dumb bullshit around election time, but keep it pretty quiet. But this Sandy Hook thing has blown my wall the gently caress up with all the bad meme images liked from the Tea Party's page, STOP OBAMA pages, etc. None of them really stuck out, until this one today: Meanwhile, the one President who was elected for four terms was significantly more liberal than Obama. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EZ5bx9AyI4 Listen to that commie, and Americans voted for him four times in a row. I bet he took all the guns so that they couldn't resist his tyranny at home.
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I am now convinced that the defenders of our Constitution have never perused or even glanced at such documents. Constitutional law is fun enough to argue these days, with pretty much every American claiming that the language is cut-and-dried and it is SO OBVIOUS exactly what rights are guaranteed by each amendment. I have had to explain to a number of people that Constitutional law is a topic hotly debated by many brilliant lawyers and politicians, essentially down to literally every word of the document. So no, the purpose and interpretation of that amendment is not 100% clear. For people posting that macro though, just suggest they start at the amendments that only have the number '2' in them. That should clear some basic moronic opinions up. Ahahahaha.... or not. 
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Ror posted:I am now convinced that the defenders of our Constitution have never perused or even glanced at such documents. Constitutional law is fun enough to argue these days, with pretty much every American claiming that the language is cut-and-dried and it is SO OBVIOUS exactly what rights are guaranteed by each amendment. I have had to explain to a number of people that Constitutional law is a topic hotly debated by many brilliant lawyers and politicians, essentially down to literally every word of the document. So no, the purpose and interpretation of that amendment is not 100% clear. http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-passionate-defender-of-what-he-imagines-c,2849/
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Do the 2nd amendment nuts really think their piddly M16 or AK47 and lack of training is going to stop the government, which has Tanks, stealth bombers, unmanned drones, etc if they ever did try and take over?
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Spalec posted:Do the 2nd amendment nuts really think their piddly M16 or AK47 and lack of training is going to stop the government, which has Tanks, stealth bombers, unmanned drones, etc if they ever did try and take over? But don't you see, the military will defect and join us in our uprising against the Muslim Marxist Socialist Nazi Kenyan Barack HUSSEIN Obama. 
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They often point to successful guerrilla wars and insurgencies as examples. They, of course, ignore that such campaigns are carried out by the sort of men who are content to hike 20 miles a day in sandals and survive for a week on a handful of rice.
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Jan 19, 2013 21:40
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It's also easier to fight against a foreign occupier and convince them to pull out than it is to fight against your own people who have nowhere to retreat to. And any tyrant trying to take over the country from within would have to come to power with a significant amount of popular support, and those supporters would have the same gun rights as the brave resistance.
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Gen. Ripper posted:But don't you see, the military will defect and join us in our uprising against the Muslim Marxist Socialist Nazi Kenyan Barack HUSSEIN Obama. If the military will support the revolution, then what the gently caress do we need guns for anyway?
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TerminalSaint posted:They often point to successful guerrilla wars and insurgencies as examples. Exactly. When you look at the physical condition some of these proud patriots are in, they seem to be counting on the evil gub-mint forces being even closer to a fatal heart attack or stoke than they are.
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Jan 19, 2013 23:39
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I went back a few pages and didn't see it posted or discussed, but this has been blowing up on my conservative friends Facebook walls http://clashdaily.com/2013/01/the-5-worst-mass-murders-in-the-usa-with-a-firearm-came-from-democrats/ The article of course doesn't list any sources, but I could use some help refuting it.
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Jan 19, 2013 23:53
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My special kind of stupid Facebook friend posted both the picture of Obama with the book Post America World with the caption about it being written by a Muslim and about the world after America, and the picture of Obama giving a speech with no flag behind him unlike every other president ever. Sometimes I don't know whether to argue or just unfriend.
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AN AIRBRUSHED VAN posted:I went back a few pages and didn't see it posted or discussed, but this has been blowing up on my conservative friends Facebook walls
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I. It's a joke image, right? The one with a robot mosquito and people panicking that the GUVMENT is using robots that look like mosquitos to land in your home and scan an RFID code onto you. Oh god no, not mosquitoes! WE CAN'T USE GUNS ON MOSQUITOES.
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ninjahedgehog posted:If the military will support the revolution, then what the gently caress do we need guns for anyway? To execute those black friend of the family fifth-columnists, of course. Not that any Freeper would tell you such.
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swiss_army_chainsaw posted:Exactly. When you look at the physical condition some of these proud patriots are in, they seem to be counting on the evil gub-mint forces being even closer to a fatal heart attack or stoke than they are. And don't forget those campaigns they like to point to (Afghanistan, Vietnam) took well over a decade, nearly three decades if you want to include the Vietnamese struggle against the French immediately following WW2, before they achieved their ultimate objective. Hell they didn't even win militarily, they just played the long game and waited for the war(s) to become politically unpopular and then sued for peace. I fail to imagine these blowhards achieving the same degree of success in the scenarios they masturbate to.
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Wolfsheim posted:I have relatives who are mostly non-political, maybe posted some dumb bullshit around election time, but keep it pretty quiet. But this Sandy Hook thing has blown my wall the gently caress up with all the bad meme images liked from the Tea Party's page, STOP OBAMA pages, etc. None of them really stuck out, until this one today: Tell me about that terrible, terrible dictatorship modern Germany's under right now. After all, the Chancellor isn't term-limited! 
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Boondock Saint posted:And don't forget those campaigns they like to point to (Afghanistan, Vietnam) took well over a decade, nearly three decades if you want to include the Vietnamese struggle against the French immediately following WW2, before they achieved their ultimate objective. PLUS all the people involved in those insurgencies didn't need constitutionally-guaranteed access to firearms in order to get them. Funny that.
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swiss_army_chainsaw posted:PLUS all the people involved in those insurgencies didn't need constitutionally-guaranteed access to firearms in order to get them. Funny that. And you know it's even more funny when you realize guns weren't the only thing they received from their sponsors.
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 Do you know why Barney had only one bullet? Because Andy was practicing gun control. He knew it wasn't a wise idea to let Barney have more than one in the chamber and by every example we're given, he's exactly right. Barney's hair-trigger temper and poor reflexes meant that he shot the floor, ceiling and everything that wasn't intended to be a target. Oh and Andy could be the sheriff perfectly fine without carrying a gun. During the course of The Andy Griffith Show, he never shot anyone.
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Boondock Saint posted:And you know it's even more funny when you realize guns weren't the only thing they received from their sponsors. Good God, who would sponsor an insurrection movement here? The French again? Isn't it funny how so many Americans seem to define their rights so narrowly, and/or don't even understand them at all? If it can't be screamed about by some red-faced pundit on Fox News, nobody's interested.
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RC and Moon Pie posted:
Did they forget that Andy made a pro Obama commercial with Ron Howard back in 2008?
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This came up today: I would love to ask him what part he agrees with: imprisoning or shooting people who cross borders. I don't think I would have even noticed except because of color scheme I thought it was something about Subway.
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KillerJunglist posted:This came up today: Easy response. "Yep, I sure wish the US was more like North Korea, glad you agree!" E: Also, "Wow, they just hand you that stuff once you cross the border illegally? BRB, gonna go to Mexico and come back and claim I'm illegal!" WampaLord fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Jan 20, 2013 |
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Jan 20, 2013 21:10
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I had good results with "what other ways do you think we should be more like North Korea or Iran?"
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Deleed post, realized that if this was unique it could infringe on someone's privacy.
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KillerJunglist posted:This came up today: Here's hoping it goes better for you than when I tried to respond to that meme: 
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So your friend really doesn't get that the meme implies the U.S. needs to be more like those countries? I've said it before and I'll say it again: many of the people posting this bullshit right now would welcome true Fascism with open arms.
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Here's a fun one I just got.
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XyloJW posted:Here's a fun one I just got. Why is that podium transparent and Obama has no legs?
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XyloJW posted:Here's a fun one I just got. Flag's right here.  
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XyloJW posted:Here's a fun one I just got.     Where's our flag Mr. Reagan? And who are those guys in funny European clothes?
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Reagan photo obviously can't be real; there are teleprompters in that photo and those weren't invented until the exact moment Obama started running for President.
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Tonight my dad claimed that the government, as part of Obamacare, can seize, tax or somehow extract money from people's 401k's. I didn't really know if that was true and couldn't Google so I tried to extract exactly by what mechanism he thought that would happen and of course he really didn't know, ultimately settling on that they might take out a loan against your private investment account... which makes no sense at all. Anyway, after our call I tried to verify the basis of this 401k change in Obamacare and I haven't found a drat thing. Anyone know anything about this? Sorry about the lack of details, this is all I could get out of him.
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Summit posted:Tonight my dad claimed that the government, as part of Obamacare, can seize, tax or somehow extract money from people's 401k's. I didn't really know if that was true and couldn't Google so I tried to extract exactly by what mechanism he thought that would happen and of course he really didn't know, ultimately settling on that they might take out a loan against your private investment account... which makes no sense at all. Anyway, after our call I tried to verify the basis of this 401k change in Obamacare and I haven't found a drat thing. Anyone know anything about this? Sorry about the lack of details, this is all I could get out of him. If it is like the Massachusetts thing if you do not have health insurance then you are fined a certain amount. I am not sure if you are charged at a later date or they take it out of your return.
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His claim was more specific to 401k's but perhaps he (or more likely some dumbass friend of his) got confused about the penalties and mixed it up with investment accounts somehow?
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Summit posted:His claim was more specific to 401k's but perhaps he (or more likely some dumbass friend of his) got confused about the penalties and mixed it up with investment accounts somehow? That is what most of them do.
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Summit posted:Tonight my dad claimed that the government, as part of Obamacare, can seize, tax or somehow extract money from people's 401k's. I didn't really know if that was true and couldn't Google so I tried to extract exactly by what mechanism he thought that would happen and of course he really didn't know, ultimately settling on that they might take out a loan against your private investment account... which makes no sense at all. Anyway, after our call I tried to verify the basis of this 401k change in Obamacare and I haven't found a drat thing. Anyone know anything about this? Sorry about the lack of details, this is all I could get out of him. It's part of an IRS conspiracy theory involving Obamacare. I had the same argument with my parents, and reminded them that the IRS already has the power to garnish your wages. They just kind of sputtered for a while insisting that all of this was so new and shocking while I just kept reminding them about how many powers the IRS already has. It probably stems from an echo-chambered Limbaugh talking point from when Obamacare was going through congress.
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I was recently told that Obama was going to raise the Capital Gains tax to 35%. He'd also add a 5-10% tax for Obamacare which brings it up to 45% And if you're married, multiply that by 2 and you get 90% of your money gets taken away by taxes.
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I got the North Korea, Iran, Afghanistan border meme from a high school acquaintance. I responded with how he apparently wants the US to be like those countries and I asked what other policies he would enact like those countries. His response was "stop giving away free poo poo to those breaking the law.....poo poo paid for with my taxes." I told him that "admitting that you support fascism and communism (real communism) is the first step to take". He promptly deleted the entire post. VICTORY!
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XyloJW posted:Here's hoping it goes better for you than when I tried to respond to that meme: I decided to not be directly confrontational and respond with "You don't have to enter illegally, necessarily." and this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Joseph_Dresnok He answered with "That's pretty interesting." I know, it's not much of a conclusion, but it's all I could think of.
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