UK Political Cartoons Mega Thread Part 3 (Australian Cartoons Now Welcome)

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Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

OP I'm detecting a little bit of bias in your newspaper naming strategy.

# ? Jan 18, 2013 03:31

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# ? May 30, 2024 19:50

Hong XiuQuan: Feb 19, 2008; "Without justice for the Palestinians there will be no peace in the Middle East."

Clapham Omnibus posted:

Hm. I thought that said "No to Eli" and was trying to work out if they were trying to say the Tories were anti-semitic, which is about the only sort of racism they can't be accused of.

Same here. Thought it was a comment on something to do with Israel, so as I tried ticking off Israeli politicians named Eli in my head realised it was EU and I suppose that kind of looks like Cameron?

# ? Jan 18, 2013 09:32

Rude Dude With Tude: Apr 19, 2007; Your President approves this text.

Fluo posted:

Daily Express _Islamophobia:

Why is Prince Harry writing a speech on the EU?

# ? Jan 18, 2013 13:17

Fluo: May 25, 2007

Grauniad:

The UK prime minister has been forced to postpone his keynote speech on Europe due to the Algerian hostage crisis

Torygraph:

Indy:

Daily Heil:

quote:

David Cameron will today make an important speech about the UK�s position in the EU.

quote:

�We�re expecting some in if his EU speech is rubbish.�

Daily What:

Fluo fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Jan 19, 2013

# ? Jan 18, 2013 13:41

LP97S: Apr 25, 2008

Could someone explain the Cameron = Various bits of meat to me?

# ? Jan 18, 2013 14:58

Mr. Squishy: Mar 22, 2010; A country where you can always get richer.

It's tying in to the recent news story about horse and pig being found in supermarket beef burgers, and some lingering conceptions of the EU trying to interfere with the Great British Sausage.
e: possibly also the politics of compromise being likened to ground meat to boot.

# ? Jan 18, 2013 15:03

Modus Trollens: Sep 12, 2010

is the telegraph inferring we should get rid of the internet?

# ? Jan 18, 2013 16:17

big scary monsters: Sep 2, 2011; -~Ｓｋｕｌｌｗａｖｅ~-

Fluo posted:

Guardian:

The UK prime minister has been forced to postpone his keynote speech on Europe due to the Algerian hostage crisis

Ahaha, the condom flags.

Modus Trollens posted:

is the telegraph inferring we should get rid of the internet?

You're doing the inferring, although they might be implying it. :eng101:

But I think it's just A Thing Happened - some high street shops can't compete with online retailers.

# ? Jan 18, 2013 16:40

Modus Trollens: Sep 12, 2010

big scary monsters posted:

But I think it's just A Thing Happened - some high street shops can't compete with online retailers.

oh right HMV went bust this week

which is why its in the corner of the cartoon and not front and center, don't want to make it too obvious

# ? Jan 18, 2013 17:23

goatface: Dec 5, 2007; I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.; Grimey Drawer

Blockbuster (surprised they still existed) and Jessops went down this week too.

# ? Jan 18, 2013 17:45

a pipe smoking dog: Jan 25, 2010; "haha, dogs can't smoke!"

LP97S posted:

Could someone explain the Cameron = Various bits of meat to me?

If Cameron carries on loving up so badly over Europe then he's for the chopping block/ meat is in the news!

# ? Jan 19, 2013 02:06

Protocol 5: Sep 23, 2004; "I can't wait until cancer inevitably chokes the life out of Curt Schilling."

goatface posted:

Blockbuster (surprised they still existed) and Jessops went down this week too.

It's always amusing when free market types complain about businesses failing due to an inability to compete. Gutting unions and offshoring jobs is all well and good, but when corporations start folding, someone needs to step in and do something.

# ? Jan 19, 2013 05:14

Fluo: May 25, 2007

Guardian:

Snow has closed 3,000 schools, caused power cuts and disrupted road, rail and air services.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21062981
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21076219

Telegraph:

Indy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21097026

# ? Jan 19, 2013 10:29

Hong XiuQuan: Feb 19, 2008; "Without justice for the Palestinians there will be no peace in the Middle East."

Fluo posted:

Indy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21097026

That is superb.

# ? Jan 19, 2013 11:10

Noreaus: May 22, 2008; HEY, WHAT'S HAPPENING?

Woah. I didn't get it until I saw it again with my eyes unfocused.

# ? Jan 19, 2013 13:16

Fluo: May 25, 2007

Fluo posted:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21097026

Also forgot to add to the post its a parody of this Salvador Dali painting. Titled Disappearing Bust of Voltaire (1941).

Its an amazing parody, as when timg'd you see the face of Cameron in the parody. :lsd:

The one done a year before (1940) was called Slave Market with the Disappearing Bust of Voltaire.

quote:

Slave Market with the Disappearing Bust of Voltaire (1940) is a painting by Spanish Surrealist Salvador Dal�. The painting depicts a slave market, while a woman at a booth watches some people. A variety of people seem to make up the face of Voltaire, while the face seems to be positioned on an object to form a bust.
The painting was completed in 1940. Dal� describes his work on the painting "to make the abnormal look normal and the normal look abnormal."

__________

Namtab posted:

OP I'm detecting a little bit of bias in your newspaper naming strategy.

No strategy, if you want to know the reasons behide them.

Guardian posted:

The paper's nickname The Grauniad originated with the satirical magazine Private Eye. This anagram played on The Guardian's reputation for frequent typographical errors, such as misspelling its own name as The Gaurdian. The domain grauniad.co.uk is registered to the paper and redirects to their website.

Telegraph posted:

The personal links between the paper's editors and the leadership of the Conservative Party, along with the paper's influence over Conservative activists, have resulted in the paper commonly being referred to, especially in Private Eye, as the Torygraph.

Independent posted:

Nicknamed the Indy, it was launched in 1986 and is one of the youngest UK national daily newspapers.

Daily Mail posted:

Lord Rothermere was a friend of Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler, and directed the Mail's editorial stance towards them in the 1930s. Rothermere's 1933 leader "Youth Triumphant" praised the new Nazi regime's accomplishments, and was subsequently used as propaganda by them. In it, Rothermere predicted that "The minor misdeeds of individual Nazis would be submerged by the immense benefits the new regime is already bestowing upon Germany". Journalist John Simpson, in a book on journalism, suggested that Rothermere was referring to the violence against Jews and Communists rather than the detention of political prisoners.
Rothermere and the Mail were also editorially sympathetic to Oswald Mosley and the British Union of Fascists. Rothermere wrote an article entitled "Hurrah for the Blackshirts" in January 1934, praising Mosley for his "sound, commonsense, Conservative doctrine".This support ended after violence at a BUF rally in Kensington Olympia later that year.

Daily Express posted:

The Daily Express has a reputation for consistently printing conspiracy theories about the death of Diana, Princess of Wales as front page news, earning it the nickname, the Daily Ex-Princess; this has been satirised in Private Eye, the newspaper being labelled the Diana Express or the Di'ly Express, and has been attributed to Desmond's close friendship with regular Eye target Mohamed Fayed.

Telegraph is well known #1 Tory/Conservative supporter, Guardian do a poo poo ton of typos, Daily Mail supported Hitler & Nazis and are pretty far right newspaper, Daily Express is pretty much Daily Mail but more tabloidy with added Diana, Independent is generally too young to have a funny nickname.

Fluo fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Jan 19, 2013

# ? Jan 19, 2013 15:15

A Sloth: Aug 4, 2010; EVERY TIME I POST I AM REQUIRED TO DISCLOSE THAT I AM A SHITHEAD.

ASK ME MY EXPERT OPINION ON GENDER BASED INSULTS & "ENGLISH ETHNIC GROUPS".

The Grundian is one of my favourite Guardian nicknames. (In reference to the Grundrisse.)

# ? Jan 19, 2013 18:59

cloudchamber: Aug 6, 2010; You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

In what way is the Guardian marxist?

# ? Jan 19, 2013 19:02

A Sloth: Aug 4, 2010; EVERY TIME I POST I AM REQUIRED TO DISCLOSE THAT I AM A SHITHEAD.

ASK ME MY EXPERT OPINION ON GENDER BASED INSULTS & "ENGLISH ETHNIC GROUPS".

It is 'left wing'... don't take it too seriously.

# ? Jan 19, 2013 19:09

LP97S: Apr 25, 2008

cloudchamber posted:

In what way is the Guardian marxist?

Not run by Nazi Sympathizers/Left of Thatcher.

# ? Jan 19, 2013 20:46

cloudchamber: Aug 6, 2010; You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

The new political theories based around the Grundrisse, i.e Althusser's idea of an epistemological break in Marx's writings and the development of Structuralist Marxism, were never that popular in England and I doubt they would have found their way into The Guardian.

# ? Jan 20, 2013 01:02

vodkat: Jun 30, 2012; cannot legally be sold as vodka

A Sloth posted:

The Grundian is one of my favourite Guardian nicknames. (In reference to the Grundrisse.)

I had always been told that it was the Grauniad because their copy editing and spellchecking was so bad in the 70's that they would misspell the name of their own paper. Although I have to say that I like your explanation more.

# ? Jan 20, 2013 01:07

Brigadier Sockface: Apr 1, 2007

Fluo posted:

Indy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21097026

This one is probably too good. I bet most readers never saw the face.

# ? Jan 20, 2013 01:23

R. Mute: Jul 27, 2011

Brigadier Sockface posted:

This one is probably too good. I bet most readers never saw the face.

It's pretty obvious. Also good.

# ? Jan 20, 2013 01:39

fuzzy_logic: May 2, 2009; unfortunately hideous and irreverislbe

As a yank, is it bad that I can easily recognize your pm in photos because of these cartoons?

And that I always picture him in a little sailor suit?

# ? Jan 20, 2013 02:41

GuestBob: Nov 27, 2005

vodkat posted:

I had always been told that it was the Grauniad because their copy editing and spellchecking was so bad in the 70's that they would misspell the name of their own paper. Although I have to say that I like your explanation more.

It was never just about copy editing. For a long time the Guardian was the only daily newspaper published outside London. Because they wanted their paper to be on the news stands in the South at the same time as all of the others they had to release it for printing a little bit earlier than the other major dailies. Hence the tendency for the occasional fuckup. Sometimes an error which appeared in the Southern edition was fixed by the time they were printing papers for the North.

# ? Jan 20, 2013 06:41

woke wedding drone: Jun 1, 2003; by exmarx; Fun Shoe

Way to let philistines in on the Dal� reference :arghfist:

# ? Jan 20, 2013 07:04

Fluo: May 25, 2007

fuzzy_logic posted:

As a yank, is it bad that I can easily recognize your pm in photos because of these cartoons?

And that I always picture him in a little sailor suit?

No its good! as Cameron is an upper class monster. He was a member of the Bullingdon Club

quote:

THE BULLINGDON (aka the Buller)
FOUNDED: 1780.
WHO? Plutocrats, aristocrats, would-be world leaders from the richest homes and finest public schools, desperate for the chance to sport the distinctive �3,500 Bullingdon tailcoat and follow in the footsteps of such alumni as Edward VII, David Dimbleby, Boris Johnson, George Osborne and David Cameron.
DEGREE OF DEPRAVITY: 2:1. Apart from the two notorious occasions in 1894 and 1927 when its members smashed almost every window in Peckwater Quad, Christ Church, Buller members are not quite the worst.
INITIATION CEREMONY: On election to the Buller, an initiate�s rooms and possessions are ritually destroyed by his fellow members.
OTHER TRADITIONS: Members are famously discreet about their antics and are rich enough to buy � in cash � the silence of those dining establishments they damage during their riotous evenings.

quote:

(1) the Hon. Edward Sebastian Grigg, the heir to Baron Altrincham of Tormarton and current chairman of Credit Suisse (UK)

(2) David Cameron Prime Minister

(3) Ralph Perry Robinson, a former child actor, designer, furniture-maker

(4) Ewen Fergusson, son of the British ambassador to France, Sir Ewen Fergusson and now at City law firm Herbert Smith

(5) Matthew Benson, the heir to the Earldom of Wemyss and March

(6) Sebastian James, the son of Lord Northbourne, a major landowner in Kent

(7) Jonathan Ford, the-then president of the club, a banker with Morgan Grenfell

(8) Boris Johnson, the-then president of the Oxford Union, now Lord Mayor of London

(9) Harry Eastwood, the investment fund consultant

quote:

1. Rupert Cotterell: The grandson of the 6th Baron Camoys, he learnt to fly while studying architectural history at Oxford and was likened to Biggles because of his appearance.
Described as having �boundless enthusiasm�, he returned to his family�s manor house in rural Dorset after graduation and still lives in the area. Now 41 and married with three children, he helps run the family mail order food business, Cornucopia Foods.
2. Chris Coleridge: He is a descendant of the poet Samuel Taylor Coleridge, brother of Cond� Nast managing director Nicholas Coleridge, and son of Lloyds of London boss David Coleridge.
Chris studied history at Exeter College where, with financier Nat Rothschild, he launched a racy student newspaper called Rumpus which featured a topless model, a �Page 7 fella� and a guide on how to steal cars, which was frowned on by the local police.

George Osborne appeared on the magazine�s astrology page, wearing a wizard�s costume. In 2005 Coleridge founded V Water, which sells vitamin-infused water. It was later sold to Pepsi. The 41-year-old recently moved to the U.S. to pursue a new business venture.
3. Nat Rothschild: The billionaire financier, 41, is the youngest of four children and, as the only boy, the future 5th Baron Rothschild. After Eton, where contemporaries remember him as an unruly student, he studied history at Wadham College.
To his family�s horror, he met Kate Moss�s friend, model Annabelle Neilson, on a beach in India and when he was 23 they eloped to Las Vegas and married. They partied hard, but after three years punctuated by explosive rows, they divorced. He later stopped drinking and turned his life around, and is now tipped to become the richest ever Rothschild.
Already heir to a �750 million fortune, he also ran the Atticus hedge fund, which grew from �60 million in assets to a peak of �13 billion before it was wound up three years ago.
The tax exile has homes in Manhattan, Paris and the Swiss ski resort of Klosters, and spends 750 hours each year in his private jet.
Last summer he celebrated his 40th birthday with a �1 million, three-day extravaganza in Porto Montenegro at the marina billed �the Monaco of the Adriatic�. The guest list included politicians, such as Peter Mandelson, industrialists and celebrities.

4. Mark Petre: The son of the 18th Baron Petre, he was part of an aristocratic family who made their fortune during the Tudor dissolution of the monasteries. After Oxford he became the editor of a glossy property magazine, International Homes.
In 2004 he was found dead, age 34, at his family�s stately home, Ingatestone Hall in Essex, while awaiting trial for driving under the influence of drugs after his Mercedes hit a BMW. The sedative Tamazepam was in his bloodstream �in excess of the therapeutic dose�, but his death was treated as �unsuspicious�.

5. Ed Harris: The Old Etonian studied modern languages at Christ Church. He now works in the City and is head of Asian equity sales at Standard Chartered Bank in London.

6. William Nourse: He trained as an accountant after graduating in experimental psychology from Corpus Christi College. Since 2003, the Old Etonian has worked for Deutsche Bank and is now based in Hong Kong.
Part of his job has also involved advising the National Bank of Greece. He has two children with his wife Annabel, who is the daughter of Lt General Sir John Paul Foley.

7. Mani Boni: The Italian polo player has taken part in prestigious tournaments around Europe. He is also a successful entrepreneur who was a founder of social travel site Roomsurfer.

8. Jo Johnson: The younger brother of London Mayor Boris Johnson, and son of politician Stanley Johnson, he graduated with a first in history from Balliol College in 1994. After postgraduate studies in Europe, he worked at Deutsche Bank and later as a journalist at the Financial Times.
He is married to social affairs journalist Amelia Gentleman and they have two children. Johnson, 40, became a Tory MP in 2010 and is tipped for fast-track promotion.
He declined to comment on the Bullingdon photograph � or why he is the only member of the club wearing grey trousers � and suggested that all queries should be directed to George Osborne�s office.

9. Christopher Egerton-Warburton: He has been described as the �picture of worldly success�, �charming but ruthless� and a rare example that �bankers can be a force for good�.
The descendant of a Baron, Egerton-Warburton read biochemistry at Christ Church and worked for Goldman Sachs for 14 years before co-founding an investment banking firm specialising in sustainable projects in Africa and developing regions.
He was involved in the establishment of one of the largest charities in the UK which funds immunisation programmes in partnership with government, and is a trustee for several charities.
He has described himself as lucky to be alive after breaking his neck when he was knocked off his bicycle last year. The married 41-year-old lives in Pimlico, central London, and has two children, including a daughter with the middle name Lettice.

10. Lord Alexander Hope: The 41-year-old is the son of the 4th Marquess of Linlithgow. After graduation he became a merchant banker then quit to join the art world. He worked at Christie�s and last year became director of the Art Inventory company.
His friend, Tory MP Louise Mensch, acknowledged his help in her 1999 chick-lit novel, Venus Envy. In 2008, he was named by Tatler magazine in the top 100 most invited power partygoers alongside Boris Johnson and David and Samantha Cameron.

11. James Axtell: He attended Oxford�s exclusive Dragon School and Radley College, then took a degree in materials science, economics and management at Trinity College. He worked in venture capital before helping to set up the Sainsbury�s Nectar loyalty programme. He is now a director of a renewable energy company.

12. Dan Higgins: Son of Baron Higgins, a former Tory minister and Olympic athlete, and Dame Rosalyn Higgins QC, the ex-president of the International Court of Justice and a senior legal adviser on the Chilcot Inquiry into the Iraq war.
Dan, 41, studied Politics, Philosophy and Economics at Oxford and later worked in wealth management for Merrill Lynch before becoming a partner in hedge fund Fauchier Partners. The father of two lives in Notting Hill, a few streets from David Cameron�s townhouse.
The Prime Minister was in the Bullingdon in 1987, six years before Osborne. In 2009, with his TV producer wife, Jacqueline, Mr Higgins was invited to a Conservatives� premier political dinner at the Carlton Club, described by one newspaper as the �New Tory power brokers� dinner.

13. Paul Higgins: He attended Manchester Grammar School before studying at Trinity College, Oxford. Called to the Bar in 1996, he works in Manchester specialising in personal injury and fraud cases.

14. Luke Bridgeman: second son of the 3rd Viscount Bridgeman, he became heir after the death of his older brother. He was educated at Eton and graduated from New College with a double first in Classics and Russian. Now 41, he�s married with two children and works for private equity firm Dawnay Day, running assets worth over $4billion.

15. Harry Mount: The son of baronet and Conservative politician Ferdinand Mount and a cousin of David Cameron, he initially worked as a banker after graduating with a degree in classics from Magdalen College. He retrained to be a lawyer but quit and wrote a book, My Brief Career, on his two years as a pupil barrister.
Formerly the New York correspondent of the Daily Telegraph, Harry, 41, is currently a freelance journalist who writes for the Mail among other papers.

16. George Osborne: The Chancellor, 41, is the eldest son of baronet Sir Peter Osborne, the founder of wallpaper merchants Osborne & Little. His real name is Gideon but he has used his grandfather�s name George since the age of 13. He graduated with a 2:1 in modern history from Magdalen College, Oxford, and also edited the university magazine Isis.
One issue was printed on hemp paper, made from the stems of cannabis plants. He is married to the novelist Frances Osborne and they have two children, Luke and Liberty. Osborne has admitted regrets about his �Bully� past: �It�s embarrassing looking at photos of yourself dressed up like a penguin.�

Also the reason behind Martin Rowson doing Cameron the way he does.

quote:

Puppets and pampered kids

He gets fired up again on the subject of the coalition government: �I�m developing this narrative where the Lib Dems are basically puppets � like Danny Alexander as Beaker [from the Muppets] � while the Tories are just pampered kids.

�David Cameron came easily after a few false starts. When he first stood for the leadership I just had all the candidates being measured up for coffins! He was the one in a suit looking impatiently at his watch. But I kept seeing how pink and shiny his face was and I thought he�s like Little Lord Fauntleroy. So he�s got smaller and smaller. And Osborne is like a public school bully with a permanent cocky sneer.�

�It�s incredible. They�ve no real principles, no coherent policies to speak of, no thought-out plan. They just think it�s natural that they�re in charge because it�s what they were born into. It�s like an 11-year-old boy just petulantly hitting a machine with a mallet and hoping that�s enough to fix it.

�Look at Osborne. He�s morally, culturally, socially ill-equipped for the job, utterly vacuous. Maybe we should be pleased he�s there because it shows how useless these aristocratic twats really are. We should have a Committee of Public Safety like in the French Revolution and chop their heads off!� And on that insurrectionary note, Rowson laughs uproariously and disappears back to his drawing board.

Little Lord Fauntleroy.

________________________________

Guardian:

Chris Riddell on the prime minister's forthcoming renegotiation of Britain's place in the EU.
LABELS

Telegraph:

Indy:

Fluo fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Jan 20, 2013

# ? Jan 20, 2013 12:57

Clapham Omnibus: Nov 11, 2006

Fluo posted:

Indy:

I first read this as "stents dear boy" and thought it was about the NHS.

# ? Jan 20, 2013 13:16

Mr. Squishy: Mar 22, 2010; A country where you can always get richer.

I eventually sussed it out as "Events, dear boy", because I couldn't imagine fire as an old boy. "I say old chap, I'm bally well going to burn your house down, what what?!"

I quite like this one. A bit flat but cute enough.

# ? Jan 20, 2013 18:39

Fluo: May 25, 2007

Pip pip!

When will Riddell give up using so many labels?

Fluo fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Jan 21, 2013

# ? Jan 20, 2013 20:25

Fluo: May 25, 2007

Grauniad:

David Cameron's Europe speech.

Torygraph:

Indy:

Diana Express:

# ? Jan 21, 2013 07:37

hazza: Mar 25, 2005; I couldn't see him, therefore I knew he was there.

Fluo posted:

(8) Boris Johnson, the-then president of the Oxford Union, now Lord Mayor of London

It's just 'Mayor of London' - Lord Mayor of London is someone else entirely! :eng101:

# ? Jan 21, 2013 08:20

Fluo: May 25, 2007

hazza posted:

It's just 'Mayor of London' - Lord Mayor of London is someone else entirely!

Was copypaste from Daily Mail. :smith:

Guess thats what I get for copypasting it. :suicide:

# ? Jan 21, 2013 08:32

Crameltonian: Mar 27, 2010

Fluo posted:

Diana Express:

Almost certainly the most factual thing that will be printed in the Express today.

# ? Jan 21, 2013 12:05

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

Fluo posted:

Guardian:

Yay! It's the return of the apocalypse monsters! :glomp:

Still my favourite series of Bell. Here's hoping we have another final crisis showdown between an EU monster and the Terrible Snowman.

# ? Jan 21, 2013 12:15

Koesj: Aug 3, 2003

Junior G-man posted:

Still my favourite series of Bell.

That's Rowson

# ? Jan 21, 2013 13:10

Mr. Squishy: Mar 22, 2010; A country where you can always get richer.

Junior G-man posted:

Still my favourite series of Bell.

That's one of Rowson's :ssh:

I've not been posting Scarfe's cartoons because they're not that great. Let's see what this week brings us

Take away Obama and you've got an album cover right there.

# ? Jan 21, 2013 13:10

Fluo: May 25, 2007

Scarfe is so great at album covers. :swoon:

# ? Jan 21, 2013 13:33

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Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Mr. Squishy posted:

That's one of Rowson's
I've not been posting Scarfe's cartoons because they're not that great. Let's see what this week brings us

Take away Obama and you've got an album cover right there.

At first I thought this was about Obama's drone strikes, but no, there he is depicted as superman.

# ? Jan 21, 2013 13:56

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