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Black Knight should take off his helmet and reveal he's an Indian Woman just to mess everyone's expectations.
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Black Knight was in Ultimate Defenders, and hell, Ultimate Hellcat - also in Defenders - was basically Tigra. Vision was in three different books and even had her/its own miniseries. Has the Ultimate Comics continuum become so convoluted that they're just going to ignore these storylines?
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Jan 22, 2013 19:55
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Vision was a robot with boobs all you need is an impact wrench to fix that and the rest died in ultimatum. loving everybody died in ultimatum.
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Jan 22, 2013 20:30
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PiratedTVPro posted:Black Knight was in Ultimate Defenders, and hell, Ultimate Hellcat - also in Defenders - was basically Tigra. Vision was in three different books and even had her/its own miniseries. Has the Ultimate Comics continuum become so convoluted that they're just going to ignore these storylines? Apparently so considering there's a new Psylocke in UCXM too.
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Jan 22, 2013 22:22
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Dacap posted:Apparently so considering there's a new Psylocke in UCXM too. Her name is Betsy Braddock, too.
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Jan 22, 2013 22:50
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Here's what that crew looked like, sorta, a few years back: Didn't all these guys get killed?
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Jan 23, 2013 01:25
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Maybe they could try making completely new characters instead of doing tired alternate universe twists on the 616 versions?
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Jan 23, 2013 04:08
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Flater posted:Maybe they could try making completely new characters instead of doing tired alternate universe twists on the 616 versions? I think the blue-haired girl and the plant guy with the dreadlocks in UCXM are both new characters.
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Jan 23, 2013 04:16
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Mister Roboto posted:Here's what that crew looked like, sorta, a few years back: Valkyrie's the only dead one.
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Jan 23, 2013 04:33
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Flater posted:Maybe they could try making completely new characters instead of doing tired alternate universe twists on the 616 versions? Isn't alternate universe twists like, the whole point of the Ultimate line? (actually I know it is just to remove years and years of batshit continuity)
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Jan 23, 2013 06:31
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Flater posted:Maybe they could try making completely new characters instead of doing tired alternate universe twists on the 616 versions? You realize creating a new character for a company-owned universe is basically throwing away money for a creator, right?
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Jan 23, 2013 15:14
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Hellsau posted:Her name is Betsy Braddock, too. I just assumed this was still Betsy in Kwannon's body, but this I realized she was listed as the deceased in Ultimatum. I've picked up every Ultimate line book since its inception, but the handling of these characters is really bothering me.
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Jan 23, 2013 17:38
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PiratedTVPro posted:I just assumed this was still Betsy in Kwannon's body, but this I realized she was listed as the deceased in Ultimatum. I've picked up every Ultimate line book since its inception, but the handling of these characters is really bothering me. Apparently Brain Wood asked the Ultimate editors for a list of the characters he could use in his run. Psylocke was on that list, inexplicably. What do these editors do all day, anyway? Browse Facebook? Words with Friends?
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Jan 23, 2013 17:45
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thet0wer posted:Apparently Brain Wood asked the Ultimate editors for a list of the characters he could use in his run. Psylocke was on that list, inexplicably. Happy hour.
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Jan 23, 2013 17:47
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They pick fights with bloggers.
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Jan 23, 2013 18:43
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So we got a Gundam, a biker in a neck brace, an Abe Sapien inflatable love doll, possible ThunderCats copyright infringement, and All-New Ergonomic Wonder Man (now with "E-Z" access handles!)
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Jan 23, 2013 22:29
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PiratedTVPro posted:Black Knight was in Ultimate Defenders, and hell, Ultimate Hellcat - also in Defenders - was basically Tigra. Vision was in three different books and even had her/its own miniseries. Has the Ultimate Comics continuum become so convoluted that they're just going to ignore these storylines?
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Jan 23, 2013 23:22
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NorgLyle posted:Other than Miles does the Ultimate Univere have any unique characters? Even just characters who debuted in the Ultimate Universe before the 616 version of themselves? Or is it literally a case of 'why would we want to try to make new characters when we haven't introduced the Ultimate Zodiac yet?' Geoff Bendis also had that mother/daughter crime duo in UCSM pre-Peter death. notthegoatseguy fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Jan 23, 2013 |
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Jan 23, 2013 23:31
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Magician in Ultimate X-Men was an original character as well I think.
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Jan 23, 2013 23:34
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I must have missed something... there was a promo at the end of this weeks Ultimates (ha, yeah, I don't know why I'm reading it anymore) for Ultimate Wolverine? And it seemed to, based on the promo, feature Jimmy, but somehow reliving real-Wolverine's past or memories or something. Had both Wolverines on the cover.
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For no reason whatsoever Hawkeye starts wearing his Ultimates 3 Grifter outfit again in today's issue. The only explanation I can think of is that they were intending it to be a stealth outfit, which makes zero sense because a bright purple costume with a giant silver "H" on the chest is a hell of a lot more noticeable than his normal all black/red arrow suit. and did anyone else catch this?  
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Jan 24, 2013 00:52
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Replacing Falcon with Joe Biden would totally improve Utimates.
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Jan 24, 2013 01:13
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LCQC posted:Replacing Falcon with Joe Biden would totally improve Utimates. I thought they killed Joe Biden since he was the devil?
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Jan 24, 2013 14:10
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LCQC posted:Replacing Falcon with Joe Biden would totally improve Utimates. Also, the real world.
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Endless Mike posted:Also, the real world. Falcon's real???
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Jan 24, 2013 15:16
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Lurdiak posted:Falcon's real??? He should be.  (Actually, I was backward on what he said so ignore my previous post.)
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Jan 24, 2013 15:56
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bobkatt013 posted:I thought they killed Joe Biden since he was the devil? I like how that was hilariously forgotten despite, if it actually happened like it played out in the comics, the Ultimates COMPLETELY failed in their mission to protect the Vice. You'd think a good writer would've used that dangling thread for some major plot points. Also, President Generic vaguely tanned guy was nuked by Reed Richards. There's certainly a lot of failures under the belt of the Ultimate Universe superteams.
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Jan 24, 2013 18:43
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Mister Roboto posted:I like how that was hilariously forgotten despite, if it actually happened like it played out in the comics, the Ultimates COMPLETELY failed in their mission to protect the Vice. You'd think a good writer would've used that dangling thread for some major plot points. The Ultimates seem to lose more then they win, and if they do win there is huge collateral damage.
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Jan 24, 2013 18:48
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Mister Roboto posted:There's certainly a lot of failures under the belt of the Ultimate Universe superteams. Back in the day, that was the point - the Ultimates biggest threats were frequently each other or things they caused. The Chitauri are an exception, but even The Liberators were inspired to exist by the Ultimates getting involved in military excursions.
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Jan 24, 2013 18:50
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The whole issue felt like there was something off about it. It certainly didn't help when Hawkeye showed up in his godawful Ultimates 3 costume.
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Jan 24, 2013 22:04
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Dropping Ultimates solely because the loving Grifteye costume came back.
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Jan 25, 2013 00:00
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d00gZ posted:You realize creating a new character for a company-owned universe is basically throwing away money for a creator, right?
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Jan 25, 2013 02:55
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I thought the Devil was Cheney?
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^burtle posted:I thought the Devil was Cheney? No, the Ultimate universe tends to move in real-time (when it can) so Bush and Cheney were out by then.
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Jan 25, 2013 04:10
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Genetic Toaster posted:Dropping Ultimates solely because the loving Grifteye costume came back. If it ends up that was actually Hawkeye I'm dropping it as well. If not, which it seems like it might actually be, then I'll allow it.
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Jan 25, 2013 19:30
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Mister Roboto posted:No, the Ultimate universe tends to move in real-time (when it can) so Bush and Cheney were out by then. Actually only about a year and a half to two years has passed in Ultimate time. Spider-Man's career is the best indicator of it, due to Peter only aging about a year in his whole book before getting killed shortly after. With the time jump it might be closer to two, but that's the absolute maximum. Vice President who got killed wasn't Cheney or Biden, it was "generic white vice president man."
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Jan 25, 2013 23:52
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TheJoker138 posted:Actually only about a year and a half to two years has passed in Ultimate time. Spider-Man's career is the best indicator of it, due to Peter only aging about a year in his whole book before getting killed shortly after. With the time jump it might be closer to two, but that's the absolute maximum. Vice President who got killed wasn't Cheney or Biden, it was "generic white vice president man." That's mainly Bendis, though, who operated Ultimate Spiderman on its own timeline, regardless of the rest of the Ultimate line. Bush was definitely President at the start of the Ultimates' career, but the later prez who got reed-nuked was someone new.
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Mister Roboto posted:That's mainly Bendis, though, who operated Ultimate Spiderman on its own timeline, regardless of the rest of the Ultimate line. Bush was definitely President at the start of the Ultimates' career, but the later prez who got reed-nuked was someone new. That guy could have been brand new with Bush having only left office in that time jump between Ultimatum and everything picking back up.
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Mister Roboto posted:That's mainly Bendis, though, who operated Ultimate Spiderman on its own timeline, regardless of the rest of the Ultimate line. Bush was definitely President at the start of the Ultimates' career, but the later prez who got reed-nuked was someone new. I think everyone writing the Ultimates line at the time had a mindset similar to Bendis. That it would last one or two years and they'd be canned. So hey, why the gently caress not make Bush the blatant POTUS in the MU? That's why you see a lot of just random references to Marvel characters as if they're already established things in early Ultimates/FF/Xmen/Spider-Man and very well might later be introduced, even by the same writer, as characters under different circumstances. Hell, Bendis originally introduced Eddie Brock as an adult reporter
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I think we can all agree that: -Bush WAS the President at the start of the line. -Unspecified years have passed, each series seems to contradict the other, especially since Bendis appears to deliberately not care how much his "100 issues = one year of Peter's life" rule is messing with the rest of the line. The Ultimates make it clear at least 2 or more years have passed. -Sometime in that period, an election was held, Palin was mentioned as a candidate. Bush is definitely gone. -The New Pres was some shadowy vaguely tanned man. Maybe Obama, maybe not, he really didn't play much of a role other than to make some pretty aggressive policies towards containment of mutants and superheroes. -Vice-President was a man named Blackthorne, who was taken out and this was quietly forgotten. -But then the New Pres was reed-Nuked anyways, so that completely ends any "real life" links to the current President. -This means that the new President is totally a Ultimate universe creation, he's the former Director or Energy or whatever and he has a name and face. Thomas or something? Whichever, he's a generic white middle aged dude and now there's no risk of being seen as threatening the real world Prez anymore. -And then he got impeached or whatever for Cap. That's a lot of Presidential changes over ~4 years.
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