Sarion posted:

In fact, it would be even more lopsided today. Unless people managed to seize control of the technology (and materials) necessary to build fighter jets, bombs, and tanks. And was given a chance to then build those things AND train people to use them. I would hazard a guess that driving and maintaining a tank takes considerably more time to train and learn than what the average Confederate soldier was given to learn how to shoot.

vyelkin posted:

Hell, up here in Canada we have a roughly equivalent number of guns per capita as the US, and also have very strict restrictions on them. If you look at the Wikipedia page for it you can really get a sense of that. Just for a sample, here are the current restrictions on storage and transportation of firearms in Canada:


But then again, we're a bunch of crazy socialists up here so who cares what we do.

my crazy ex-marine nephew posted:

This is one dumb rear end lady. When did a piece of technology mimicking in appearance, a piece of military technology, ever hurt anyone? Where in the 2nd Amendment, does it say that all firearms that have military features can be banned? gently caress you feinstein.

Tharizdun posted:

Egypt.

Sarion posted:

In fact, it would be even more lopsided today. Unless people managed to seize control of the technology (and materials) necessary to build fighter jets, bombs, and tanks. And were given a chance to then build those things AND train people to use them. I would hazard a guess that driving and maintaining a tank takes considerably more time and training than what the average Confederate soldier was given to learn how to shoot.

Dr Christmas posted:

Is it wrong of me to want people to respond to "Going to be another 1776!" stuff with simply, "You're not gonna do it, you don't have the balls?"

I say other people because I have the sanest wall ever. One posting of that lady from Austria who talked about how Obama is making women equal JUST LIKE HITLER, a couple "likes" for Chick-fil-A, and one comment about Al Gore and Al Jazeera. That's every even slightly insane post I've ever seen.

Guy I Went To High School With posted:

shared Reclaim America's photo.

A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY TO THINK ABOUT.......December 29, 2012 marks the 122nd Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota. These 297 people, in their winter camp, were murdered by federal agents and members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children. About 40 members of the 7th Cavalry were killed, but over half of them were victims of fratricide from the Hotchkiss guns of their overzealous comrades-in-arms. Twenty members of the 7th Cavalry's death squad, were deemed “National Heroes” and were awarded the Medal of Honor for their acts of [cowardice] heroism.

We hear very little of Wounded Knee today. It is usually not mentioned in our history classes or books. What little that does exist about Wounded Knee is normally a sanitized “Official Government Explanation”. And there are several historically inaccurate depictions of the events leading up to the massacre, which appear in movie scripts and are not the least bit representative of the actual events that took place that day.

Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people.

Before you jump on the emotionally charged bandwagon for gun-control, take a moment to reflect on the real purpose of the Second Amendment, the right of the people to take up arms in defense of themselves, their families, and property in the face of invading armies or an oppressive government. The argument that the Second Amendment only applies to hunting and target shooting is asinine. When the United States Constitution was drafted, “hunting” was an everyday chore carried out by men and women to put meat on the table each night, and “target shooting” was an unheard of concept. Musket balls were a precious commodity and were certainly not wasted on “target shooting”. The Second Amendment was written by people who fled oppressive and tyrannical regimes in Europe, and it refers to the right of American citizens to be armed for defensive purposes, should such tyranny arise in the United States.

As time goes forward, the average citizen in the United States continually loses little chunks of personal freedom or “liberty”. Far too many times, unjust gun control bills were passed and signed into law under the guise of “for your safety” or “for protection”. The Patriot Act signed into law by G.W. Bush, was expanded and continues under Barack Obama. It is just one of many examples of American citizens being stripped of their rights and privacy for “safety”. Now, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is on the table, and will, most likely be attacked to facilitate the path for the removal of our firearms, all in the name of “our safety”.

Before any American citizen blindly accepts whatever new firearms legislation that is about to be doled out, they should stop and think about something for just one minute-
Evil does exist in our world. It always has and always will. Throughout history evil people have committed evil acts. In the Bible one of the first stories is that of Cain killing Abel. We can not legislate “evil” into extinction. Good people will abide by the law, and the criminal element will always find a way around it.

Evil exists all around us, but looking back at the historical record of the past 200 years, across the globe, where is “evil” and “malevolence” most often found? In the hands of those with the power, the governments. That greatest human tragedies on record and the largest loss of innocent human life can be attributed to governments. Who do the governments always target? “Scapegoats” and “enemies” within their own borders…but only after they have been disarmed to the point where they are no longer a threat. Ask any Native American, and they will tell you it was inferior technology and lack of arms that contributed to their demise. Ask any Armenian why it was so easy for the Turks to exterminate millions of them, and they will answer “We were disarmed before it happened”. Ask any Jew what Hitler’s first step prior to the mass murders of the Holocaust was- confiscation of firearms from the people.

Wounded Knee is the prime example of why the Second Amendment exists, and why we should vehemently resist any attempts to infringe on our Rights to Bear Arms. Without the Second Amendment we will be totally stripped of any ability to defend ourselves and our families.
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Natas Dog posted:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there wasn't anything saving those Sioux; especially considering they were being hunted like wild game by every frontiersman out there.

bobkatt013 posted:

I can not believe that they are using Wounded Knee since they would have been the ones supporting the massacure and saying that it did not go far enough.

Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

"Guns? Why, I tell you why we need guns. Know how we used to send the troops in to kill minorities we didn't like to build this here society that we prop ourselves up on? Yeah, I don't want the same thing to happen to me."

bobkatt013 posted:

I can not believe that they are using Wounded Knee since they would have been the ones supporting the massacure and saying that it did not go far enough.

Zeitgueist posted:

Not a forward, but it does bring some crazy

Zeitgueist posted:

Not a forward, but it does bring some crazy

Zeitgueist posted:

Not a forward, but it does bring some crazy

CommieGIR posted:

The one question I want to ask is: Where the hell did they learn their history? Because in no way does anything happening under Obama reflect what has happened during the Red Uprising during World War 1, or the rise of the Nazis, or Stalinism....

Zeitgueist posted:

Can't here you over all the Baa-ing, sheeple.

Captain Filth posted:

I have a question pertaining to the whole sheeple thing. When did this start? I have this feeling it is just one other thing Orwell wrote that then gets misused by dumb people. Or am I overthinking this?

ultimateforce posted:

I am trying to wade though the OBAMACARE Wikipedia article, but wouldn't US Senators get basically the same thing a private citizen does if they don't have private insurance or something like that?

NatasDog posted:

I don't remember seeing it, but has anyone else come up with a decent rebuttal to the whole Wounded Knee one that's been making the rounds lately?

ultimateforce posted:

I am trying to wade though the OBAMACARE Wikipedia article, but wouldn't US Senators get basically the same thing a private citizen does if they don't have private insurance or something like that?

Mo_Steel posted:

Do people not realize that the bill actually exists and you can look and see if what someone is saying to you is true, or is this one of those "area man passionate defender of what he thinks Constitution says" things where people just stick their head in the sand and pretend their version of reality is anywhere close to accurate?

Section 1312, Subsection (d)(3)(D):
MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN THE EXCHANGE.—
(i) REQUIREMENT — Notwithstanding any other
provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle,
the only health plans that the Federal Government
may make available to Members of Congress and
congressional staff with respect to their service as a
Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be
health plans that are—
(I) created under this Act (or an amendment
made by this Act); or
(II) offered through an Exchange established
under this Act (or an amendment made by this
Act).

I'm not finding much on what sort of coverage sitting President's receive, though former President's who serve two terms are able to enroll in the same plans as all Federal employees. This implementation timeline for PPACA is possibly the best thing ever though in terms of visually seeing what's coming when and how it applies, so maybe just link that back after explaining Congress isn't exempt from PPACA.

I did learn during my searches that they just reinstated lifetime Secret Service protection for former Presidents a few days ago.

Mo_Steel posted:

Basically if they decide not to go with the federal option they are just in the same exact place as everyone else, and if they do go with the federal option then they're explicitly included in Obamacare.

RADIOHEADISGOD posted:

Dirt posted:

My girlfriends brother posted the Sandy Hook video today on Facebook.

I look forward to going home and arguing with my girlfriend over this tonight.


It took me MONTHS to talk her our of believing in the Illumanti, because of her brother. The weird thing is, her brother is a really nice guy, but he loves this conspiracy poo poo. It drives me nuts.


Maybe I need a new girlfriend? ha

ultimateforce posted:

"Good info. But your right I don't support it fully, yet k agree something needs to be done . As well they will Amend the poo poo out of that to better themselves. I don't believe in any way they will have the same insurance as us. If u do, u have too much faith in our honest politicians and government."

So I guess there's that.