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Memento1979 posted:The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Sports Argument Stadium* > Punchsport Pagoda > WCW: They FedEx'd me a package with nothing in it I prefer, WCW: Uh, we'll figure that out later...
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Nash tells a story about his first match with Hogan. He started it off with a stiff headlock. WCW: "Easy brother, we already got their loving money."
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Jan 27, 2013 09:32
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Rad R. posted:Searching for this has lead me to a bunch of ancient Tripod pages, plus this match of Dale Torborg VS. The Maestro - this was completely blocked out of my memory. Did WCW seriously do a rip-off of Abe "Knuckleball" Schwartz? I wouldn't even think twice about it, but it's the facepaint and the MVP on his shirt that cements that.
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Jan 27, 2013 13:33
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A Dapper Man posted:Did WCW seriously do a rip-off of Abe "Knuckleball" Schwartz? I wouldn't even think twice about it, but it's the facepaint and the MVP on his shirt that cements that. I remember him being called MVP. Did WWE change this in post-production? Zack_Gochuck fucked around with this message at 13:54 on Jan 27, 2013 |
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Jan 27, 2013 13:52
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A Dapper Man posted:Did WCW seriously do a rip-off of Abe "Knuckleball" Schwartz? I wouldn't even think twice about it, but it's the facepaint and the MVP on his shirt that cements that. I don't think it was really a ripoff. Torberg played The Kiss Demon in WCW but was also an actual baseball player (I don't know at what level). I guess when The Demon ran its course, they combined the face paint of The Demon with the baseballiness of baseball and just had him use his real name. I remember him using his real name, but I don't remember his crappy face paint. ^ MVP and Knuckleball were the same guy (Steve Lombardi/Brooklyn Brawler), but MVP only appeared a few times and then disappeared. Knuckleball showed up about a year later.
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Jan 27, 2013 15:15
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Did dirtsheets point out that Russo was an idiot before he arrived in WCW and promptly revealed it to the world?
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Jan 27, 2013 23:28
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Did dirtsheets point out that Russo was an idiot before he arrived in WCW and promptly revealed it to the world? I remember people were excited for him since they believed that he could turn everything around. Then came his first month of shows.
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Jan 27, 2013 23:29
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Vic Venom was probably a pretty nice clue.
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Jan 27, 2013 23:42
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bobkatt013 posted:I remember people were excited for him since they believed that he could turn everything around. Then came his first month of shows. A lot of the WCW talent was simply happy to get some new voices in creative in hopes it would lead to new pushes. It didn't matter who it was. At one point, people were pushing for Jimmy Hart to be head Booker.
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Jan 27, 2013 23:46
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DeathChicken posted:Vic Venom was probably a pretty nice clue. Yes but everyone was giving him credit for turning WWF around. People fell for it hook line and sinker.
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Jan 27, 2013 23:47
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Phenix Rising posted:I don't think it was really a ripoff. Torberg played The Kiss Demon in WCW but was also an actual baseball player (I don't know at what level). I guess when The Demon ran its course, they combined the face paint of The Demon with the baseballiness of baseball and just had him use his real name. I remember him using his real name, but I don't remember his crappy face paint. Torberg was definitely "The MVP" at one point in WCW with that getup. Wikipedia says it was in 1998, but I always thought it was early 1999, with him turning int The Demon in summer 1999.
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Jan 27, 2013 23:50
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Zack_Gochuck posted:Torberg was definitely "The MVP" at one point in WCW with that getup. Wikipedia says it was in 1998, but I always thought it was early 1999, with him turning int The Demon in summer 1999. He was also the WCW Pit Crew. Dale had a ton of bad gimmicks.
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Jan 27, 2013 23:52
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MassRayPer posted:He was also the WCW Pit Crew. Dale had a ton of bad gimmicks. All these bad gimmicks are reminding me of WCW Saturday Night in the later years. God that show had some ridiculous gimmicks.
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Jan 27, 2013 23:54
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bobkatt013 posted:All these bad gimmicks are reminding me of WCW Saturday Night in the later years. God that show had some ridiculous gimmicks. I thought Roadblock had a lot of potential.
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Jan 27, 2013 23:54
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Phenix Rising posted:I don't think it was really a ripoff. Torberg played The Kiss Demon in WCW but was also an actual baseball player (I don't know at what level). I guess when The Demon ran its course, they combined the face paint of The Demon with the baseballiness of baseball and just had him use his real name. I remember him using his real name, but I don't remember his crappy face paint. I think Torborg was a college player with potential to be in the majors until an injury ended his career. After WCW folded he went back to baseball as a coach and has been a part of a couple of World Series winning teams. His dad is also a pretty famous player, manager, and broadcaster. They're actually kind of notable names for hardcore baseball fans. So yeah, I don't think it makes sense to call that a ripoff. It was just some weird thing based on his past Demon gimmick and his real baseball connections.
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Jan 27, 2013 23:58
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Only thing I remember about Torborg is his HORRIBLE match with Kendall Windham on Nitro. I believe it ended after Torborg legit hosed his knee up.
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Jan 28, 2013 00:31
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STAC Goat posted:I think Torborg was a college player with potential to be in the majors until an injury ended his career. After WCW folded he went back to baseball as a coach and has been a part of a couple of World Series winning teams. His dad is also a pretty famous player, manager, and broadcaster. They're actually kind of notable names for hardcore baseball fans. He had a couple of seasons in A ball for the Mets and that was it after college.
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Jan 28, 2013 00:51
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An Actual Bear posted:Only thing I remember about Torborg is his HORRIBLE match with Kendall Windham on Nitro. I believe it ended after Torborg legit hosed his knee up.
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Jan 28, 2013 00:59
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Did dirtsheets point out that Russo was an idiot before he arrived in WCW and promptly revealed it to the world? I read sites like Rajah back then, but he had a pretty good reputation on the sites that I checked out back then and I even remember a few articles forecasting doom for the WWF with their main creative force gone to the competition.
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Jan 28, 2013 01:01
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STAC Goat posted:They're definitely similar but I think there's plenty enough differences that they're not the same thing. The basics are the same but a lot of the edges and ends are clearly different so I imagine that's enough to make them different. It's probably not hard to imagine that they were coming up with the logo and saw the Superman thing and said "like that". My guess is that it was designed by the same guy, otherwise it's a ripoff within Time Warner. And they're not bad logos IMO.
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Jan 28, 2013 16:14
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New back issue from December 1995 is out and I loved this story -Wrestling Observer posted:The show opened with one of the weirdest interviews probably in wrestling history. Hulk Hogan, Sting and Savage came out. First Hogan dumped his black wrestling attire in a burning garbage can. He then went off on a tangent about "rag sheets" which is a term those in the business unfamiliar with how the real world operates refer to newsletters such as this (as if this newsletter should be put in a grouping with anything else). Hogan threw a tantrum about a report that said The Giant was going to win the Battle Royal (which couldn't have even come from here because the last thing we wrote on the subject was that Sting or Savage were the best bets to win) and how they were wrong, which pretty well tipped everyone off that the Giant wasn't going to win. He also said it was reported Savage wouldn't be in the show because of an arm injury (it had been known for weeks here that Savage was going to eschew surgery and work the Battle Royal). He then said that the Savage arm injury was a total swerve on everyone including the wrestlers in the dressing room and that Savage's arm was fine (Savage had legitimately torn his tricep and his left arm was barely half the size of the right). Even weirder was even if the injury wasn't real, the major storyline of the show is that Savage had an arm injury and the announcers never acknowledged Hogan's saying Savage's arm was fine. He then threw the "rag sheet" in the same burning garbage can saying "Observe this," and said that it was a dinosaur and that the internet is the real story. I suspect as his popularity and drawing power continues to drop he'll get even more bitter. Since it appeared to be directed at me, I took it as a tremendous compliment.
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Jan 30, 2013 17:27
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loving glorious. I also appreciate the irony of Hogan calling ANYTHING ELSE ON EARTH a dinosaur.
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Jan 30, 2013 17:29
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:New back issue from December 1995 is out and I loved this story - I read this this morning and it loving made my day.
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Jan 30, 2013 18:37
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I wonder if, at least in retrospect, Hogan realizes that he basically legitimized Dave if anything. I'm sure to that point only subscribers and people in the business were aware of Dave. Not only that, Hogan exposed the business, and to top it off, I'll bet money Dave had already been on the internet for a while at that point. If some mid-carder had tried to pull this stunt, he'd be blackballed.
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Jan 30, 2013 20:18
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I wonder if, at least in retrospect, Hogan realizes that he basically legitimized Dave if anything. I'm sure to that point only subscribers and people in the business were aware of Dave. Not only that, Hogan exposed the business, and to top it off, I'll bet money Dave had already been on the internet for a while at that point. I am 99% sure Dave was not on the internet in 95. He has some luddite tendencies.
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Jan 30, 2013 20:21
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The funniest thing about Hogan burning the Observer issue was the fire getting out of control and Sting helping to stop it throughout the segment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1As4UVCkkKk Sting's so nice. 
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Jan 30, 2013 20:30
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Dave didn't really develop an online presence until Observer Live, which was 1999. Well, not Dave himself at least, most of the post-RSPW names like Mike Samuda and Al Isaacs were just calling Dave's hotline and regurgitating it. eYada basically paid Dave and Bryan enough to do the hotline stuff for free and that's how the Observer online experience started. I don't even think Dave had e-mail until then, up until basically the merger he was using his father's Juno account. oldfan fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Jan 30, 2013 |
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Jan 30, 2013 20:41
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Sting's statement that the end of the black wrestling garb for ol' Hulkster was permanent is kind of funny in retrospect.
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Jan 30, 2013 22:54
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quote:as if this newsletter should be put in a grouping with anything else
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Jan 30, 2013 22:59
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I will never not laugh at "THE INTERNET'S GOT THE SCOOPS!"
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Jan 30, 2013 23:02
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jeffersonlives posted:Dave didn't really develop an online presence until Observer Live, which was 1999. Well, not Dave himself at least, most of the post-RSPW names like Mike Samuda and Al Isaacs were just calling Dave's hotline and regurgitating it. I believe eyada had to hook him up to the internet themselves.
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Jan 30, 2013 23:07
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While we are talking about Dave being a luddite, does he still get faxes all the time?
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Jan 31, 2013 16:29
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triplexpac posted:While we are talking about Dave being a luddite, does he still get faxes all the time? From Japan at least, which prompted Bryan to go on a rant about his Japanese faxes a month or so ago. To be fair, I believe faxes are still commonplace over there.
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Jan 31, 2013 16:50
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triplexpac posted:While we are talking about Dave being a luddite, does he still get faxes all the time? Not sure, but Bryan told a story about Dave printing out emails he receives and I just don't understand why.
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Jan 31, 2013 18:14
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Not only does Dave still have a fax but he also has an old-fashioned answering machine on his landline.
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Jan 31, 2013 18:17
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I wonder if, at least in retrospect, Hogan realizes that he basically legitimized Dave if anything. I'm sure to that point only subscribers and people in the business were aware of Dave. Not only that, Hogan exposed the business, and to top it off, I'll bet money Dave had already been on the internet for a while at that point. I thought this legitimized Dave in 1990: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxzAsNlyzS0
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Jan 31, 2013 18:23
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EugeneJ posted:I thought this legitimized Dave in 1990: Right year, wrong thing. Getting hired by Frank Deford as a featured writer in The National was what legitimized Dave outside of insider wrestling circles. The National was a spectacular failure as a business, but it pushed Dave as one of America's best sportswriters and the Observer as a publication on par with the top newspapers.
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Jan 31, 2013 18:41
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SamuraiFoochs posted:I will never not laugh at "THE INTERNET'S GOT THE SCOOPS!" I still throw this around in casual conversation with a few friends. That part makes me lose it entirely. I am honored to have been there in person for this.
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Jan 31, 2013 19:09
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jeffersonlives posted:it pushed Dave as one of America's best sportswriters Well there's an embarrassing combination of words.
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Jan 31, 2013 19:15
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I wonder if Meltzer was ever in the same room as Jay Mariotti and Mike Lupica. That would be a horrifying conversation to be subjected to.
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Jan 31, 2013 19:19
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