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Lord Tywin posted:That really annoyed me about 2012, that Oliver Platt was somehow evil because he didn't want to take on more people than they could feed. If Africa miraculously hadn't survived all of humanity would have been hosed. Except... why let the rich people onto the ships? Why not get sell the rich people their tickets, build the ships, fill the ships with people chosen for their genetic and cultural blahty blah, and on the big day just... not let the rich-but-otherwise-useless people on the boats? The idea that you could sell rich people something and then just not give it to them was apparently just to revolutionary for Hollywood.
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BAKA FLOCKA FLAME posted:Here it is from the film: Well, Rowling did write the word "basilisk" and some description about it not having legs. Every D&D player out there cringe and grasped the book so hard, their knuckles turned white.
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Celery Face posted:Similar to that Taken thing, how come no one in 2012 even acknowledges Tamara's death? She saved the little girl and her dog and drowns while screaming for help. How come the place she was in was filling up with water while the two other containers by her weren't. Gordon dies a horrible death too but no one really cares either. The thing that bugged me the most about that movie was how the bad guy was a total rear end in a top hat but actually made sense so it was impossible to care about anyone. The Gordon stuff was super annoying since he only died to clear the board so John Cusack could get back together with his wife.
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One thing that really bugs me in Cyberbully is when the main character's friend says that he knows how she feels because his classmates call him homophobic slurs and her response is to roll her eyes and say, "Yeah but you really are gay so why does it matter?" E: Oh and at the end of the movie, a law is passed to monitor every computer and make name calling on the internet illegal. Celery Face has a new favorite as of 21:41 on Jan 28, 2013 |
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muscles like this? posted:The Gordon stuff was super annoying since he only died to clear the board so John Cusack could get back together with his wife. I loving hate this in films. The worst one was Liar Liar, which i otherwise really like, but it came out shortly after my parents divorced and pretty much put over the message "Hey, sad kid, your parents will totally get back together if you just wish hard enough." I think most divorces are probably for the best (my parents certainly was), and it irritates the poo poo out of me that anytime it comes up in a hollywood film the parents always end up getting back together, happier than ever, all of their massive problems apparently completely solved by whateverthefuck happened in the last ninety minutes. 2012 was particularly annoying because the step-dad was not some evil abusive/arrogant/unlikable douche, but actually a pretty nice guy who cared about the kids and his new family to the point of sacrificing his loving life for them. But no, ten seconds after that, the mom just forgets all the legitimate issues she had with her ex and forgets the fact that she met and fell in love with a completely new person, and they end up back together again for literally no reason. Hollywood is apparently seriously invested in the whole "stay together for the kids" thing.
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Except the part where he was the only reason they survived at all since he was the only one who could fly a plane.
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While I hate the whole "Why didn't the eagles just take the ring?" argument regarding The Lord of the Rings there is one point in The Two Towers that does bother me. Wormtongue is talking to Saruman about the amount of troops needed to take Helm's Deep. As Saruman responds with "Tens of thousands!" he goes onto the balcony, exposing the Uruk Hai army. Wormtongue is surprised that Saruman has raised this many forces this quickly. But Wormtongue doesn't just teleport to Isengard. He would have to ignore half the grounds on the approach to the tower to not see that there were a fuckton of troops and a giant flaming pit.
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2012 pissed me off because they happily showed St. Peter's Cathedral squishing Catholics and the Christ Redeemer statue shattering, but they chickened out from destroying Mecca. So I actually haven't seen it, despite liking big dumb disaster movies.
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Razorwired posted:While I hate the whole "Why didn't the eagles just take the ring?" argument regarding The Lord of the Rings there is one point in The Two Towers that does bother me. I disremember the film, but was Wormtongue not depicted as a kind of a toadying, obsequious character? He could have been expressing surprise and admiration so Saruman didn't actually realise he was, like, the second most powerful wizard in the lands and didn't need him at all, save for an exposition dump? In fact, it's a bit surprising Saruman wasn't a bit more proactive looking for the ring himself. At least Sauron couldn't actually leave Mordor. Probably.
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Fixed Expression posted:I loving hate this in films. The worst one was Liar Liar, which i otherwise really like, but it came out shortly after my parents divorced and pretty much put over the message "Hey, sad kid, your parents will totally get back together if you just wish hard enough." I know Mrs. Doubtfire (surprisingly) avoided this, but I struggle to think of any other examples. Superman Returns had a variation on the "Get back together for the kid(s)" plot, and I still don't understand what they were going for. He abandoned Lois for 5 years, she had his kid and moved on, and met James Marsden's character who is a wonderful guy and a far more invested father. The plot doesn't make it clear whether we're supposed to root for Superman and Lois to get back together, or for Supes to accept that he hasn't and can't give his ex and son the love that Marsden's character can.
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Jonathan Yeah! posted:I disremember the film, but was Wormtongue not depicted as a kind of a toadying, obsequious character? He could have been expressing surprise and admiration so Saruman didn't actually realise he was, like, the second most powerful wizard in the lands and didn't need him at all, save for an exposition dump? I happen to catch a bit of LOTR on tv the other day and the part where Saruman makes the Uruk Hai, he stresses that the hobbits are to be brought straight to him because they carry something 'of great value'. He even stops and says again 'I want them alive and unspoiled.' He wanted that there ring and sent a battalion of super orcs to get it for him. Also I was annoyed at that army reveal too.
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I just tell myself that they were all underground in those caves when Wormtongue got there. Wormsie had news, so Saruman was like "call out the army!"
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Dopefish Lives! posted:I know Mrs. Doubtfire (surprisingly) avoided this, but I struggle to think of any other examples. Superman Returns had a variation on the "Get back together for the kid(s)" plot, and I still don't understand what they were going for. He abandoned Lois for 5 years, she had his kid and moved on, and met James Marsden's character who is a wonderful guy and a far more invested father. The plot doesn't make it clear whether we're supposed to root for Superman and Lois to get back together, or for Supes to accept that he hasn't and can't give his ex and son the love that Marsden's character can. The son becomes the father... and all that. Thee scene in the bedroom at the end is to tell you that in a way Superman's relationship with the kid is going to be somewhat like Supe's relationship to Jor-El. Another man is going to raise his son. But it's a good man, and Superman will be there to guide his son when the boy will decide how to use his powers. But he's not going to be the guy that goes to baseball games, graduation or birthdays. The price of finding Krypton was having a relationship with his son. And Superman is acknowledging that in the bedroom speech.
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Razorwired posted:The son becomes the father... and all that. Thee scene in the bedroom at the end is to tell you that in a way Superman's relationship with the kid is going to be somewhat like Supe's relationship to Jor-El. Another man is going to raise his son. But it's a good man, and Superman will be there to guide his son when the boy will decide how to use his powers. But he's not going to be the guy that goes to baseball games, graduation or birthdays. The price of finding Krypton was having a relationship with his son. And Superman is acknowledging that in the bedroom speech. What irritated me about Superman Returns, other than the pretty crappy story and them using Lex Luthor AGAIN, was that they wasted Brandon Routh and his awesome Clark Kent on that terrible movie.
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Pope Mobile posted:I just tell myself that they were all underground in those caves when Wormtongue got there. Wormsie had news, so Saruman was like "call out the army!" Yeah, there's a brief scene in The Two Towers (can't remember if it's the official movie or the super special 50 hour long director's cut) that shows Wormtongue riding up to Isengard with no one else around. So if the uruk hai assembled in a couple hours or so, it would have been a huge shock to him to step outside and see a massive army. Or it could have been a week and he just never went outside. He's kind of a basement-dweller anyway.
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Star Trek: TNG says everyone on the Enterprise is the best and brightest the Federation has to offer. But Reginald loving Barclay is a bumbling Aspergers-ridden hypochondriac who Kramers his way through every scene annoying the poo poo out of both the audience and tv show members but he's somehow part of the elite. He is easily the most unrealistic aspect of all Star Treks. e: Barclay! 
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oldpainless posted:Star Trek: TNG says everyone on the Enterprise is the best and brightest the Federation has to offer. But Reginald loving Barclay is a bumbling Aspergers-ridden hypochondriac who Kramers his way through every scene annoying the poo poo out of both the audience and tv show members but he's somehow part of the elite. He is easily the most unrealistic aspect of all Star Treks. Yeah, Barclay is pretty bad but what is even more jarring is the fact the Enterprise has CHILDREN and civilians on it. LIke, Mr. Redshirt has Mrs. Redshirt and Redshirt Jr. onboard, so they can die horribly together! Yay! 
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Razorwired posted:The son becomes the father... and all that. Thee scene in the bedroom at the end is to tell you that in a way Superman's relationship with the kid is going to be somewhat like Supe's relationship to Jor-El. Another man is going to raise his son. But it's a good man, and Superman will be there to guide his son when the boy will decide how to use his powers. But he's not going to be the guy that goes to baseball games, graduation or birthdays. The price of finding Krypton was having a relationship with his son. And Superman is acknowledging that in the bedroom speech. Ah, thank you! I haven't seen the movie in years (seeing as I hated it) so I'd forgotten the bedroom scene. That plotline finally makes a little more sense to me. And yeah, Brandon Routh deserved better.
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Glasgow Kiss posted:Yeah, Barclay is pretty bad but what is even more jarring is the fact the Enterprise has CHILDREN and civilians on it. LIke, Mr. Redshirt has Mrs. Redshirt and Redshirt Jr. onboard, so they can die horribly together! Yay! The Enterprise has a dolphin tank. http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Cetacean
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oldpainless posted:Star Trek: TNG says everyone on the Enterprise is the best and brightest the Federation has to offer. But Reginald loving Barclay is a bumbling Aspergers-ridden hypochondriac who Kramers his way through every scene annoying the poo poo out of both the audience and tv show members but he's somehow part of the elite. He is easily the most unrealistic aspect of all Star Treks. I thought he was a genius in engineering?
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bobkatt013 posted:I thought he was a genius in engineering? Barclay is actually very astute and intelligent. He saves the Enterprise on two seperate occasions. He just needed to adjust socially to a climate as unique as a city floating into infinity. Hollow Pursuits is an incredible episode and probably the most realistic Star Trek thing in so far as social interaction and introverted personalities. Barclay is also the only crew member Spot likes besides Data. So if you have a problem with Barclay, you can go right back up Satans anus. Supreme Allah has a new favorite as of 08:27 on Jan 29, 2013 |
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Supreme Allah posted:Barclay is actually very astute and intelligent. He saves the Enterprise on two seperate occasions. He just needed to adjust socially to a climate as unique as a city floating into infinity. Too bad the actor is a huge crazy rear end in a top hat.
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bobkatt013 posted:Too bad the actor is a huge crazy rear end in a top hat. Most of my favorite people are.
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oldpainless posted:Star Trek: TNG says everyone on the Enterprise is the best and brightest the Federation has to offer. But Reginald loving Barclay is a bumbling Aspergers-ridden hypochondriac who Kramers his way through every scene annoying the poo poo out of both the audience and tv show members but he's somehow part of the elite. He is easily the most unrealistic aspect of all Star Treks. I liked Barclay
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Sagebrush posted:The Enterprise has a dolphin tank. quote:The Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual gives further information about the cetaceans aboard Galaxy-class starships, stating they (a mixed group of Bottlenose dolphins and Takaya's whales) are actually crewmembers and form a guidance and navigation consultation team. These cetaceans are elite specialists in navigation, and Starfleet consults them on suggested system upgrades. The USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D Blueprints also show several large cetacean tanks within the saucer section. Although the above reference to dolphins in "The Perfect Mate" was written at the request of the manual's co-author Rick Sternbach, it was never revealed in an episode whether or not the cetaceans are crewmembers as stated here. I'm not sure if this a cheeky nod to Hitchiker's Guide or not. I sure hope it is. You know, Star Trek is rife with this weird or nonsensical poo poo. Even with all that said, I still love catching episodes of TNG or DS9 on netflix. Often a great way to ride out insomnia or a flu. Also, Barclay was pretty much a goon in space. Looking at it like that, I can kinda feel a lot of us would be like him; you know, if we were stuck on some spaceship lightyears away from home, wearing space pajamas with a bunch of smart people and aliens. I'd be pretty nervous too.
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Glasgow Kiss posted:Yeah, Barclay is pretty bad but what is even more jarring is the fact the Enterprise has CHILDREN and civilians on it. LIke, Mr. Redshirt has Mrs. Redshirt and Redshirt Jr. onboard, so they can die horribly together! Yay! The root of the issue is Starfleet. Basically if you want to do anything to serve the Federation or humanity, no matter what it is, you join Starfleet. They're the scientists, the diplomats, the army, the emergency services, the explorers, everything, and they don't have specialised ships for any of those functions, every ship does everything. That's great for the TV show because it allows one episode to be about transporting some vital person or thing, the next to be about some amazing new discovery and then the following to be about fighting some bad guys. It's absolutely crazy in in-show terms though, because the Federation's greatest warship is often way off in the middle of nowhere exploring deep space, and when it is involved in combat there are all these scientists, stellar cartographers, children and dolphins involved completely unnecessarily in a battle. And even in less dramatic examples it's still crazy. What are the stellar cartographers doing while the enterprise is holding a diplomatic summit? Do they just sit around waiting for a mission that actually makes use of their skills? How do the scientists deal with being dragged back and forth across the galaxy at random in the middle of their research? And with all those people on board, how come it's always the same dozen people that do everything interesting or important? Are the rest of the crew even necessary?
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Tiggum posted:The root of the issue is Starfleet. Basically if you want to do anything to serve the Federation or humanity, no matter what it is, you join Starfleet. They're the scientists, the diplomats, the army, the emergency services, the explorers, everything, and they don't have specialised ships for any of those functions, every ship does everything. My favourite example of this is in TNG S01E12: The Big Goodbye, when Picard calls upon the ships 20th Century Literary Historian to join him on the holodeck as he recreated a pulp detective novel. Dude had to sit on his rear end off camera in a room somewhere for the next 170 episodes because there is no other circumstance where you would need a 20th Century Literary Historian.
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Supreme Allah posted:I happen to catch a bit of LOTR on tv the other day and the part where Saruman makes the Uruk Hai, he stresses that the hobbits are to be brought straight to him because they carry something 'of great value'. He even stops and says again 'I want them alive and unspoiled.' Yeah, well, there's telling a bunch of dumbshit orcs who are literally made of mud to do something, and summoning a magical dragon and flying around the landscape using a hobbit-locator spell yourself. In fact, all the wizards in LotR are crap. What spells do they even cast? I think Gandalf makes magical fire, like, once and Saruman throws Gandalf around a bit. Gandalf even loses a battle of wits with a door. But that's it. Where's the chain lightning? Where are the fire-storms? The fill-the-loving-sky-with-crows? If Dick Dastardly can mount a volcano on a plane, at least one of them could summon a real volcano out of the loving earth. Y'know, where volcanoes live. But what do we get? Elrond casting "slight loving trickle"* and Gandalf making the water a bit horse-like. Jesus, even Guinness can do that. LotR wizards - quite a lot less competent than Dick Dastardly. e: *: That might have been Liv Tyler, thinking about it. e2: And Galadrial! Hey, you can literally capture starlight in a bottle. Well, good for you, why not harness the power of a loving star to kill your enemies? Hmmm? You could literally destroy Mordor and everything in with that, and it would take you less than a second. In fact, why bother throwing the ring into a volcano, when you could focus the unimaginable power of a star on it? And hey, you have a long a difficult journey ahead of you, Sam, why don't you take this box with some earth in it? Wizards: Cause all of Middle-Earth's problems, and then do loving nothing about it. Wankers. tight aspirations has a new favorite as of 13:55 on Jan 29, 2013 |
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Well he does kill the Balrog. That's something at least. e: And pull Theoden out of Saruman's spell, I guess. vv  That pun physically hurt me. hyperhazard has a new favorite as of 14:12 on Jan 29, 2013 |
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hyperhazard posted:Well he does kill the Balrog. That's something at least. "Huh, a really big monster. Maybe I should just run away, so that I can then help the fellowship when they inevitably gently caress up and try and kill each other for nebulous reasons. No, I'll just piss around and get all muddy, and then maybe get resurrected or something and then get captured by an even more inept wizard and then have to be rescued again so I can be the supreme wizard except then I'll be even more useless afterwards" Gandalf the White? Gandalf the Shite more like.  hyperhazard posted:e: And pull Theoden out of Saruman's spell, I guess. But even if he does that, the ring still needs to get destroyed or they're all hosed anyway. So why isn't he helping those inept moron hobbits and that other inept moron ex-hobbit do that? tight aspirations has a new favorite as of 14:10 on Jan 29, 2013 |
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Imagine declaring war on the US. You've got spies everywhere, traitors all over the place, and a giant flaming eye watching out for you. The invasion is going all swimmingly, you're about to swoop down and take Seattle. You see the US navy there, all ready to face you. But what's this? Where are all their aircraft carriers? Do you A) Continue the invasion as planned, or, B) freak the gently caress out and search every inch of water to figure out what sneaky tricks they're up to? Gandalf is kind of a big deal. If he weren't riding round raising armies and doing wizardy-things Sauron would notice and get VERY suspicious.
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I kind of like the way Tolkien handled powerful magicial people. Any good story would be wrecked by how easily a powerful magical person could handle mundane issues. So Tolkien insinuated that magic doesn't work the way we think it should (that it's hard to control and slow working, and that there are significant (but ambiguous) consequences for using it, amongst other things), and then never, ever, fleshes out what can or cannot be done with magic. We're left with the impression that Gandolf is indeed powerful, but we don't find ourselves asking "Why didn't he just [insert obvious spell to save the day]?" So he can summon Shadowfax, which is clearly a magical ability (Shadowfax might also be magical), but we have no basis to criticize why he doesn't call Killatron, the magical Warbeast. Maybe Killatron doesn't exist, or is evil, or maybe calling Killatron might cause some unnamed but horrible problem for Gandolf in the future. It allows our imagination to fill in reasons for "why not use magic here?" based on a fairly consistent system where 1) magic exists, 2) magic is powerful, and 3) there are significant hurdles to using magic. The hurdles aren't explained, so they can be literally anything our imagination makes them out to be. My imagination basically formed that chain lightning and fireballs don't exist, and instead we get a series of magical empowerments, wards, and divinations. Evil people used magic for more powerful things, like making the rings, but it warped them both physically and mentally. So Gandolf could have done more, but would have turned evil or something. edit: Much better than the way Harry Potter handled magic, in which we just have to assume that Harry is incompetent and hardly learns anything in school, while thousands of magical people use magic constantly to perform both mundane and amazing feats. There's practically no limit on what people in that world can do, and yet they somehow don't end up using the magic that would solve the issue immediately. In the end, Rowling ends up using a Tolkien trick anyway, to describe how Harry survived Voldemort's attack. "Love" became a powerful magic that worked in a way that Voldemort could not understand and is never explored for the reader. The Duke of Ben has a new favorite as of 15:55 on Jan 29, 2013 |
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Prior to modern fantasy, "Wooo magic is strange and undefinable and is usually very difficult and basically a deus ex machina excuse" was the standard. It's only really since the 70s that "Magic is LIGHTNING SHOOTING OUT OF YOUR rear end AND EYEBALLS gently caress YEAH!" has been seen as the norm.
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The Duke of Ben posted:I kind of like the way Tolkien handled powerful magicial people. Any good story would be wrecked by how easily a powerful magical person could handle mundane issues. I kind of understand where you're coming from, but Saruman's abiogenesis of the Orks is pretty much on a par with, I dunno, really flashy apocalyptic spells, but it seems really understated, where you'd think more characters would be "HOLY loving poo poo he's literally just made a huge and powerful army out of nothing HOW ARE WE GOING TO FIGHT THIS oh wait a bunch of trees just killed them nevermind". Also, given the ~necromancer~ foreshadowing from the Hobbit, you'd think Sauron would have a bunch of skeletons or whatever. But no, more orks. Zzzzzzzzz.
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I don't like how it takes maths genius Leaven in Cube three whole seconds to determine whether a number ending in five is prime. Then in the next scene the same thing with an even number. gently caress YOU. edit: it is also logically impossible to deduce the dynamic position of cubes in a maze from static information, idiot scriptwriter
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Tiggum posted:The root of the issue is Starfleet. Basically if you want to do anything to serve the Federation or humanity, no matter what it is, you join Starfleet. They're the scientists, the diplomats, the army, the emergency services, the explorers, everything, and they don't have specialised ships for any of those functions, every ship does everything. I thought it was just the Enterprise that was set up that way. Like just it is supposed to be a full function vessel to explore new frontiers, interact with new cultures, and defend frontier colonies if necessary while the rest of Starfleet is more single purpose. DS9 at least had a good reason for so many random people to be everywhere, but then again DS9 is the best Star Trek.
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The Duke of Ben posted:Much better than the way Harry Potter handled magic, in which we just have to assume that Harry is incompetent and hardly learns anything in school, while thousands of magical people use magic constantly to perform both mundane and amazing feats. There's practically no limit on what people in that world can do, and yet they somehow don't end up using the magic that would solve the issue immediately. In the end, Rowling ends up using a Tolkien trick anyway, to describe how Harry survived Voldemort's attack. "Love" became a powerful magic that worked in a way that Voldemort could not understand and is never explored for the reader. Pretty sure that the love saving him explanation was just bullshit Dumbledore made up because he wasn't telling Harry anything about Horcruxes at that stage. Harry survived because Voldemort had split his soul up so many times that it was just fragmenting on its own and a bit got thrown into Harry when Voldemort tried to kill him. I could be wrong, it's been quite a while since I read it.
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Tiggum posted:Pretty sure that the love saving him explanation was just bullshit Dumbledore made up because he wasn't telling Harry anything about Horcruxes at that stage. Harry survived because Voldemort had split his soul up so many times that it was just fragmenting on its own and a bit got thrown into Harry when Voldemort tried to kill him. I could be wrong, it's been quite a while since I read it. I haven't re-read it, but I'm pretty sure the last book confirms what Dumbledore said.
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Splicer posted:Prior to modern fantasy, "Wooo magic is strange and undefinable and is usually very difficult and basically a deus ex machina excuse" was the standard. It's only really since the 70s that "Magic is LIGHTNING SHOOTING OUT OF YOUR rear end AND EYEBALLS gently caress YEAH!" has been seen as the norm. Pretty much this. It's an artifact of D&D developing out of unit-level wargames and wizards picking up the "artillery" role to go with the fighter's "infantry." Sort of how the backwards Armor Class system was lifted from a naval wargame. Then it just became influential enough that all sorts of other fantasy picked up its ideas. Not that wizards throwing lightning bolts and teleporting around and other flashy stuff isn't cool and all, just it's not the long-standing genre constant many imagine.
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