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Namarrgon posted:For the vast majority of human existence slavery was accepted. Does not mean we consider it the right thing to do now. I mean, just for a moment, really try to consider what you just did and truly justify it. Imagine yourself approaching someone who has actually been victimized by oppressive racism and the enslavement of their entire race and saying to them, "Ah, friend, I know what you're going through. I knew an adult man on the internet once whose parents wouldn't let him consume naughty media in their home. Truly, these are dark times."
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But a lot of us did post some good advice. The sad truth is, almost no place teaches you how to find a job, network or whatever. Recently, my campus has offered a course in General studies on job hunting, meeting corporate reps, etc. Half the kids I bumped into didn't even KNOW we had Career Services, job fairs or whatever. And yes, a lot of them do help Alumni and have job postings specifically for people with degrees. I also know that English is more than creative writing. Is tech writing dry? Yup, but it pays decently. Even Microsoft needs tech writers. No one really tells kids to clean up their social media, set up a linked in, etc. It's an area we're severely lacking in educating folks in. I mostly know because I'm bound and determined to claw my way out of call center jobs like a badger in a ball pit so I want every advantage I can possibly get. I even scored a full interview suit at Ross for 40 bucks (Jacket, slacks, shirt).
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Aerofallosov posted:But a lot of us did post some good advice. The sad truth is, almost no place teaches you how to find a job, network or whatever. Recently, my campus has offered a course in General studies on job hunting, meeting corporate reps, etc. Half the kids I bumped into didn't even KNOW we had Career Services, job fairs or whatever. And yes, a lot of them do help Alumni and have job postings specifically for people with degrees. I also know that English is more than creative writing. Is tech writing dry? Yup, but it pays decently. Even Microsoft needs tech writers. How did they not know you had a career services, job fairs, or whatever? Did they not attend orientation? Did they not read any university pamphlets or do any research during the application process? How is that anyone's fault but that person's? The idea of a university without a career services department is mind boggling. If you can't figure this out on your own, it's no wonder nobody would want to hire you. Businesses are hurting and the last thing they need is to pay someone money to have their hand held. An ideal candidate can take up responsibility on his/her own, drink from the fire hose and ask questions/seek tasks which they can perform for the greater good of the company. My freshman seminar class taught this type of common sense stuff. I spent the entire class bashing my head against the desk thinking, "NO loving poo poo! Oh really?! Companies can google your name and view your public Facebook account? You don't say! Career services office can help me find a job and I should use them as a resource? Fascinating! Resume assistance?! Wow, its like they offer the whole package in job placement. Shocking poo poo, right here!" By the end of the curriculum, I was infuriated by the fact that people who find such information compelling were attending the same university as me and contributing to said curriculum being mandatory. If you wanna learn to ski, you see a ski instructor. If you wanna learn to play tennis, you see a tennis instructor. If you wanna find a job, see a career counselor! This level of thinking falls under the category of "does the applicant have basic problem solving abilities?" (Y/N) cname fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Feb 1, 2013 |
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Aerofallosov posted:I even scored a full interview suit at Ross for 40 bucks (Jacket, slacks, shirt). Wrong. Didn't go to Men's Warehouse, now I can't guarantee that you will like the way you look.
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waste of internet posted:OP, since Gnack says you're trying to find a job, let me ask, what are you doing in efforts to find a job? Don't reply with "I'm applying all over the place!" The OP has spent way more time and done a more through job in his employment search than you did in reading the thread,
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cname posted:How did they not know you had a career services, job fairs, or whatever? Did they not attend orientation? Did they not read any university pamphlets or do any research during the application process? How is that anyone's fault but that person's? I get what you're saying, but the only thing I heard from family growing up was "just focus on college, you'll get a good job afterward." The perception was that you just did well in school then worried about the job later. My school didn't really have an orientation or seminar, and the career counseling center was a tiny building hidden in a forest that I didn't even discover until senior year. Professors pushed me towards grad school which just kicked the ball down field a bit. I'm a pretty self-sufficient dude, but I didn't run into much that changed my perception of "do well in school, submit resume, get job" until I actually started submitting resumes and NOT getting jobs. It's why I try to push all my students towards internships, co-ops and such.
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waste of internet posted:OP, since Gnack says you're trying to find a job, let me ask, what are you doing in efforts to find a job? Don't reply with "I'm applying all over the place!" 1)I'm currently using the services provided thru my university's career center. I've applied to job agencies, but most of them are warehouse work. I've heard enough horror stories from my dad who's worked in warehouses. So they've been a dead end. I haven't looked into unemployment because, well, it's an issue of pride. My dad is busting his rear end working lawns and seeking a job while receiving unemployment benfiits. He's not abusing them, but I'd feel wrong to receive benifits when the head of household is seeking them. I know it's stupid. 2)There's a job fair here on campus comming up this month which I plan to dress professionally, have resumes ready, and have my pitch down cold. 3)I've had a goon, the career center, and my academic advisor (and favorite professor) look at it. I'm confident it's a great resume. 4) I make individual cover letters made specifically for the job. I feel it's better than re-using cover letters. 5) Depends on the job. I tend to wait a week or wait entierly on them when it comes to a part-time job. If it's something professional (like the tutoriing position), I follow up exactly one week. I don't have a calendar, but I'm really good about remembering these things. 6)Well I'll call back within a week. Unless of course I get a "we're sorry but" response. If it's in person I make sure it goes straight to a manager. If it's online, I'll call and ask for a manager. And right now I don't feel like giving out more information. I'm discussing this situation with some freinds and, serendipitously enough, a life coach overheard and he wants to help me resolve my issues with my parents. I'm kinda emotionally drained right now, but I promise I'll get back to you guys as soon as you can. Thanks, and I'm sorry.
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cname posted:How did they not know you had a career services, job fairs, or whatever? Did they not attend orientation? Did they not read any university pamphlets or do any research during the application process? How is that anyone's fault but that person's? The idea of a university without a career services department is mind boggling. Boy, are you ever making a lot of assumptions about what most schools provide. The closest my (incredibly expensive, highly-regarded/top 20 in the country) liberal arts school ever got to "career development" was sending out Teach For America information about a week before the application deadline. They were beyond abysmal, and a lot of schools are similar. The thing about youth unemployment/underemployment being where it is, is that even if you can figure out what the gently caress you are doing despite nobody being at all helpful or teaching young people what to do, all the job fairs in the world won't help. You're just another resume in the pile, and even when you luck out and are one out of hundreds of applicants selected for an interview, even THAT is still a numbers game. People get worn out, start second-guessing themselves, tweaking resumes or making radical decisions based on the assumption that after a year of relentless job hunting, it must be THEM somehow, it's got to be THEIR fault they can't even get a lovely minimum wage clerical job. I lucked out into a fantastic career straight out of school, but I am self-aware and not a bootstraps-spouting oval office, so I am capable of recognizing that a lot of my classmates who are now the world's most overqualified au pairs and dishwashers in New York aren't just lazy or stupid: the system has set them up to fail. I don't look down on them because it could have just as easily been me, and anybody who is over 30 just doesn't understand what it was like to graduate into the teeth of the Great Recession and basically lose five years of your career to this mess, all the while a bunch of assholes shout random garbage advice at you from their cushy office perch.
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gigawhite posted:Yes, but why aren't you doing more??? If you really wanted it, you'd have a job by now bub.
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Benny the Snake posted:I'm making phone calls as we speak to the places I submited resumes. He's just being a sarcastic rear end in a top hat thinking he's owning me or others in this thread. Keep at it dude it'll happen and keep your mind open to jobs you think are "dead ends", few jobs are.
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ClemenSalad posted:He's just being a sarcastic rear end in a top hat thinking he's owning me or others in this thread. It's because people come into these threads wanting to pick on the OP based on no information whatsoever, built upon this deterministic concept that the unemployed just aren't trying hard enough to get a job. It's an attitude that is really hurting the young unemployed right now and it's due to people like you who have no idea what things are like. It's complete idiocy, clemen. house of the dad fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Feb 1, 2013 |
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gigawhite posted:It's because people come into these threads wanting to pick on the OP based on no information whatsoever, built upon this deterministic concept that the unemployed just aren't trying hard enough to get a job. It's an attitude that is really hurting the young unemployed right now and it's due to people like you who have no idea what things are like right now. It's complete idiocy, clemen. You're dead inside.
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More to the point, if this political internship really is likely to pay dividends in the future (and I imagine it will), a dead-end job to tide you over in the meantime may not be so bad. Out of curiosity, what are your fellow unpaid interns (if there are any) doing for income? No matter what you do, no matter how smart you are about it and how much effort you throw into the process, job hunting sucks (and having everyone and their brother tell you that you are not doing enough and are not doing it right doesn't help). It's no great crime to decide that you're not interested in a particular sort of work (though you may find you have to revise your standards as finances become tighter), or that you can't devote 25 hours a day to job-hunting, or that you occasionally would like to do something fun with your time and money. That kind of nonsense is an easy road to burning out on the job hunt thing entirely, and that will do you no good at all. They're a bit of a gamble, but I've found temp agencies in particular to be very helpful in my own times of joblessness. docbeard fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Feb 1, 2013 |
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gigawhite posted:It's because people come into these threads wanting to pick on the OP based on no information whatsoever, built upon this deterministic concept that the unemployed just aren't trying hard enough to get a job. It's an attitude that is really hurting the young unemployed right now and it's due to people like you who have no idea what things are like right now. It's complete idiocy, clemen. I completely agree with you but you being a jerk about it isn't going to help. And clemen did offer support in his latest post, so you're kind of flipping out about nothing now.
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I'll shut up. I just don't think the OP should be made to feel bad for not having a job yet, and it does get my temper up.
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bunnybean posted:Congratulations on comparing "mom won't let me watch naughty movies" to slavery, weirdo. Looking forward to future comparisons to Stalin, Hitler and the violence in Syria. He was comparing the rampant, near-abusive homophobia his parents view as "correct" to the rampant, actually abusive notion of owning slaves once held as "correct". There's no need to get into a pissing contest as to which is worse, they're both simply bad things, yet both were once held as "the right way to think." Also I like how you think two women kissing in a non-pornographic context is "naughty." That says a lot.
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turnways posted:Also I like how you think two women kissing in a non-pornographic context is "naughty." That says a lot.
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bunnybean posted:Congratulations on comparing "mom won't let me watch naughty movies" to slavery, weirdo. Looking forward to future comparisons to Stalin, Hitler and the violence in Syria. The point was that "you accepted it in the past so accept it now" is a stupid statement. So I come up with a ridiculous example to show how stupid it is. Instead of going on about how unfair my example is and how much of a terrible person I am for writing it out maybe you could address the actual issue?
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bunnybean posted:Does it really? Because I'm a bisexual woman. Hm, that didn't go well, eh? Like queer folks can't internalize homophobia 
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cda posted:Like queer folks can't internalize homophobia Jesus you're disgusting.
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Namarrgon posted:The point was that "you accepted it in the past so accept it now" is a stupid statement. So I come up with a ridiculous example to show how stupid it is. Instead of going on about how unfair my example is and how much of a terrible person I am for writing it out maybe you could address the actual issue? cda posted:Like queer folks can't internalize homophobia
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docbeard posted:No matter what you do, no matter how smart you are about it and how much effort you throw into the process, job hunting sucks (and having everyone and their brother tell you that you are not doing enough and are not doing it right doesn't help). and really the only way that job hunting doesn't suck is if you know someone that works in a position that matters enough to say anything or to influence someone else who can get you a job. at this point if absolutely no one seems to be taking the op as a new hire i feel like in addition to calling places back like a hawk the best way to go about getting hired anywhere is to go through acquaintances who can get you in
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junesongs posted:and really the only way that job hunting doesn't suck is if you know someone that works in a position that matters enough to say anything or to influence someone else who can get you a job. at this point if absolutely no one seems to be taking the op as a new hire i feel like in addition to calling places back like a hawk the best way to go about getting hired anywhere is to go through acquaintances who can get you in Yea OP this is where connections at the internship are key, even for a lower level job. Do your bosses like you? Do you get along with the coworkers? Any of these people could be a good connection or at least a solid reference for your resume. (just in case you didn't have it already) If you have a good employee who you like and trust, and he says Mary would be a good fit. Do you go with the stack of unknown resumes on your desk or trust your coworker's judgement and give Mary an interview? Its not sinister or sleazy its just a good decision.
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ClemenSalad posted:Yea OP this is where connections at the internship are key, even for a lower level job. Do your bosses like you? Do you get along with the coworkers? Any of these people could be a good connection or at least a solid reference for your resume. and don't be afraid to ask them about their work lives if second jobs or former jobs ever come up like "where did you work? did you like it?" or "do you think they're hiring?" or something. jobs suck but people absolutely love to talk about them and that can potentially be one of the best ways to get into somewhere else for better pay and all or even to just network like crazy. it's entirely rewarding in so many different ways especially with coworkers as high up as you can stand to go with work relationships
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bunnybean posted:Does it really? Because I'm a bisexual woman. Hm, that didn't go well, eh? That wasn't the point; personal sexuality doesn't factor into it. His brother was watching a show and it suddenly and briefly showed a scene with two girls kissing in a non-pornographic context. This led to the mother having a horrible homophobic rampage around the house. This suddenly translates to "they're whining about not getting to watch naughty material in the house," somehow. I have no idea how "naughty material" is even factoring into any of this, and the fact that what happened is being twisted into something that doesn't make a goddamn lick of sense is what I was referring to. If the OP were just complaining about average everyday normal conflicts with his mother, then yeah, this would be a "mom is mean" thread. As it turns out, his mother is incredibly unbalanced and he has legitimate issues with her and his situation. Benny, how close are you to where you're looking for employment, exactly? I ask because you mentioned not owning transportation, and the cost of a car might be prohibitive. Depending on your location and feasibility, as goofy as it sounds, would a scooter or even a bike get you far enough to potential jobs, or maybe even open up a larger area for you to look? turnways fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Feb 2, 2013 |
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turnways posted:Benny, how close are you to where you're looking for employment, exactly? I ask because you mentioned not owning transportation, and the cost of a car might be prohibitive. Depending on your location and feasibility, as goofy as it sounds, would a scooter or even a bike get you far enough to potential jobs, or maybe even open up a larger area for you to look? 
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Benny the Snake posted:Anywhere where I can commute thru public transportation. It's going to be a pain in the rear end, but that's my best option for transportation. So I'm going to be generous and say about a good 15 miles, give or take. Our public transportation system sucks here in so-cal 15 miles would suck on a bike. How street legal are scooters in your area? They'd be cheaper to buy, cost less in fuel, and you'd have a bit more mobility and freedom sooner. Not that I'm assuming you can afford one now, but maybe a little ways down the road once you've saved up a bit of money.
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ClemenSalad posted:Jesus you're disgusting. Hey, maybe one day I'll even get one of my threads a place of honor in the Ray's Pissjugs forum! bunnybean posted:Hey, buddy, thanks for calling me 'queer'; that's an awesome word! I can just feel that tolerance oozing out of your pores; it's such a warm, comforting feeling. No offense was meant. Maybe this is a generational thing? I don't know how old you are, but "queer" is now pretty generally accepted as an umbrella term for sexual and gender minorities. bunnybean posted:I used the word 'naughty' for media of people kissing. Get over it; get over yourself and stop trying to prove some weird hidden homophobic agenda or whatever. It's stupid and it's a really bad look. But to be clear, your agenda is pretty homophobic to the extent that you suggest that anyone should respect the mom's beliefs or, in fact, any batshit crazy rules that flow from those beliefs, like insisting that an adult man can't watch a TV show that regularly airs on a major network because...uh...actually I'm having a hard time with this one. Because what? cda fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Feb 2, 2013 |
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Hey OP, do you even want or need advice about finding a job? Because it seems to me like you're doing a pretty good job, all things considered.
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cda posted:Hey OP, do you even want or need advice about finding a job? Because it seems to me like you're doing a pretty good job, all things considered. Allright, here's a more or less accurate re-creation of the incident that sparked this thread. Danny's in the living room, watching Chicago Fire. My mom's on the family comptuer. She's only on there for doing Avon or online banking, so finances are on the mind. Suddenly she peeks over and sees too women kissing. Since according to her, homosexuality is a sin, she tells Danny to turn it off. Danny, being the beligerant jerk he is, refuses. He feels that he's entitled to watch his favorite show, morality be damned. Mom shouts at him, he tells her to gently caress off. Then for some reason she wants his cell phone. And that's where things escalte. I'm in our room typing away on the computer when suddenly I hear screaming in the hall and Danny rushes in with Mom after him. She starts hitting and kicking him, then struggles to get the phone out of his hand screaming like a banshiee. Dad shows up to restrain her. I jump out of my desk, hold my cellphone, and shout "Everybody be cool, or I'm calling the cops!" Mom and Dad retreat to the living room while Danny stews elsewhere. Mom breaks down saying how she saw the scene in question and how Danny was being a little poo poo and how he owes her about $1000 in credit card bills. Not going into that, I've allready aired out enough dirty laundry for now. And that's my broken family. What scares me even more than them is how I'm just as broken as them 
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Wow. I think that's a lot worse than most people thought it was simply from "getting violent". Honestly, and this is just me, if I had the choice between that home and a shelter, I'd take the shelter. But I've lived in shelters so I'd know what I was getting into. I advise you don't do that unless it's an absolute necessity, but be prepared to if it becomes one.
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Benny the Snake posted:I hear screaming in the hall and Danny rushes in with Mom after him. She starts hitting and kicking him, then struggles to get the phone out of his hand screaming like a banshee. Dad shows up to restrain her. I jump out of my desk, hold my cellphone, and shout "Everybody be cool, or I'm calling the cops!" quote:She starts hitting and kicking him What I have had a hard time understanding in this thread is a lack of focus on what I've bolded. But maybe most people didn't assume this is the kind of violent OP was referring to when he originally said 'things got violent'? There's been a lot of E/N vitriol in this thread, but you're getting some excellent perspective OP (especially from Grandpas a Racist, who I'm starting to think is about the only person who gives a respectfully rear end-busting answer anymore). Please get out of that toxic environment as soon as you can. No matter what the living arrangement's rules are, your mother has zero right to hit anyone. I know you said a life coach wants to help you with these family issues. Have you ever considered asking your college if they offer low/no-cost therapy sessions to students? About unemployment: swallow your pride, and don't feel as if you're abusing or taking advantage of others by applying for unemployment. I don't know the particulars in your state/situation, but a few years ago when circumstances left me laid off and nowhere to go but my parents, I was still approved (I wasn't a dependent of theirs, unsure if at 22 you still are and/or if that impacts things). I used that money to pay my own bills, save up while seeking work, and helped out where I could with groceries. State unemployment also has their own job seeking assistance as well, so that's another avenue to look for work with. Unemployment exists so people can work a little easier towards becoming independent again. If you're approved, it's more money you can save to ultimately get out of there. Unemployment is virtually all done online now, doesn't take long to request, and the worst that can happen is they rule you ineligible (and you can still potentially appeal depending on the circumstance). At least you can give it a shot.
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:What I have had a hard time understanding in this thread is a lack of focus on what I've bolded. But maybe most people didn't assume this is the kind of violent OP was referring to when he originally said 'things got violent'? Pretty sure this is the case, a few of the posters Benny wasn't able to respond to due to the huge backlog assumed that "getting violent" meant simply continuing to try to take Danny's phone. Danny was definitely over the line. That does not give his mother the right to physically abuse him.
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