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Zenzirouj posted:The Emperor's dead body turns into a big white ghost-tree. Like the king of Midland, after his darling Charlotte was taken before he had consented. Where is Charlotte now, and did she wear protection? It really leads me as a reader to ponder: "In this world, is the destiny of mankind controlled by some transcendental entity or law? Is it like the hand of God hovering above? At least it is true that man has no control; even over his own will."
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Jan 16, 2013 07:35
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In a universe where God did not exist, we would have to invent him (or at least let sinister demonic demi-gods impersonate him.)
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Jan 17, 2013 22:18
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Zenzirouj posted:When Griffith (in Femto form) was dicking around on the Emperor's face, Skull Knight zooped in right behind him and tried to slash him with his Behelit-sword that he made by eating lots of Behelits until he poo poo them out as one big sword. The poo-sword is supposed to be able to kill anything regardless of destiny, since it's made of little faceballs whose entire purpose is loving around with destiny. But, it turns out that it was Just As Planned and Femto bends the space where he would have gotten cut (apparently this is a thing he can do). He plops the slash on top of the Emperor, which (presumably) kills him. This fucks the poo poo out of everything and makes the spirit world and the real world cram together because reasons. At a few points earlier in the series, it was remarked that an apostle's body is a link between the corporeal and astral realms. Hence why the emperor built a giant tank out of apostles stitched together to create monsters and power himself up into a mega-apostle. And Skull Knight just happens to have a nifty sword that can slice the barriers between dimensions. Griffith used that sword to cut open a huge apostle, and boom, the astral realm basically spills out and overwhelms the corporeal realm. It's all pretty nuts, but it's not like Miura pulled it out of his rear end or something. Overall, the Berserk universe has a pretty awesome logic to it.
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Jan 18, 2013 02:24
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Guts giving up on revenge isn't the same as forgiving or absolving Griffith. Surprise, everything about Guts is just the prologue for the main story that will revolve around Gut's son and his quest for revenge. 
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Jan 18, 2013 03:39
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Skimming through some of the most recent chapters, I have a question: What is up with the magic tattoo looking thing covering up Guts' Eclipse brand? I've only read/watched up to the Eclipse and parts of the Kushan arc, so I'm probably out of the loop.
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Jan 18, 2013 09:43
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TheRamblingSoul posted:Skimming through some of the most recent chapters, I have a question: What is up with the magic tattoo looking thing covering up Guts' Eclipse brand? I've only read/watched up to the Eclipse and parts of the Kushan arc, so I'm probably out of the loop.
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Jan 18, 2013 10:17
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Finally got around the watching the second movie. I enjoyed it, though it wasn't as good as it could have been and there were definitely parts, that people have already mentioned, where I was like "What? Why would they make that decision?" The last 15 minutes had a lot of really nice animation in it because they were no longer on the battlefield and could actually animate things traditionally. Everything on the snowy hill looked great, and there was some really nice movement in the scene with the king and the torturer. The best piece of movement was when the torturer dropped the behelit and scrambled over to the grate trying to catch it. From an animation stand point that really impressed me. CG was eh. Understand why it's there. It's blah. The music, though, is really blah when it could have been so much better. I know they don't have Hirasawa but they could at least get someone to make stuff that isn't completely forgettable. It's like the Hellsing OVAs, which also have terribly generic music, which is sad considering the TV versions of both Berserk and Hellsing had awesome soundtracks. I've found these movies are good for getting people who don't have the patience for the manga to get into the series. That and the few moments of really awesome animation are the only reason I like that these movies exist. I hope the third movie really raises the bar.
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Jan 19, 2013 07:13
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Gotta love "Battle of Doldrey" for the mere fact that they had to cut so much for time, like Zodd throwing Guts his sword during the battle and a lot of the backstory stuff, and then have like five solid minutes of everyone just dancing. 
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Jan 28, 2013 03:43
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Also, regarding the manga: I think the ultimate question that's coming down the pike for the future is "How important is revenge"? Griffith is bringing together humanity and the demons. He's make it work and could really expand his borders until everyone is living a peaceful life. I'd imagine he's immortal at this point, as in he can't die of old age, so he could be the only thing saving humanity. Guts is changing into the kind of character who may very well be able to, not entirely forgive Griffith, but recognize what he's doing and allow him to live to save humanity....or he could just say gently caress everything and rip Griffith apart. Either would make a good ending.
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Jan 28, 2013 03:46
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E the Shaggy posted:or he could just say gently caress everything and rip Griffith apart. DING DING DING Anything else would be pretty jarring for both the series and the character.
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Jan 28, 2013 05:20
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Though said ending would/will not be "good" in the slightest, what with it probably entailing the destruction of humanity and all 
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Jan 28, 2013 05:26
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E the Shaggy posted:Also, regarding the manga: "The blind king of the white sheep serves as shepherd to the villainy of the black sheep. And he calls forth an era of darkness upon the world." (Chapter 110) The translation sucks, but maybe the blind king refers to the pope? The black sheep sounds like Femto/Griffith to me. Either way, I doubt an "era of darkness" is a peaceful coexistence between man and monster. Only the Apostles appear capable of that. van fem fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Jan 28, 2013 |
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Jan 28, 2013 05:34
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Also, what is the population of humanity in the Berserk world? Its gotta be like only 1,000 with these demon apocalypses happening constantly.
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Jan 28, 2013 06:09
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E the Shaggy posted:Also, what is the population of humanity in the Berserk world? Its gotta be like only 1,000 with these demon apocalypses happening constantly. Nah, if there is one thing humans can do it is procreate. Just think of the demon apocalypse as a slightly exaggerated version of normal medieval child mortality rates.
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Jan 28, 2013 06:57
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Serious Frolicking posted:Nah, if there is one thing humans can do it is procreate. Just think of the demon apocalypse as a slightly exaggerated version of normal medieval child mortality rates. Remember the fairy apostle? She managed to abduct approximately 300,000 children from a town with a population of 62.
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Jan 28, 2013 07:55
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Ccs posted:The music, though, is really blah when it could have been so much better. I know they don't have Hirasawa but they could at least get someone to make stuff that isn't completely forgettable. It's like the Hellsing OVAs, which also have terribly generic music, which is sad considering the TV versions of both Berserk and Hellsing had awesome soundtracks. It's a shame really since it's by Shiro Sagisu who usually does really memorable soundtracks, Evangelion for sure wouldn't be the same with a different composer.
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Jan 28, 2013 15:34
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Lord_Pigeonbane posted:Remember the fairy apostle? She managed to abduct approximately 300,000 children from a town with a population of 62.
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Jan 28, 2013 17:47
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I dunno, the fake fairies were pretty messed up.
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Jan 28, 2013 20:40
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Don't forget that good Griffith is only there to allow the God Hand to manifest in the "real" world.
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Jan 29, 2013 02:06
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RatHat posted:I dunno, the fake fairies were pretty messed up.
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Jan 29, 2013 07:39
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Yeah, the "adult attack" was revolting even by Berserk standards. I'm probably just being too sympathetic towards a psychopathic child because she seemed slightly less horrible in comparison to other villains of the series. I just didn't feel that catharsis from Rosine's death like with so many of Guts's other targets; she was more like a dangerous lunatic who had to be put down for the good of humanity. Are they ever gonna land on Elf Island?
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Jan 29, 2013 21:15
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van fem posted:"The blind king of the white sheep serves as shepherd to the villainy of the black sheep. And he calls forth an era of darkness upon the world." (Chapter 110) Black sheep are more likely the apostles/demons, as contrasted with the white sheep (people). Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the correct translation is that the white sheep are blind, not the king.
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Jan 30, 2013 21:18
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This manga. I love how every time poo poo is about to go down for real I just put on the most badass music I can think of and grin like Gutts.
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Jan 31, 2013 14:22
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cooldude2.0 posted:I'd say they were the most disturbing thing in the whole manga. Especially that one page/panel of the reveal As someone unfamiliar with that part of Berserk, what page or issue or we talking about? Am I going to regret this? 
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Jan 31, 2013 15:51
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Just read the Misty Valley arc anyway because if you don't already feel bad you will after wards.
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Jan 31, 2013 16:06
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Did anyone see Descent?
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Feb 1, 2013 15:35
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TheRamblingSoul posted:As someone unfamiliar with that part of Berserk, what page or issue or we talking about? You'll immediately realize what page it is as soon as you reach it. There is actually another page, the one where you see that Guts is the bigger monster, that is really striking too. Just read it. This arc is the closest thing that Berserk has to a one-shot and it is extremely good. It also marks the point where Guts hit peak angry. The whole thing is brutal and perfectly shows how a child with that kind of(demonic) power would be terrifying but not truly "evil".
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Feb 1, 2013 16:50
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trucutru posted:You'll immediately realize what page it is as soon as you reach it. There is actually another page, the one where you see that Guts is the bigger monster, that is really striking too. Guts hitting Peak Angry was really well done, I felt on edge the whole time reading that part. I wonder if Casca will eventually die, possibly killing herself after having her mind restored? And I wonder how messed up angry Guts will get at that.
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Feb 1, 2013 17:40
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Some have suggested that after getting her mind back Casca could side with Griffith despite all the horrible poo poo he's done. If anything could drive Guts over the edge, give into the Hellhound and completely lose his humanity, that would be it. And it would fit with the tragic theme of Berserk more than fighting the stupid pirate gang again.
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Feb 1, 2013 18:21
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I don't see that happening. Guts did some nasty poo poo to her but nowhere near as bad as what Femto did.
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Feb 1, 2013 19:27
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Caska was dedicated to Griffith, but she was also dedicated to the band of the hawk way more than Guts was. Even if she could forgive everything else, Caska would never forgive someone who killed all of her men.
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Feb 1, 2013 20:21
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Honestly, I could see Casca still siding with Griffith if the "find a cure" story arc ends with her getting just enough of her sanity back to not be a mute invalid, but not enough to not be a crazy person. That would be Berserk as gently caress. 
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Feb 1, 2013 21:41
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I just see Cascas storyline going Strong Woman -> Horrible poo poo -> Mind Crumbles to save itself from the horror -> Mind Restored -> Suicide.
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Feb 1, 2013 23:15
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I can't imagine Casca going to rejoin Griffith at this stage, but I can definitely see her regaining her sanity (through elf magic or whatever) and immediately pulling a Guts, abandoning everyone who cares about her, and wandering the world killing poo poo until she dies.
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Feb 2, 2013 00:06
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Affi posted:I just see Cascas storyline going Strong Woman -> Horrible poo poo -> Mind Crumbles to save itself from the horror -> Mind Restored -> Suicide. Alternately: she gets even *angrier* than Guts, kills lots of demons
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Feb 2, 2013 00:10
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Soulcleaver posted:Some have suggested that after getting her mind back Casca could side with Griffith despite all the horrible poo poo he's done. If anything could drive Guts over the edge, give into the Hellhound and completely lose his humanity, that would be it. And it would fit with the tragic theme of Berserk more than fighting the stupid pirate gang again. I still think this will happen. I don't think Caska will remember what happened, and her loyalty to Griffith will drive her back. Which, yes, will drive Guts against the God Hand once again.
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Feb 2, 2013 01:22
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Zorak posted:I still think this will happen. I don't think Caska will remember what happened, and her loyalty to Griffith will drive her back. I don't see how she could overlook what happened, unless Guts decides not to tell her. ...All the more reason to kill Griffith. EDIT: Holy poo poo, the eclipse happened back in 1996/97, its plausible that Caska won't have her mind restored until 20 years since she portrayed as a coherent character. She's the only link Guts has to before the eclipse, her becoming conversational again would change the tone of the current group so much. Somehow I can't reconcile the idea of her becoming not mute in the current state of the world. I think it's leading to false hope. I can't imagine anything short of a confrontation with Griffith that would alter the narrative so much. She was only there for the (mostly) sane stuff, the super natural stuff wasn't in full force until both at the start, and then after the eclipse. Her character would bridge the story from both the start, the status quo, and the longest portion of the story in length by far. This manga may be longer than the life of the protagonist. Zewle fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Feb 2, 2013 |
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Feb 2, 2013 04:19
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Zewle posted:I don't see how she could overlook what happened, unless Guts decides not to tell her. ...All the more reason to kill Griffith. I agree; I really can't see Caska becoming sane ever again, or at least sane with her prior memories intact. I really can't see an scenario where she regains her sanity AND her memories, given what Griffith did to her and what the world has become since. I can definitely see her regaining her sanity without her memory, but not both. Symbolically as well; I mean, didn't she represent the innocence of both Guts and Griffith before the Eclipse? Her choosing Guts over Griffith was the proverbial last straw, if I recall correctly, precipitating the sequence of events leading up to the Eclipse. And Griffith's violation of her during the Eclipse, and her subsequent loss of sanity, seems to symbolize the irrevocable change the world - and both Griffith and Guts - went through. As such, she can never be what she was before, the way I see it. The Caska of the past is forever lost, just like the innocence of the non-mystical world before Griffith's awakening, and both the present and future are both merely hollow echoes of what was lost.
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Sane or not, I don't see her adapting well to a world filled with monsters where everyone she ever cared about is either dead, slightly insane and changed almost beyond recognition, an invincible demi-god who raped her, or Rickert. If pre-Eclipse Guts was suddenly dumped into the current situation I don't think he would cope any better, but instead he has had years to come to terms with what his life has become. There really is no happy ending to this story.
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