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One way to put the NCR and Caesar's Legion in historical perspective is to see the NCR as the Republic of Rome and Caesar's Legion as Caesar's Legion. Rome was busy trying to expand their empire and build infrastructure and stability, and not doing too good a job of it, while Caesar returns from fighting the Gauls and other barbarians with a huge army that is loyal to him, not Rome. He wants to do away with the whole "republic" thing and bring back the "golden age" of strong emperors, but not destroy the Roman empire. The analogy is not perfect because Caesar in Fallout didn't leave the NCR as a military leader or some kind of official representative of the NCR, but there's a lot of other similarities.
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BCR posted:Total pacifism. After basically killing all the mojaves problems, I thought maximum gandhi would be good. This is definitely the way to go! I tried it 6 months ago and loved it. Older, balding man, with glasses, a sweater vest, and a NCR helmet. Just carried binoculars and a golf club (because he's a gentleman, not a brute). I tried to not use companions until I knew I could complete their quests without deaths, so it was just Cass, ED-E, Arcade, and Raul. I went with Yes-Man, and just Stealth-Boyed through Hoover Dam.
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Feb 3, 2013 21:02
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It's a testament to the quality of the writing that on a recent play through, where I'd done OWB before Dead Money, my first terrified thought after hearing the Elijah had removed all my weapons and armour was 'Oh poo poo! Now he can teleport directly to the sink and...  'Here's a question for the thread. Assuming a Yes Man victory, who is the worst person you could give the Yes Man command code to, before walking off into the sunset? Or the best? I'd like to see how Fantastic runs the show...
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Feb 3, 2013 23:15
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Give it to the kids who were playing around with the Euclid C-finder, they'll probably think it's just another toy and leave it well enough alone without understanding its true purpose. Hopefully no one with a bunch of caps or high barter comes around to Freeside... EDIT: Second choice would be Primm Slim. If shoving a bunch of fission batteries into him is enough to make him Sheriff, I don't see why cramming a few more wouldn't turn him into some benevolent robo-dictator of New Vegas. It's science 
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Feb 3, 2013 23:30
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Doubtful Guest posted:Here's a question for the thread. 
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Feb 3, 2013 23:33
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I wish this game had optional GFWL. I love my achievements, and I have this for PC. The issue is if I play I miss out on achievements, but if I play on Xbox I don't get mods. 
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Feb 3, 2013 23:36
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GFWL is a nightmare shitshow don't envoke its presence. Doesn't do anything for your gamerscore but there are achievements in steam for the game..? Are there not?
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Feb 3, 2013 23:39
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Agoat posted:I wish this game had optional GFWL. I love my achievements, and I have this for PC. The issue is if I play I miss out on achievements, but if I play on Xbox I don't get mods.
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Feb 3, 2013 23:39
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You still get achievements, they're just on steam.
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Feb 3, 2013 23:40
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DamnGlitch posted:GFWL is a nightmare shitshow don't envoke its presence. I play on my Xbox 360 mostly. Steam cheevos are neat, but I love adding to my Gamerscore on Live.
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Feb 3, 2013 23:40
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Well, I just platinumed Fallout NV, but that doesn't mean I'm done with it. Hell no. I still haven't really explored the stuff to find/do in Westside or the Thorn, and the thing I still need to see is the Cass drinking contest. I've heard it's hilarious.
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Feb 3, 2013 23:41
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Agoat posted:I play on my Xbox 360 mostly. Steam cheevos are neat, but I love adding to my Gamerscore on Live. 
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Feb 3, 2013 23:43
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Lord Lambeth posted:Oooh are you this kid? Pretty much. It's really cool, non-serious fun. Bragging to friends is cool, too.
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Feb 3, 2013 23:46
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moot the hopple posted:Give it to the kids who were playing around with the Euclid C-finder, they'll probably think it's just another toy and leave it well enough alone without understanding its true purpose. I was slightly disappointed that activating HELIOS One first doesn't result in the kid space-lasering Freeside.
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Feb 4, 2013 01:16
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I wish there was an option to tell Elijah in Dead Money that you achieved everything he was looking for. "Yeah, I found a way to make HELIOS give me lasers from the sky...once a day, in the sunlight. Your "ultimate weapon" is kind of a letdown, dude."
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Feb 4, 2013 01:33
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BCR posted:Total pacifism. After basically killing all the mojaves problems, I thought maximum gandhi would be good. Nice. I came close once but I never could get 0 deaths. I did kill the heck out of deathclaws and cazadores though. Keep us updated as I seriously want to see evidence of a no-kill no companion run. I salute you brave sirrah! My merchant run I let Boone and Ed-E kill whatever was aggro and, despite my low kills, it didn't feel like a true pacifist run. Barter can be a nice alternative skill to put points in. Gives you access to quite a few speech type checks and gives you the ability to fast travel while overburdened and make ammo weight negligible. The second might matter less but it is nice. I do wish OWB had tossed me a non lethal sonic stun device. Would have been nice to have a true 0 kill count. Speedball posted:If you're going for zero deaths, maybe you should go for Yes Man because you can straight-up skip dealing with a lot of the factions. That is what I almost did but I found an NCR loving Merchant more appropriate. Finishing a game with 20 guns was hilarious.
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Feb 4, 2013 02:58
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Doubtful Guest posted:Assuming a Yes Man victory, who is the worst person you could give the Yes Man command code to, before walking off into the sunset? Or the best? No-Bark Noonan, hands-down. Failing that, Tabitha!
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Doubtful Guest posted:Here's a question for the thread. Judah Krieger. Let's give the Enclave another chance!
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Feb 4, 2013 03:25
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Speedball posted:No-Bark Noonan, hands-down. Failing that, Tabitha! No-Bark Noonan actually seems to be person most aware of whats going on in Novac, he just covers it behind all the random crazy talk.
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Feb 4, 2013 03:38
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Zilkin posted:No-Bark Noonan actually seems to be person most aware of whats going on in Novac, he just covers it behind all the random crazy talk. Well, that's why his both the worst and best choice. At the same time! He's the only one who would prepare the Mojave for the inevitable invasion of the mole people. By which I mean, the Tunnelers.
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Feb 4, 2013 05:21
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Lord Lambeth posted:Oooh are you this kid?  So, I like the NCR, but think they need to chill the gently caress out and learn to expand with peace and moderation, not violent land grabs. I also like Mister House for bringing order and civilization to savages. The Legion can go gently caress themselves. Is there a way to go the anarchist route in the ending without just completely flipping the bird to House and the NCR?
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Feb 4, 2013 06:02
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Doubtful Guest posted:I'd like to see how Fantastic runs the show... The bald guy Chris from Repconn Test Site, somehow he will get his revenge on everyone.
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Feb 4, 2013 06:03
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mango sentinel posted:No. He's this kid: 3Romeo posted:The only ending I've never done is House's, because he demands I eradicate the BoS, who I kind of like. So I downloaded a mod for my latest run-through that lets me not have to do that. If its not called the Kobayashi Maru mod I will be sad. No Bark for President of Vegas. Or the King for the King of Vegas.
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Feb 4, 2013 06:14
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If No-Bark was given complete control over the Mojave, he'd do it in secret. Can't let the spies find out, after all. Also, No-Bark is secretly smarter than Mr. House. On an unrelated note, pretty much everyone you interact with in Beyond the Beef is a dick, and I wish that the limitations of the engine didn't make it so that Ted didn't look like Augustus Gloop.
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Feb 4, 2013 06:14
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mango sentinel posted:So, I like the NCR, but think they need to chill the gently caress out and learn to expand with peace and moderation, not violent land grabs. I also like Mister House for bringing order and civilization to savages. The Legion can go gently caress themselves. Is there a way to go the anarchist route in the ending without just completely flipping the bird to House and the NCR? You have to murder House for any ending besides his own, but you can have a good relationship with the NCR in the Anarchy and House endings. Unless you consider "flipping the bird" to be "no you don't deserve everything just because you shout FREEDOM".
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Feb 4, 2013 06:25
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Byzantine posted:You have to murder House for any ending besides his own, but you can have a good relationship with the NCR in the Anarchy and House endings. Well there was supposed to be cut content where House surrenders to the NCR. That would have been the equidistant of the Legate Ending for the NCR aka NCR shifts to capitalist Fascism as House takes over as either governor of New Vegas or as President if Kimball dies, using a Securitron as his rep. "Under this proposition, New Reno is to effective relocate all gambling venues to New Vegas. You should not have to know what happens if you disobey."
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Heh. I never tried framing Heck Gunderson for the death of his son in Beyond The Beef before. The Securitron starts going on a fillibuster about how reporting crimes is everyone's civic duty for half a minute. It also warns that bodies are a tripping hazard and should be removed.
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Speedball posted:Heh. I never tried framing Heck Gunderson for the death of his son in Beyond The Beef before. If you have Wild Wasteland on you get to hear a Robocop Quote during all this
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Von_Doom posted:Nice. I came close once but I never could get 0 deaths. I did kill the heck out of deathclaws and cazadores though. Keep us updated as I seriously want to see evidence of a no-kill no companion run. I salute you brave sirrah! My merchant run I let Boone and Ed-E kill whatever was aggro and, despite my low kills, it didn't feel like a true pacifist run. Barter can be a nice alternative skill to put points in. Gives you access to quite a few speech type checks and gives you the ability to fast travel while overburdened and make ammo weight negligible. The second might matter less but it is nice. I do wish OWB had tossed me a non lethal sonic stun device. Would have been nice to have a true 0 kill count. I don't really have the ocd need to pick up every rifle to sell or do every quest which helps a lot. Normally, I'm just running around in a vault suit/naughty nightwear with about 30lb of stuff total. I'll put up a img when I'm done.
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Oooh, I thought of a trait. "Ghoulkin." "You are genetically predisposed to becoming a ghoul...a _feral_ ghoul. You regenerate health when in an active source of radiation and suffer none of the ordinary SPECIAL penalties for radiation poisoning, but your INT goes down as your rads go up and if it hits 0, game over!" (Alternately, your rads go up much quicker than normal, like two or four times as quickly, so if you hit 300-500 rads or so, you die)
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Daionus the 23rd posted:On an unrelated note, pretty much everyone you interact with in Beyond the Beef is a dick, and I wish that the limitations of the engine didn't make it so that Ted didn't look like Augustus Gloop. I recently learned about the other brahmin dude out front of the Ultra Luxe who wants you to get Heck out of the picture. Aww, the touching father son reunion. Too bad I slipped the boy wonder a chunk of C4 I smuggled in. This? No, it's not a detonator, it's just the remote shutter release for my camera, don't be silly! 
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One thing I just remembered and never figured out if there was a further hidden-quest: After you go to Ranger Station Charlie and find the Legion has raided it, you find a holotape that says something like "We've taken the girl." I remember searching around nearby and checking out the Legion Raiding Camp, but never found any signs of a kidnapped female ranger. Did I miss something, or is that just a dead-end?
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DeclaredYuppie posted:One thing I just remembered and never figured out if there was a further hidden-quest: You have to go Legion to actually see her and face her in the arena
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e: f,b Anyway... when is Nuka-Break s.2 coming out?
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Wolfsheim posted:Man, he could've given you a cushy cabinet position. Hell, after basically solving every issue the NCR military has single-handed, the courier practically deserves to be Secretary of Defense. Well, though the President shows up, you don't actually ever meet him, and I don't think General Oliver is qualified to make you Secretary of Defence. Personally, I didn't see any need to be directly rewarded by the NCR for my actions; they stand on their own without need for direct reward. I singlehandedly defused two bombs, wiped out an entire tribe of laser-gun-toting raiders, defused anti-NCR sentiment amongst the general population in the NCR's newest state, took back the town of Nelson all by myself and saved the NCR prisoners trapped there, and to top it all off I won the battle of Hoover Dam, killed Legate Lanius and Caesar himself. Every NCR soldier in the Mojave is going home with my name on their lips as the biggest goddamn hero the NCR ever did see since the Chosen One. I don't need a reward for that, back in the Hall Of Congress they're probably already ordering in a new plaque with my name on it for Kimball's desk. Incidentally, Kimball is President Five of the NCR.
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redmercer posted:You have to go Legion to actually see her and face her in the arena You can do this regardless of whether Charlie is hit by the Legion, so I doubt that it's the same person.
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Feb 4, 2013 22:27
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Reveilled posted:Well, though the President shows up, you don't actually ever meet him, and I don't think General Oliver is qualified to make you Secretary of Defence. A 'virtue is its own reward' argument in a video game, let alone an RPG with an emphasis on reactivity? Really?
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Feb 4, 2013 22:29
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JawKnee posted:You can do this regardless of whether Charlie is hit by the Legion, so I doubt that it's the same person. Once you're invited to the Fort, Charlie gets auto-raided whether or not you talk to Andy.
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Feb 4, 2013 23:10
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Wolfsheim posted:A 'virtue is its own reward' argument in a video game, let alone an RPG with an emphasis on reactivity? Really? It's not like there was no reward, the NCR won Hoover dam and annexed New Vegas. I'm the freelance NCR rep in the area, my side won and got what it wanted. What I wanted as a player was for the ending slides to talk about the NCR taking the whole place over, and I basically got what I wanted in those ending slides. I'm being totally honest, in all the times I've run through this game and done a pro-NCR playthrough, it's never even occurred to me that I didn't get personally rewarded for the NCR victory.
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