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onoflalks posted:There isn't a problem with it, but I can't wait to be Hacketted™ on Monday to see how we're all wrong. Yeah, I thought I was misreading something or being caught out by some sort of trick wording, but it's no different to feinting or doing a stepover.
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Mickolution posted:Yeah, I thought I was misreading something or being caught out by some sort of trick wording, but it's no different to feinting or doing a stepover.
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Jan 25, 2013 16:15
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Yeah, I'm actually looking forward to his answer tbh.
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Jan 25, 2013 16:17
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There's no way the third one is punished. Even if you could consider it "unsporting" to yell that, the guy taking the kick could just say he kicked it "badly" and the striker reacted to it. Anything other than a goal being awarded would be absurd.
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Jan 25, 2013 17:00
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Players are yelling to each other all the time. It's ludicrous to penalize a team for communicating with each other.
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Jan 25, 2013 17:12
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onoflalks posted:There isn't a problem with it, but I can't wait to be Hacketted™ on Monday to see how we're all wrong. It's great, isn't it? I'm trying to imagine the kind of tortured logic he'd have to come up with to wipe the goal off.
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Jan 25, 2013 19:13
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1. Yellow for the defender. Red for the winger. Techincally throwing a snowball is battery, no? 2. No clue. Since the contacts are not medically recommended, I guess it can be considered miscellaneous equipment? Definitely write it in match report. 3. Goal.
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Jan 25, 2013 22:28
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Decided to comb through the laws of the game to see if I can figure out where the inevitable Hackett magic will come from for items 2 and 3. Did learn something new:The Laws, page 40 posted:If a direct free kick is kicked directly into the team's own goal, a corner kick is awarded to the opposing team. Surprised at that, you'd think if they were being twattish enough to own goal themselves they'd deserve the own goal outright. Anyway. In the guidelines it states that The Laws, page 67 posted:A player may use equipment other than the basic equipment provided that its sole purpose is to protect him physically and it poses no danger to him or any other player. Based on that I'm guessing Hackett will say that the extra contacts should be removed immediately, with a booking if they refuse or try to argue the point. And then for item 3, I found.... The Laws, page 119 posted:There are different circumstances when a player must be cautioned for unsporting behaviour, e.g. if a player:... verbally distracts an opponent during play or a restart. So either he's going to let it go like most of us think he should, or he's gonna be a dick and call it unsporting. I have to give this to Hackett, for all the seeming craziness he's sure managed to get a lot of people scratching their heads and memorizing rules to try to figure out what the gently caress he's on about.
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Jan 25, 2013 23:38
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hackett posted:No. 3 - You have to consider whether the shout was intentional to throw off the defender. If you and your assistants agree that it was deliberate and unsporting behaviour, restart with an indirect free kick to the defence from where the striker committed the foul. Otherwise award the goal. Or something absurd like that, I bet.
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Jan 26, 2013 00:20
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Iridium posted:And then for item 3, I found.... Number 3 seems pretty clear based on the wording. The striker wanted it near post, but the crosser sent it far post (intentionally or not). The striker read where the ball was going but the defender didn't. To me, verbally distracting your opponent would be yelling something about a striker's girlfriend right as he's about to take a penalty. Communicating where you want the ball played or where you want your teammates can't possibly be a cautionable offence since you have no control over them.
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Jan 26, 2013 00:21
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Iridium posted:Based on that I'm guessing Hackett will say that the extra contacts should be removed immediately, with a booking if they refuse or try to argue the point. He'll probably expect the ref to intervene because taking a penalty with those lens would be "unsporting conduct" - you know, the catchall for everything cheat-y that FIFA is too lazy to cover.
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Jan 26, 2013 01:01
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Vegetable posted:Going by that logic hairbands should be banned too.  .
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Jan 26, 2013 02:08
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quote:1) Dry your face, ignore the laughter and call both players to you. First, the defender. He is guilty of unsporting behaviour in rolling the winger off the pitch, but he did not use excessive force – so it is a yellow card for him. Second, the winger. He's guilty of attempting to strike an opponent, which leaves you with no option: send him off, and restart with a direct free-kick for the initial trip.
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Jan 28, 2013 12:02
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Penalising 'leave it' and 'my ball'? Surely attacking players shout this all the time, too.
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Jan 28, 2013 12:09
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Esposito posted:Penalising 'leave it' and 'my ball'? Surely attacking players shout this all the time, too. I don't know if it's ever actually penalised or if players do it, but it is against the rules.
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Jan 28, 2013 12:19
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I was always taught it was an offence if it was done specifically to decieve. Yelling "it's mine" when it's dropping on your chest and no opponent within twenty yards of you, fine. Calling "lay it off, I'm free", to your mate to get him to pass it to you, also fine. ("But ref, he didn't put a name on it! You have to put a name on it!"  ) Calling "outside you, give it!" to an opponent to get him to pass to you, unsporting behaviour.Interestingly, in Rugby Union, that home of gentlemanly behaviour (and only a little eye-gouging), they think that if you throw a no-look pass just because someone said "inside you, mate!" and it turns out to have been an opponent, then it's your own stupid fault for giving the ball to anyone who asks for it without checking who it is.
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Jan 28, 2013 12:33
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I guess it works if the intent to deceive is blatant. But what if you change your mind between your call and the arrival of the ball? You could always shout "it's mine" and find that your mate is in a prime position to take a shot. It's effectively a penalisation of quick thinking too.
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Jan 28, 2013 13:06
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Well, I wouldn't ping a player who called "mine" when a team-mate played it to him, and then dummied it to go to someone else, either. The way I was taught, you have to be directly taking possession off an opponent with the shout.
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Jan 28, 2013 13:19
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I'm quite disappointed that these all seem to be pretty logical outcomes
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Jan 28, 2013 14:10
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It seems pretty clear that in the real world, it's the sort of thing you only ever penalize when you're certain the player did it specifically to deceive the opponent. Any random chain of events that leads to the attacker gaining an advantage by pure stroke of luck shouldn't mean he gets punished for calling "to me" and misjudging the situation. If the defender is in doubt, he's always allowed to just boot it into row Z so it seems obvious that you'd let it slide unless the attacker is very obviously trying to deceive the defender.
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Jan 28, 2013 14:11
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Jamie Cureton got sent off a few seasons back because he turned around and kicked a former teammate who shouted "Jacks" at him (meaning "leave it"). What this proved was that while it might technically be against the rules to deliberately deceive a player, it's really hard to prove that it happened since mostly the referee won't hear it. It also proves that kicking people gets you sent off, dur. And that Jamie Cureton was a bit poo poo for QPR. So there we go. A surprising (and frankly, disappointing) amount of sense from Hackett this week.
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Jan 28, 2013 16:00
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1: Hulk Smash the player. 2: Tell the player he's a dumb oval office. 3: Laugh. Oh wait, I'm a terrible ref.
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Jan 29, 2013 18:16
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The transfer window's closed, now it's time to get back to what's really important about football: 1) Rip the defender's shirt off too then caution him for violating the Fourth Law of Football 2) Point out that you're in short sleeves and shorts and tell him to grow a pair. Punch him in the face 3) Laugh at old butterfingers here and then kick him in the teeth while he's on the floor 1) Caution the defender, send off the keeper, restart with a penalty 2) Only the goalkeeper is specifically mentioned as being allowed to wear track pants. No way 3) Keeper committed an infraction when he touched the ball. There's no advantage to be played as the striker's action is also an infraction. Restart with an IDFK to the striker's team positioned according to Law 13 Lamont Cranston fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Feb 1, 2013 |
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Feb 1, 2013 05:46
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1. Advantage on the shirt rip which will become a yellow. Red for the keeper for DOGSO. Penalty kick, but make the guy find a shirt first. Red for the equipment manager, because he probably forgot to bring one. 2. Can't see the shin guards. No dice. 3. Wasn't enough possession for a foul. Goal.
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Feb 1, 2013 06:11
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1. PK, caution the defender for USB, send off the goalkeeper for DOGSO. 2. In the US, this is fine. I don't know what the answer will be in England though. Punch him in the face for being a sissy either way. {EDIT: Took me a bit to find the memo. http://www.ussoccer.com/news/other/2007/06/june-2007-archive-i-of-i.aspx Mentions "As to cold weather gear, we have already responded that players may wear tracksuit bottoms, as long as they are uniform for the entire team." Again, I don't know what the FA's rules are on this, but USSF = fine) 3. Keeper handled a backpass, but was then fouled by the striker, so advantage can't be played. IFK for the attacking team. chaoslord fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Feb 1, 2013 |
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Feb 1, 2013 06:32
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1. Penalty, get the shirt situation sorted out after you've blown for the penalty. Send off the keeper for DOGSO and book the player for stripping the defender. 2. Play in what was agreed before the match. Run about a bit more to warm up or something. 3. The keeper took control of the ball, so IDFK where he handled it.
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Feb 1, 2013 06:54
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1. Yellow to the guy who ripped the shirt, red to the keeper, penalty... but the striker has to go off and get a new shirt before he can come back on. 2. I think shorts are required, only the keeper can wear pants. Tell him sorry. 3. Disallow the goal, IDFK to the keeper. e: Ugh, forgot about the backpass in 3. :/
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Feb 1, 2013 08:21
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These all seem fairly simple and I agree with what has been posted already by a bunch of people. I'd also send off the kit manufacturer for making shirts that literally fall apart.
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Feb 1, 2013 11:14
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1.) DOGSO, yellow for the defender, red for the keeper, penalty, and find a new shirt. 2.) Allow it, either only for the keeper or for the entire team. And allow it for my ARs. 3.) Does the keeper have control? If not, and it's in the net, allow the goal since it's simply 2 players going after the ball. If he has control before it's poked into the net, then IDFK, and yellow for the keeper for deliberate handling. Bio-Hazard fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Feb 1, 2013 |
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Lamont Cranston posted:The transfer window's closed, now it's time to get back to what's really important about football: 1) Yellow to the guy who ripped the shirt and red to the keeper. 2) Tell the player to suck it and punch him. 3) Going with everyone else in the thread IDK for the attacking team.
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Feb 1, 2013 23:05
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First YAtR guess, and I'm probably way wrong... 2 and 3 seem straightforward but I'm wondering if we are to award a red card for violent conduct when the defender (violently) rips off the strikers shirt. Could this be the twist?
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Feb 2, 2013 03:39
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Lamont Cranston posted:The transfer window's closed, now it's time to get back to what's really important about football: 1: Yellow and advantage for the shirt rip, then penalty and red for the keeper bringing the striker down. Make the striker get a new shirt. 2: Tell him to harden up. 3: Keeper had control of the ball, but handling a backpass is an indirect free kick from where the keeper handled it. If the striker has kicked the ball out of the goalkeeper's hands well after he's established control of it, then it's a yellow card and defensive free kick. If the striker made contact with the goalie and it was late, then straight red.
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Johnny Cache Hit posted:First YAtR guess, and I'm probably way wrong... If he's challenging for the ball then it'd be serious foul play, and not violent conduct.
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Feb 2, 2013 10:17
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Ah, grasshopper; but is ripping someone's shirt off a potentially valid way of challenging for the ball? If someone is getting harried from behind and elbows them in retaliation, I'd send it in as violent conduct, not serious foul play...
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quote:1) A terrific question – it just illustrates how you need to be prepared for anything, and for decisions which involve several elements. First, dismiss the goalkeeper for denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity. Second, dismiss the defender for using excessive force in violently ripping the shirt. Once the defending team have a new goalkeeper in place – either an outfield player or a sub – restart with a penalty kick.
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Feb 4, 2013 12:19
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I was about to comment on how Hackett is continuing his unusual run of common sense but then I realised that he just said he would let a team play in tights.
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Feb 4, 2013 12:29
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Tunga posted:I was about to comment on how Hackett is continuing his unusual run of common sense but then I realised that he just said he would let a team play in tights. Surely he means long johns?
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Feb 4, 2013 13:14
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Or those skins things that go under shorts?
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Feb 4, 2013 13:20
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Um, with #1 that doesn't seem right. If you're going to dismiss the defender for yanking the shirt, shouldn't you blow it dead right there? And I just checked, and apparently the only place you can play advantage after a red-card offence is if there's a goalscoring opportunity afterward.
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Esposito posted:Or those skins things that go under shorts? Ryan Giggs went a good while one season playing in full-length compression shorts, so they're definitely legal. 
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