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Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

Let's put a simile on that face
A dazzling simile
Twinkling like the night sky

VanSandman posted:

How do you pronounce Tzeentch anyway?

Ch-ee-su

(Nobody knows. Zeen-ch is probably the most common, though it varies from group to group.)

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Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
It changes :smug:

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

Cynic Jester posted:

Ch-ee-su

(Nobody knows. Zeen-ch is probably the most common, though it varies from group to group.)
Zeench is correct. I saw something a long time ago (maybe a WD?) showing a phonetic pronunciation and it was "Zeench." Also, one of the Warhammer games has a sorcerer saying it that way, so I have to assume that GW okayed it...

Arquinsiel posted:

It changes :smug:
Brilliant.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Dawn of War also has the infamous "SPESS MAHREENS!" though....

Trast
Oct 20, 2010

Three games, thousands of playthroughs. 90% of the players don't know I exist. Still a redhead saving the galaxy with a [Right Hook].

:edi:

Arquinsiel posted:

Dawn of War also has the infamous "SPESS MAHREENS!" though....

"Git off mah ship SPESS MAHREEN!"

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

I'd pronounce it with a very soft t - so it's more of a soft glottal stop.

Oh my god, what am I writing?

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

VanSandman posted:

How do you pronounce Tzeentch anyway?

Zinch. (rhymes with "cinch"). Or Zeench. (rhymes with...uh...)

I've heard both quite a bit, and they both seem fine to me. Especially in light of the mutable nature of the Lord of Change :cthulhu:

Impaired Casing
Jul 1, 2012

We don't make mistakes, just happy little accidents.
I finished reading "Necropolis" today, and can now see why everyone who makes a list of essential 40k books put the Gaunt series on it. It was a great read, from both the action scenes to the political intrigue bits. I was worried that all the characters I liked were going to die off before the end of the book, but they didn't, so I just assume it is now going to be a slow attrition of them throughout the rest of the series.


Arquinsiel posted:

Dawn of War also has the infamous "SPESS MAHREENS!" though....

Dawn of War II: Retribution is how the orks should be: Awesome. Their campaign is the most hilarious thing to come out of the Warhammer series, and if you haven't played it, either get it next time it pops up on sale or watch some clips of it on youtube.

Fuzzy Pipe Wrench
Nov 5, 2008

MAYBE DON'T STEAL BEER FROM GOONS?

CHEERS!
(FUCK YOU)

VanSandman posted:

How do you pronounce Tzeentch anyway?

I've always gone with T'Natch. Totally incorrect, but I figure 40K deserves it for what it's done to latin.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Fuzzy Pipe Wrench posted:

I've always gone with T'Natch. Totally incorrect, but I figure 40K deserves it for what it's done to latin.

I'm no scholar, but High Gothic deserves far worse than this:

http://youtu.be/IIAdHEwiAy8

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang
The correct, as in, how the studio and every other English speaker I've heard, way to say it is "Zeench" rhyming with seench.

EyeRChris
Mar 3, 2010

Intergalactic, all-planetary, everything super-supreme champion
I've always said it as Zeech. Sounding like (be)seech

Granted I like the answer that the pronunciation changes :p

Contingency Plan
Nov 23, 2007

I'm partial to Zayn-ch.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007

Arquinsiel posted:

Dawn of War also has the infamous "SPESS MAHREENS!" though....

Better than the "SPICE MOREENS!" oh the actual Space Marine game.

Impaired Casing
Jul 1, 2012

We don't make mistakes, just happy little accidents.

Mr.48 posted:

Better than the "SPICE MOREENS!" oh the actual Space Marine game.

I find your lack of faith in Space Marine heretical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VXUDlcr0qI

UberJumper
May 20, 2007
woop
Why the gently caress can't the Black Library Write one decent book about the Dark Angels? I am guessing there will eventually be a third dark angels book? All the two books have taught me is that, The Lion is socially awkward, and Caliban is a death trap.

EyeRChris
Mar 3, 2010

Intergalactic, all-planetary, everything super-supreme champion

UberJumper posted:

Why the gently caress can't the Black Library Write one decent book about the Dark Angels? I am guessing there will eventually be a third dark angels book? All the two books have taught me is that, The Lion is socially awkward, and Caliban is a death trap.

The Dark Angels in the Heresy books seem like the least effective legion in history. They are newly founded, their primarch is pretty much retarded, doesn't see the splintering in his legion thats right in front of him, effectively makes it worse, and then hands over the keys to some super weapons to the massacre. Even if its written in the wikia for the Lion to return would it be a good thing? The Lion makes everything worse.

Kegslayer
Jul 23, 2007

UberJumper posted:

Why the gently caress can't the Black Library Write one decent book about the Dark Angels? I am guessing there will eventually be a third dark angels book? All the two books have taught me is that, The Lion is socially awkward, and Caliban is a death trap.

There was a really cool Dark Angel short story (that probably isn't canon anymore) about a group of Deathwing terminators painting their armour white and adorning shaman symbols and spirits to protect themselves from an oncoming genestealer attack. It was one of the earliest published stories and was pretty awesome.

The Horus Heresy take on the Lion and the Dark Angels kinda suck.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Kegslayer posted:

There was a really cool Dark Angel short story (that probably isn't canon anymore) about a group of Deathwing terminators painting their armour white and adorning shaman symbols and spirits to protect themselves from an oncoming genestealer attack. It was one of the earliest published stories and was pretty awesome.

The Horus Heresy take on the Lion and the Dark Angels kinda suck.
It's still alluded to in the fluff by the Deathwith having white armour instead of the traditional pre-Heresy black and wearing all the feathers and stuff.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

Arquinsiel posted:

It's still alluded to in the fluff by the Deathwith having white armour instead of the traditional pre-Heresy black and wearing all the feathers and stuff.

Argh, those feathers. So annoying to have to file off when you're trying to paint DA models as something else.

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

Kegslayer posted:

There was a really cool Dark Angel short story (that probably isn't canon anymore) about a group of Deathwing terminators painting their armour white and adorning shaman symbols and spirits to protect themselves from an oncoming genestealer attack. It was one of the earliest published stories and was pretty awesome.

The Horus Heresy take on the Lion and the Dark Angels kinda suck.
This is because that original story was written before Gav Thorpe got his hands on them

Arquinsiel posted:

It's still alluded to in the fluff by the Deathwith having white armour instead of the traditional pre-Heresy black and wearing all the feathers and stuff.
Yeah, but it isn't because they're Space Native Americans anymore.

Lily Catts
Oct 17, 2012

Show me the way to you
(Heavy Metal)
From what I've read, the Dark Angels don't deserve the accolades that they think should be awarded to them, and we're told the Lion is this brilliant and strong commander but he never really does anything noteworthy (except punch out Leman Russ). I wish they had more competent authors who fleshed them out as remotely-likeable beings.

I guess the Silver Skulls fill in the Native American Marines role but they aren't very good, either.

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

Schneider Heim posted:

I guess the Silver Skulls fill in the Native American Marines role but they aren't very good, either.
Aren't the Silver Skulls more of a Pacific Islander-type vibe? I've only read a couple of their stories (and they were really hard to get through) but all the character I got off of them was "heavily tattooed," like in the Maori tradition (though I didn't get any Maori feel from them other than that.)

The Space Sharks give off a very heavy Pacific Islander feel though. They're awesome. :allears:

Lead Psychiatry
Dec 22, 2004

I wonder if a soldier ever does mend a bullet hole in his coat?
Warhammer monthly had an issue of a Terminator who went back to his home planet and discovered it was overrun by Genestealers which was Native American themed. But I don't recall the comic giving away the Chapter he was apart of.

Warhammer Monthly also had a whole issue (Warped Visions iirc) dedicated towards reversing the Fantasy/40k stories from earlier issues that was all kinds of hilarious.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Lead Psychiatry posted:

Warhammer monthly had an issue of a Terminator who went back to his home planet and discovered it was overrun by Genestealers which was Native American themed. But I don't recall the comic giving away the Chapter he was apart of.

Warhammer Monthly also had a whole issue (Warped Visions iirc) dedicated towards reversing the Fantasy/40k stories from earlier issues that was all kinds of hilarious.

It's dark Angels in that story, which is why the death wing had te feathers and such (before every DA had huge feathers everywhere). Part of their coolness back in the day was that they had multiple different recruiting worlds which created variety within the chapter. I remember years ago the ravenwing also had a very cool native American feel to them, which I think has now been replaced with the increased focus on hunting the fallen

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

If you will not serve in combat, you will serve on the firing line!




Lead Psychiatry posted:

Warhammer monthly had an issue of a Terminator who went back to his home planet and discovered it was overrun by Genestealers which was Native American themed. But I don't recall the comic giving away the Chapter he was apart of.

That was Deathwing I think. They even made a short comic (Back when they actually did those) based on that story and it's in the Flames of Damnation collection. And while they won't outright state what chapter the Terminator shaman guy is in the iconography on his shoulder pad has a sword flanked by a pair of wings so I think it's Dark Angels.

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

Cooked Auto posted:

That was Deathwing I think. They even made a short comic (Back when they actually did those) based on that story and it's in the Flames of Damnation collection. And while they won't outright state what chapter the Terminator shaman guy is in the iconography on his shoulder pad has a sword flanked by a pair of wings so I think it's Dark Angels.
At the time, it was understood that it was the Dark Angels. They were the only chapter who had any sort of background like that, and multiple short stories had also talked about the DA's "Native American"-ish background.

berzerkmonkey fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Feb 4, 2013

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Man that was pretty cool.

Pyrolocutus
Feb 5, 2005
Shape of Flame



How was Angel of Fire? I haven't read it yet, and I'm about to place a pre-order for a few books.

The Rat
Aug 29, 2004

You will find no one to help you here. Beth DuClare has been dissected and placed in cryonic storage.

Pretty unremarkable. Good if you're stuck somewhere and have nothing else to read, but I wouldn't deliberately seek it out.

William Bear
Oct 26, 2012

"That's what they all say!"
I finised Eisenhorn. I have something to ask. What books other than Eisenhorn give a good look at ordinary life in the Imperium? Is Ravenor all cloak and dagger or Gaunt all military action, or do we get civilian drama in there too?

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

William Bear posted:

I finised Eisenhorn. I have something to ask. What books other than Eisenhorn give a good look at ordinary life in the Imperium? Is Ravenor all cloak and dagger or Gaunt all military action, or do we get civilian drama in there too?

Pariah would probably scratch this itch, but read Ravenor first. You do get the occasional glimpse of non-IG life in the Gaunt's Ghosts series. You might also enjoy the Shira Calpurnia novels, which take place in a hive.

Lily Catts
Oct 17, 2012

Show me the way to you
(Heavy Metal)

William Bear posted:

I finised Eisenhorn. I have something to ask. What books other than Eisenhorn give a good look at ordinary life in the Imperium? Is Ravenor all cloak and dagger or Gaunt all military action, or do we get civilian drama in there too?

Titanicus has several civilian POVs. Brothers of the Snake has a story set in a feudal world, featuring a civilian main character.

rocket_Magnet
Apr 5, 2005

:unsmith:

William Bear posted:

I finised Eisenhorn. I have something to ask. What books other than Eisenhorn give a good look at ordinary life in the Imperium? Is Ravenor all cloak and dagger or Gaunt all military action, or do we get civilian drama in there too?

Ravenor is much the same as Eisenhorn really undercover work in hives, with the odd alien cameos and a whole lot less daemonhosts. As already stated the Shira Calpurnia omnibus is about an arbites officer doing, basically police work in a hive. As for Angel of Fire, it was a OK book I guess, but my only gripe was we were told constantly how awesome Macharius is, how wonderful he was, how made you feel awesome and blah blah. You don't really read anything to back up this opinion we're supposed to have of him.

I've fallen so far behind as of late with books to read, as my local Blackwells has gone to poo poo with getting new black library stock in, betrayer, angel exterminatus, flesh of cretacia, the greater good; the list goes on :(

Marin Karin
Jul 29, 2011

What are you, compared to my magnificence?
A couple weeks ago I finished the Night Lords trilogy, and goddamn, all the praise for that series is more than well-deserved. I don't think there was a single weak or dull moment across all three books. All the characters stood out from each other and were entertaining as well as memorable, and the ending was perfect, if not a little bittersweet. (Void Stalker) Even though the Night Lords did some horrific poo poo, especially in that book, it was still sad to see them go. All of it happened because Talos desperately wanted to give meaning to himself and his Legion. :smith: As inhuman as he was, it's not hard to understand Talos's desire to avoid having his brothers remain as raiders with no meaning or long-term desires. I also enjoyed the relationship between Xarl and Talos. They had a lot of hate and resentment for each other, but they still felt the most like brothers to me. Their bonds were definitely the deepest in the story, which I guess is expected because of their past. Those two alone sold me on how even though Chaos Marines are infamous traitors, they can still keep their deep bonds with their legion brothers (well, some can). I would highly recommend the trilogy to anyone in this thread who hasn't read them yet. I think I enjoyed it more than Eisenhorn.

I recently got started on the Horus Heresy, too. I love it when 40k books have a heavy focus on the characters instead of just being bolter porn, so I hope a lot of the books have plenty of emphasis on the Primarchs and their relationships with each other and their legions. I really enjoyed Horus Rising, and I'm already deep into False Gods. Why are these books so addictive? :argh:

Lily Catts
Oct 17, 2012

Show me the way to you
(Heavy Metal)

Marin Karin posted:

I recently got started on the Horus Heresy, too. I love it when 40k books have a heavy focus on the characters instead of just being bolter porn, so I hope a lot of the books have plenty of emphasis on the Primarchs and their relationships with each other and their legions. I really enjoyed Horus Rising, and I'm already deep into False Gods. Why are these books so addictive? :argh:

That's because they take legendary figures (i.e. the Primarchs) and humanize them with their own flaws and foibles. It's quite amazing when they turn mere footnotes in history (in the context of mainline 40k) and turn them into novel-length epics. The entire series is also steeped in dramatic irony.

Impaired Casing
Jul 1, 2012

We don't make mistakes, just happy little accidents.

Demiurge4 posted:

I feel bad for you, it's one thing not being able to put down a book. But being hooked on a 10 book series is something else and will ruin your social life for weeks.

I can see why you said this. I usually read right before I go to bed, but this Gaunt series is killing me because I just keep reading and reading, and am too engrossed in it to actually fall asleep. I read nearly all of the Guns of Tanith last night, and finished it this morning.

lenoon posted:

Please do post whenever Abnett does something that makes you cry "NOOOOOOO" to an uncaring sky.

Pretty much the last 1/4 of Guns of Tanith had me going there. The scare with the last drop shuttle, Gol Kolea, and Cuu the bastard, not to mention the scares with Corbec and Soric! And with the way this book ended, it's not like I can just wait around before reading Straight Silver, because I have to know how these loose ends tie up.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

One of the books will make you stop reading for a day or two. But I'm not going to tell you which one

Gooses and Geeses
Jan 1, 2005

OH GOD WHY DIDN'T I LISTEN?

lenoon posted:

One of the books will make you stop reading for a day or two. But I'm not going to tell you which one

Interesting. Which one?

God do I love Gaunt books. More than anything.

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lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

You know the one. the carpenter

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