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Remote User
Nov 17, 2003

Hope deleted.

Captain Scandinaiva posted:

Apparently he's a bit of a genius..

Europa Universalis 3. Unless that's just too cruel.

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Geektox
Aug 1, 2012

Good people don't rip other people's arms off.
Anything like Legend of Grimrock in the sense of exploration, secrets and pacing? The perspective isn't important, but I really liked the puzzles and almost-turn-based combat.

Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.


Geektox posted:

You sir are a liar and I will not stand for this. :mad:

I can barely get past the mines. I'm so jealous.

Something which helped me "cross" that gap was learning to prioritize. Climbing Gloves and Lotsa Bombs is always better than getting something which [i]might[/b] useful. Similarly, all Shotgun all the Time.

I can only hope the 360 version will be ported to PC soon

Fergus Mac Roich
Nov 5, 2008

Soiled Meat

Geektox posted:

Anything like Legend of Grimrock in the sense of exploration, secrets and pacing? The perspective isn't important, but I really liked the puzzles and almost-turn-based combat.

Legend of Grimrock is extremely faithful to Dungeon Master and Eye of the Beholder. Play those games for sure.

Branching out into different types of combat, I recommend Ultima Underworld 1+2 and the King's Field series(starting with the first one released in the US). I should warn you, though, that King's Field is very hard when you're first starting out, and as it's fully 3D and came out early in the PSX's life cycle, it looks terrible and has very divisive gameplay(that I happen to enjoy quite a bit). If you can get into it, though, it's heavily focused on exploration and has absolute congeries of secrets.

Ultima Underworld is accessible by comparison and is probably one of the best and most innovative games ever. Sorry that these are all so old!

Leper Residue
Sep 28, 2003

To where no dog has gone before.

Fergus Mac Roich posted:

Legend of Grimrock is extremely faithful to Dungeon Master and Eye of the Beholder. Play those games for sure.

Branching out into different types of combat, I recommend Ultima Underworld 1+2 and the King's Field series(starting with the first one released in the US). I should warn you, though, that King's Field is very hard when you're first starting out, and as it's fully 3D and came out early in the PSX's life cycle, it looks terrible and has very divisive gameplay(that I happen to enjoy quite a bit). If you can get into it, though, it's heavily focused on exploration and has absolute congeries of secrets.

Ultima Underworld is accessible by comparison and is probably one of the best and most innovative games ever. Sorry that these are all so old!

Kings Field is an incredibly frustrating game, but you're right that the sense of exploration is great. I personally feel it's unmatched in its sense of exploration. You never know what might be around the corner, where there's a secret, and when you find something, it gives you this awesome feeling.

It is ugly as balls though.

TarKist
Oct 18, 2005

εν τούτω νίκα
I'm looking for a rogue-like or rpg 8bit game for PC that is actually good. I've played some stuff made in RPGmaker, but I'm not a big fan. I'm a big fan of the first Final Fantasy.

Also, I'd like to find a newer 2D rts if one exists. I've been searching forever and have found only a few that apparently aren't worth a download.

TarKist fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Feb 7, 2013

Knot My President!
Jan 10, 2005

Are there any PC games out that are similar to King's Bounty / Armored Princess? I love the combat system but at times I feel it's a bit slower than I'd like.

Fergus Mac Roich
Nov 5, 2008

Soiled Meat
What roguelikes have you played? There's lots of great ones out there from Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup to ToME to Angband.

Xovaan posted:

Are there any PC games out that are similar to King's Bounty / Armored Princess? I love the combat system but at times I feel it's a bit slower than I'd like.

Old Heroes of Might & Magic games, especially 3. People have been raving about that Eador game as well, check out the Gog.com thread for that.

TarKist
Oct 18, 2005

εν τούτω νίκα
Okay, those roguelikes are REALLY roguelike. I want dated graphics, but I don't want to Dwarf Fortress ASCII. Although, I may try those.

Edit- Didn't see ToME. That looks amazing. Thanks!

Fergus Mac Roich
Nov 5, 2008

Soiled Meat
Dungeon Crawl and Angband, like most roguelikes, have "tiles" packs you can download that gives them representational graphics, but it's still very primitive. For example: Not sure if that makes a difference for you.

TarKist
Oct 18, 2005

εν τούτω νίκα
Yeah, just saw that Angband comes with tile packs. I'm sure it'll be easier than Dorfort.

Knot My President!
Jan 10, 2005

Fergus Mac Roich posted:



Old Heroes of Might & Magic games, especially 3. People have been raving about that Eador game as well, check out the Gog.com thread for that.

Thanks for the suggestions; HoM&M looks pretty sweet! Does it have the hilariously steep learning curve of King's Bounty? Are the newer Might and Magic games worth playing as well?

dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006

Angband is a really primitive and horrible game, so those tiles are pretty fitting.

Tagra
Apr 7, 2006

If you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.


TarKist posted:

Okay, those roguelikes are REALLY roguelike. I want dated graphics, but I don't want to Dwarf Fortress ASCII. Although, I may try those.

Edit- Didn't see ToME. That looks amazing. Thanks!

You don't want Dungeon Crawl, you want "Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup". It's got a really good tileset and graphical interface.

I mean, really good for your typical roguelike, anyway.

ToME4 was pretty awesome too though. I hope more of them get placed into graphical interfaces so that they can start reaching new audiences.

Fergus Mac Roich
Nov 5, 2008

Soiled Meat

dis astranagant posted:

Angband is a really primitive and horrible game, so those tiles are pretty fitting.

Okay, I can see an argument for it maybe being a bit obsolete at this point but Angband is far from horrible. It's pretty much distilled roguelike spirit, in my opinion.


Tagra posted:

You don't want Dungeon Crawl, you want "Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup". It's got a really good tileset and graphical interface.

I mean, really good for your typical roguelike, anyway.

ToME4 was pretty awesome too though. I hope more of them get placed into graphical interfaces so that they can start reaching new audiences.

Maybe after Clockwork Empires(a city building management sim I think) Gaslamp will make a Dredmor sequel. I think that'd do really well, Dungeons of Dredmor had really broad appeal to non-roguelike audiences.

dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006

Yes, Angband is a really loving terrible grindy mess that borders on unplayable after playing anything from the last 10 years or so. The only thing it distills from the genre is everything one should avoid when designing a new one. There's nothing pushing the player to venture further and in fact plenty of reason for the player to stick around one place for ages. Included in that is just how much detailed outside knowledge you need to know just where you should be sitting around farming. And then there's the interface straight out of the 80s.

Deakul
Apr 2, 2012

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Xovaan posted:

Thanks for the suggestions; HoM&M looks pretty sweet! Does it have the hilariously steep learning curve of King's Bounty? Are the newer Might and Magic games worth playing as well?

King's Bounty had a learning curve?
I thought it was really easy to get into.

ClearAirTurbulence
Apr 20, 2010
The earth has music for those who listen.
"MotherLoad" is a free flash mining game that I was addicted to for a while. There's all kinds of ore you mine to buy upgrades for your mining robot so you can mine deeper for more valuable ore. It's pretty simple but you have to plan ahead so you don't get too deep to come back out when your fuel runs low.

"Dig and Rig" has really basic graphics and can be beaten in a few hours, but it has some features I haven't seen in other mining games - you not only have to upgrade your mining robot, but you have to build a conveyor system to bring out the ore you are mining.

"Rogue Survivor" is a really fun and detailed rogue-like game that has you surviving a zombie apocalypse. You'll scavenge for food, trade with and fight other survivors, build up and fortify your hideout, all kinds of fun stuff. The way the different factors play with each other can lead to some interesting emergent play...once I had a really nice fortified hideout that I was able to keep safe from zombies because I would enter it through a circuitous path that involved going through lots of doors and windows, so the undead would have a hard time following my scent trail back to my home. I came back to it once to find a zombie and a dead body in it and was able to piece together exactly what happened to ruin my hideout - a biker (hostile humans that show up later) had broken into my hideout through a boarded up window that I never used. Because he went straight into the hideout his scent drew a zombie that killed him. I had to move because it wasn't safe anymore, even if I boarded up the window there would still be his scent trail.

ClearAirTurbulence fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Feb 7, 2013

TarKist
Oct 18, 2005

εν τούτω νίκα
Thanks for the roguelikes, Fergus Mac Roich. They are better than what I thought I was looking for!

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
So not too long ago I built my first PC, and thanks to steam I've been growing my game library pretty steadily. However, I feel like I'm lacking a really good first/third person shooter that has a fun/quirky storyline and characters. Borderlands 2 seems pretty fun, but I don't have anyone to play it with, and that game in particular seems like it requires people to play with. I fuckin' love the mass effect series, but the gameplay in the other similar bioware games doesn't look nearly as fun. Is there something good I'm missing?

Also cheaper/a bit older are nice since I don't have a ton of money.

Fergus Mac Roich
Nov 5, 2008

Soiled Meat

Ruin Completely posted:

So not too long ago I built my first PC, and thanks to steam I've been growing my game library pretty steadily. However, I feel like I'm lacking a really good first/third person shooter that has a fun/quirky storyline and characters. Borderlands 2 seems pretty fun, but I don't have anyone to play it with, and that game in particular seems like it requires people to play with. I fuckin' love the mass effect series, but the gameplay in the other similar bioware games doesn't look nearly as fun. Is there something good I'm missing?

Also cheaper/a bit older are nice since I don't have a ton of money.

Binary Domain. Get it. Also, buy games when sales roll around if at all possible.

Leper Residue
Sep 28, 2003

To where no dog has gone before.

Ruin Completely posted:

So not too long ago I built my first PC, and thanks to steam I've been growing my game library pretty steadily. However, I feel like I'm lacking a really good first/third person shooter that has a fun/quirky storyline and characters. Borderlands 2 seems pretty fun, but I don't have anyone to play it with, and that game in particular seems like it requires people to play with. I fuckin' love the mass effect series, but the gameplay in the other similar bioware games doesn't look nearly as fun. Is there something good I'm missing?

Also cheaper/a bit older are nice since I don't have a ton of money.

If you do get the money, I strongly recommend Far Cry 3. Really good fps with light rpg elements. The story is pretty bleh, but the gameplay more than makes up for it.

I played Borderlands 2 by myself, and had plenty of fun with it. Co-op helps. but isn't necessary by any means like the first one.

Max Payne 3 isn't quirky in any way, but I personally found awesome.

Orcs Must Die series is a great, quirky, and really fun third person shooter.

And finally Portal 2. not really an FPS, but you should play it, because it's fantastic.

Ghetto Prince
Sep 11, 2010

got to be mellow, y'all

Thanks, this is really fun.

Burning Mustache
Sep 4, 2006

Zaeed got stories.
Kasumi got loot.
All I got was a hole in my suit.

Ruin Completely posted:

So not too long ago I built my first PC, and thanks to steam I've been growing my game library pretty steadily. However, I feel like I'm lacking a really good first/third person shooter that has a fun/quirky storyline and characters. Borderlands 2 seems pretty fun, but I don't have anyone to play it with, and that game in particular seems like it requires people to play with. I fuckin' love the mass effect series, but the gameplay in the other similar bioware games doesn't look nearly as fun. Is there something good I'm missing?

Also cheaper/a bit older are nice since I don't have a ton of money.

Borderlands 1 and 2 are perfectly fine to solo.
In fact, you'll likely get more of a chance to appreciate the dialogues and get to take your time to read all the quest text and all that stuff than with 3 people blathering over VOIP all the time and running all over the place and initiating / finishing quests without you being close by.

Give it a try, they're both excellent games and between 1 and 2 and all of the DLC you can easily sink 100 hours into the series just by playing through both once.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
Thank you all for the suggestions, with that reassurance I think I'll start with BL2 since there are some cheap keys in SA mart at the moment.

Both of the Portals are definitely great(played on 360). And yeah Max Payne 3 is fun, but it doesn't quite scratch the same itch something like borderlands does.

Danger Mahoney
Mar 19, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Anyone have some suggestions for games that are pretty much all about long, protracted boss battles? Something like Shadow of Colossus, or the cyberdemon level of the original Doom, or the last level of Serious Sam. FPS/RPG/whatever, I'm not picky.

pigdog
Apr 23, 2004

by Smythe

Xovaan posted:

Are there any PC games out that are similar to King's Bounty / Armored Princess? I love the combat system but at times I feel it's a bit slower than I'd like.

Did you find the combat speed option in the options menu? A lot of people didn't, it's really unintuitively placed somewhere inbetween graphics options.

Genpei Turtle
Jul 20, 2007

Danger Mahoney posted:

Anyone have some suggestions for games that are pretty much all about long, protracted boss battles? Something like Shadow of Colossus, or the cyberdemon level of the original Doom, or the last level of Serious Sam. FPS/RPG/whatever, I'm not picky.

The entire Monster Hunter series pretty much fits that to a T. The entire game revolves around long boss fights.

Noni
Jul 8, 2003
ASK ME ABOUT DEFRAUDING GOONS WITH HOT DOGS AND HOW I BANNED EPIC HAMCAT
Can you guys please recommend some big-budget PC games from the past 5 years that have gotten low reviews? I want to find some games that have escaped my radar, but that others still enjoy.

To cite an old example, I asked this question half a decade ago and you guys recommended The Bard's Tale, which was ranked at 60-something percent. Now, of course, it's a well-liked mobile game, which makes you guys look like goddamn psychics.

Fruits of the sea
Dec 1, 2010

Noni posted:

Can you guys please recommend some big-budget PC games from the past 5 years that have gotten low reviews? I want to find some games that have escaped my radar, but that others still enjoy.

To cite an old example, I asked this question half a decade ago and you guys recommended The Bard's Tale, which was ranked at 60-something percent. Now, of course, it's a well-liked mobile game, which makes you guys look like goddamn psychics.

Alpha Protocol

Evilreaver
Feb 26, 2007

GEORGE IS GETTIN' AUGMENTED!
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You want low reviews in a big budget game? Can't do better/worse than Damnation, with a whopping 41 metascore.

Evilreaver fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Feb 7, 2013

GreatGreen
Jul 3, 2007
That's not what gaslighting means you hyperbolic dipshit.

Ruin Completely posted:

So not too long ago I built my first PC, and thanks to steam I've been growing my game library pretty steadily. However, I feel like I'm lacking a really good first/third person shooter that has a fun/quirky storyline and characters. Borderlands 2 seems pretty fun, but I don't have anyone to play it with, and that game in particular seems like it requires people to play with. I fuckin' love the mass effect series, but the gameplay in the other similar bioware games doesn't look nearly as fun. Is there something good I'm missing?

Also cheaper/a bit older are nice since I don't have a ton of money.

I've really liked Warhammer 40k: Space Marine. Combat is visceral and fun as hell, and there is a relatively small but interesting cast of characters you get to interact with throughout the story. It's not a perfect game, but I can't remember the last shooter I played where the guns themselves were so fun to use, and the way the game seamlessly blends shooting and melee mechanics is incredibly well done and awesome. Here's a video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igkz2di9DtA
fast forward to 11:45 to see Captain Titus being a badass.


Danger Mahoney posted:

Anyone have some suggestions for games that are pretty much all about long, protracted boss battles? Something like Shadow of Colossus, or the cyberdemon level of the original Doom, or the last level of Serious Sam. FPS/RPG/whatever, I'm not picky.

It's not 100% about bosses like SotC is, but Dragon's Dogma has a ton of huge monsters to fight throughout the game that take several minutes each to kill. You'll fight a lot of the same huge things over and over in different environments, but they definitely feel more like boss/mini-boss battles than normal RPG enemies.

Noni
Jul 8, 2003
ASK ME ABOUT DEFRAUDING GOONS WITH HOT DOGS AND HOW I BANNED EPIC HAMCAT

Evilreaver posted:

You want low reviews in a big budget game? Can't do better/worse than Damnation, with a whopping 41 metascore.

Did you like this game? Sorry, I probably wasn't being clear enough. I want big games that are critical failures, but which were still enjoyed by goons.

Bouchacha
Feb 7, 2006

Hopefully I'm wrong but I don't notice too many games where you can run a business within an autonomous market. I'm thinking alone the lines of X3, where your factories can be supplied by AI traders. And Railroad Tycoon 3 where goods move along the map to where they need to be based on price, distance, and geography. You make money by facilitating that trek and can also participate directly by building factories. Basically I want to build stuff within a dynamic world full of AI agents.

Knot My President!
Jan 10, 2005

Deakul posted:

King's Bounty had a learning curve?
I thought it was really easy to get into.

It wasn't difficult but it took some learning to figure out that horde armies are terrible and dragons are the only unit that are worth anything. :saddowns:

pigdog posted:

Did you find the combat speed option in the options menu? A lot of people didn't, it's really unintuitively placed somewhere inbetween graphics options.

And yeah, after making that post I checked the menu and all is good now!

Nordick
Sep 3, 2011

Yes.

Xovaan posted:

Thanks for the suggestions; HoM&M looks pretty sweet! Does it have the hilariously steep learning curve of King's Bounty? Are the newer Might and Magic games worth playing as well?
Heroes of Might and Magic V is really good, on par with III.

Ruin Completely posted:

So not too long ago I built my first PC, and thanks to steam I've been growing my game library pretty steadily. However, I feel like I'm lacking a really good first/third person shooter that has a fun/quirky storyline and characters. Borderlands 2 seems pretty fun, but I don't have anyone to play it with, and that game in particular seems like it requires people to play with. I fuckin' love the mass effect series, but the gameplay in the other similar bioware games doesn't look nearly as fun. Is there something good I'm missing?

Also cheaper/a bit older are nice since I don't have a ton of money.
If you still have the same itch after you're done with BL2, get Bulletstorm. It's a regular FPS instead of a looter-action RPG like Borderlands, and has this gimmick of getting points (to buy stuff with) by killing enemies with "skillshots" that include such witty and clever stuff like "shoot them in the balls and kick their head off". It's actually a ton of fun. Also, it has a surprisingly good story and a cast of characters that just never shut the gently caress up. And that's fine, because the voice acting is top notch and the banter can get pretty hilarious. It's linear as hell, but that never bothered me while playing it because it's one hell of a ride.

Noni posted:

Can you guys please recommend some big-budget PC games from the past 5 years that have gotten low reviews? I want to find some games that have escaped my radar, but that others still enjoy.

To cite an old example, I asked this question half a decade ago and you guys recommended The Bard's Tale, which was ranked at 60-something percent. Now, of course, it's a well-liked mobile game, which makes you guys look like goddamn psychics.
As was already said, Alpha Protocol. It's probably the #1 underrated gem ever. Critics didn't like because of "hurka durka bad shootur" but it's really one of the better RPGs in recent years with an awesome storyline full of intertwining branches.

Nordick fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Feb 8, 2013

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph

Nordick posted:

If you still have the same itch after you're done with BL2, get Bulletstorm. It's a regular FPS instead of a looter-action RPG like Borderlands, and has this gimmick of getting points (to buy stuff with) by killing enemies with "skillshots" that include such witty and clever stuff like "shoot them in the balls and kick their head off". It's actually a ton of fun. Also, it has a surprisingly good story and a cast of characters that just never shut the gently caress up. And that's fine, because the voice acting is top notch and the banter can get pretty hilarious. It's linear as hell, but that never bothered me while playing it because it's one hell of a ride.

Thank you! I was thinking Bulletstorm might be interesting, and I recently saw a clip where Jennifer Hale tells Steve Blum that she's going to kill his dick, so I think that's all the motivation I need.

pigdog
Apr 23, 2004

by Smythe

Nordick posted:

Heroes of Might and Magic V is really good, on par with III.
I'd also like to second the recommendation for Eador to scratch your HOMM/King's Bounty/Master of Magic itch. It's similar but different, with levelling units, a LOT of fights, and a difficulty which for a HOMM veteran like me is just right at level 2... out of 7. It's also very addictive, and in its current incarnation doesn't require any 3D, so it can be played on older/laptop computers.

Rollersnake
May 9, 2005

Please, please don't let me end up in a threesome with the lunch lady and a gay pirate. That would hit a little too close to home.
Unlockable Ben
I'm looking for a good 2-player game, preferably casual and turn-based, that can be played on one DS or PSP (or two DSes with one copy of the game). I love Scrabble, but that's all I've got.

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Deakul
Apr 2, 2012

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Nordick posted:

Heroes of Might and Magic V is really good, on par with III.


This is literally the first time that I've ever heard this.
Everyone that I know seems that be of the belief that HoMM5 is completely inferior in every way.

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