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Schizotek posted:The new GW employee got in this week. He sucks I'm sorry to hear that. We got in a new store employee and she was better than the last guy they had managing the place (and he wasn't bad). I'm sad that I haven't gotten down there more often. Probably best to just go to the new place if they're cheaper and more friendly.
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does anyone have a photo of the nurgle heldrake conversion which looked like a squid? edit: nm found it 
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That...uhh...that looks like something I might want to do with mine. I haven't built the Heldrake yet and I have the Maulerfiend tentacles magnetized, so they could fit right on there.
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Seriously, that looks great. It would also probably be easier to transport 
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That is easily the best Helldrake I've seen.
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Cataphract posted:does anyone have a photo of the nurgle heldrake conversion which looked like a squid? I didn't want one until now. gently caress.
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Raphus C posted:Bonus- My olde Battlewagon with the base: ed: And don't forget the zap cannons (or whatever they were named). That mini of two boyz trying to point the head of a weirdboy in a warp trance in the general direction of the enemy is too funny not to include. ...someone make that army please 
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Cataphract posted:Bad retailers also let 30 year old men hang out in a toy store for hours at a time. The man children are the ones with disposable income. Given that he shops there and his friend does, it's pretty stupid to irritate your customer base. I was uncomfortable about Games Workshop stores as a kid and it wasn't because of the gamers who might have been weird, it was the horrible staff that sound like copies of this guy. If someone says "I don't like the car" while tyre kicking you don't say "get out then human being, this car is great" you say "well maybe this car is more your speed." The whole Games Workshop store experience is modeled on people going in and hanging out with gamers to paint/play and then making an impulse buy. People hanging out at the shop waiting for a friend who is also a gamer is loving impulse buy foot-traffic heaven.
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Cataphract posted:Yeah, well it's a retail outlet not really a place to loiter. If you weren't buying something or playing a game he has every right to suggest you don't hang out there. It's a hobby shop. They're different from regular retail outlets in that there's room to loiter, to hang out, to be part of the local scene. Indeed if he's a reason his mate shows up and his mate buys stuff regularly then it's technically good for business. Also, would he somehow be generating them revenue if he was playing a game there instead? Cataphract posted:Especially if your neck beard and manchild physique was scaring away the children and their mothers with pockets full of dollars. What are you doing?
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Fix posted:That is easily the best Helldrake I've seen. Agreed. That is so much better than the last Nurgle heldrake posted here, and it just edges out the sweet bat heldrake from pages back.
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Cataphract posted:does anyone have a photo of the nurgle heldrake conversion which looked like a squid? I loving love the Cthulhoid things you can do with those two kits. Like my moon-beast Maulerfiend!
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Feb 14, 2013 18:53
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The out of the box heldrake has a very Tzeneetchy look about it. Anybody seen a Khorned out heldrake or a Slaneesh heldrake with a bondage collar and vagomouth?
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Lord Thrust posted:The out of the box heldrake has a very Tzeneetchy look about it. Anybody seen a Khorned out heldrake or a Slaneesh heldrake with a bondage collar and vagomouth? For a Slaaneshi heldrake you could just glue wings to an anime figurine and call it a day.
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AgentF posted:It's a hobby shop. They're different from regular retail outlets in that there's room to loiter, to hang out, to be part of the local scene. Indeed if he's a reason his mate shows up and his mate buys stuff regularly then it's technically good for business. Also, would he somehow be generating them revenue if he was playing a game there instead? I honestly don't understand this position. Non of the other hobbies I do provide a place for me to do that hobby and hang out. If you loiter in a Guitar Center and just play their guitars and drums and don't buy anything they ask you to leave, even if you are really good and everyone is enjoying your playing. The only hobby I have done that has come close (other than 40k) to this is Magic the Gathering where the store provided space for Friday night magic. I think warhams over estimate the value of "the in store community" for selling the product. Its not like kids are coming into the store and saying "I need to by space barbies so I can hang out with those cool 26 year olds over there!" They come in to buy them because they are cool toys of the awesome video game they just played. Its not Games Workshop job to build and maintain the 40k community, its the players job. If Games Workshop wants to help, that is great and should be seen as an awesome bonus from them. If you want to have a place to play make one, if you want to meet new gamers host an event, and if you want to pass on the hobby to youth contact a youth group like boy scouts, church groups, or high school gaming clubs. Sometimes it feels like people feel entitled to all this stuff and I don't really understand why.
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Feb 14, 2013 20:01
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Yeah, but they don't need to be shits about it.
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JesusIsTehCool posted:I honestly don't understand this position. Non of the other hobbies I do provide a place for me to do that hobby and hang out. If you loiter in a Guitar Center and just play their guitars and drums and don't buy anything they ask you to leave, even if you are really good and everyone is enjoying your playing. The only hobby I have done that has come close (other than 40k) to this is Magic the Gathering where the store provided space for Friday night magic. I think warhams over estimate the value of "the in store community" for selling the product. Its not like kids are coming into the store and saying "I need to by space barbies so I can hang out with those cool 26 year olds over there!" They come in to buy them because they are cool toys of the awesome video game they just played. I agree with you in principle but GW has actively fostered that line of thinking so it's pretty lovely of them to talk out of one side of their mouth and say gently caress online retailers because community! while the other side says get out of our store this isn't some place for you to hang out!
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Yeah, I find it a little strange that they brand their stores as 'Games Workshop Hobby Centers' where, according to the website, 'each store provides gaming and painting facilities' and then try to shush people away from going there for gaming and painting.
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Let's all reach out to them and share our concerns on their Facebook page. Oh wait. They shut it down when they started getting criticized for the stupid space marine copyright poo poo.
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/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ That is goddamn funny and classic GW. You hire people to manage your social media and weather storms like the Space Marine(tm) debacle. You don't pack up and disappear. Little to no gaming space for anything other than demos, little to no hobby space, high pressure sales, and prices above what I can find online? Why wouldn't I want to go to my local GW store? Indolent Bastard fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Feb 14, 2013 |
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lenoon posted:Yeah, but they don't need to be shits about it. I whole heartily agree, GW has some of the worst staff and rudest customer service I have encountered. I have a feeling they must have some awful staff training guidelines.
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JesusIsTehCool posted:I whole heartily agree, GW has some of the worst staff and rudest customer service I have encountered. I have a feeling they must have some awful staff training guidelines. GW are not competing with your FLGS. They are competing with PP and the other min. companies. If you go to your FLGS to buy GW, GW wins. They may earn less per model, but they have not had to dedicate space and resources accommodating you. PP and other companies do not run stores all over the world where you can go and hang out. I do not see people making GBS threads on them for it. I think your problem is how GW have changed their use of their store space. If you don't like the change, don't go into the stores. Very few companies genuinely appreciate you as a human being. How nice they are to you depends on a calculation. How much more will I earn if our staff pretend like they give a poo poo? I bet GW treat children better than you. Newbies are worth more to them. They are selling by spreadsheets, similar to how most companies sell nowadays. Go to your FLGS. Help keep it open, play with better people and pick up some other hobbies whilst you are there. I have never, ever seen the attraction of GW stores. They are boring, full of GW poo poo and kids. FLGS are usually full of interesting stuff and people who are not 9-12. GW are being a business, they have done the calculations, you are not worth it to them.
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When I was 13 my brother (then 9) and I would play in m:tg events. I would find events happening in our local area and our mother would drop us off and then pick us up when we finished. As kids, we never really noticed that we were significantly younger than everyone else there, but looking back on it most of the other participants would have been in their early twenties to early thirties. Mum would always drop us off and come back to pick is up but she would wait outside till we were done. However, on one occasion, our dad came to pick us up. He walked into the scout hall at the moment when one of these men had placed my brother in a headlock (my brother had fire balled his wizard or something). The guy was being playful but my Dad flipped the gently caress out and he and my mother had massive arguments about her dropping us off to these events full of weird looking older guys who would manhandle their kids. We weren't allowed to go back and my brother and I stopped playing magic. A year later I see a GW store, my mum see's that it's full of kids we go inside talk to the staff and she buys my brother and I the Warhammer fantasy box set. 17 years later I'm still playing warhammer. I'm 31 now and I really enjoy my hobby but I'm mindful of the fact that GW is essentially a toy store and it's not really appropriate for me to go there to just hang out day after day. I don't want to be one of those guys who, although probably harmless, freak people's parents out and make them think that the hobby store isn't a safe environment for their kids. That's not to say I don't go to GW or play games there. Yesterday, I played a game of 40k in one of their stores but, I rang ahead spoke with the manager asked him what day of the week the store wasn't particularly busy and if it when it was ok for my friend and I to have a game there. I completely understand if it's GWs new policy to not have their adult customers loitering in the store. Too often I see the same grown men in those stores, every time I visit. they sit at the painting tables, they have poor personal hygiene and they make crude and offensive jokes and they just hang out there all day like it's a pub or something. It's really off putting and if this had been what a GW hobby store was like 17 years ago when my folks first brought me in they would have thought it was a place where sex pests go to steal children and ushered us out.
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counterspin posted:When GW opens a store near yours, they are 100% competing with you. This is even part of (or was) their business model. They'd get a FLGS to carry their product and build up a community, then eventually open a Games Workshop store down the street from you and steal all of your business. I worked in a comic/hobby store that did HUGE warhammer numbers in the 90s, and that's exactly what happened to us.
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Manifest posted:This is even part of (or was) their business model. Then once the market is saturated and sales decline they close the store; and you are left with no GW, no FLGS, and a bunch of models, YAY! (Not such an issue now that the internet has allowed for easier meet ups and groups, but back in the 90's it was pretty rough not having a local place to congregate).
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I love that Heldrake conversion but I can't help but see googly eyes. Think I would have to try and make them look like compound eyes rather than glossy black with a light rim.
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Miles O'Brian posted:I love that Heldrake conversion but I can't help but see googly eyes. Think I would have to try and make them look like compound eyes rather than glossy black with a light rim. But it's a squid not a bug!
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ghetto wormhole posted:But it's a squid not a bug! I think I'm going to do one using 4 of the big eyes from the chaos spawn kit. 
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I was considering using the Krieg Centaur Light Assault Carrier for counts-as Chimeras, but it seems to me there are a bit of a size difference to the two:quote:The main issue that I can see is the size difference between the two; the Centaur is about 90 mm long (including the blades mounted on the front) and 58 mm wide, whereas the Chimera is 115 mm long and 78 mm wide. Would you object to this, if you were up against a player doing this? I would, of course, give the benefit of the doubt to my opponent if there is any discussion whether or not it gets a cover save.
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TheBlobThing posted:I was considering using the Krieg Centaur Light Assault Carrier for counts-as Chimeras, but it seems to me there are a bit of a size difference to the two: I wouldn't mind but you should definite have a wall of guardsmen pressed against it to bulk it out.
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JesusIsTehCool posted:I honestly don't understand this position. Non of the other hobbies I do provide a place for me to do that hobby and hang out. If you loiter in a Guitar Center and just play their guitars and drums and don't buy anything they ask you to leave, even if you are really good and everyone is enjoying your playing. The only hobby I have done that has come close (other than 40k) to this is Magic the Gathering where the store provided space for Friday night magic. I think warhams over estimate the value of "the in store community" for selling the product. Its not like kids are coming into the store and saying "I need to by space barbies so I can hang out with those cool 26 year olds over there!" They come in to buy them because they are cool toys of the awesome video game they just played. My father owned a small music shop. People who come in and bang on stuff and put wear and tear on instruments are annoying. People who are just browsing weren't a problem. I've never gotten poo poo just for going to look around in my local GW, but I also don't waste anyone's time. If I'm just browsing I say that, and they tend to leave me alone. I don't know the whole story of the guy who started this discussion, but it doesn't sound like he was being a jerk or anything. JesusIsTehCool posted:Its not Games Workshop job to build and maintain the 40k community, its the players job. If Games Workshop wants to help, that is great and should be seen as an awesome bonus from them. If you want to have a place to play make one, if you want to meet new gamers host an event, and if you want to pass on the hobby to youth contact a youth group like boy scouts, church groups, or high school gaming clubs. Sometimes it feels like people feel entitled to all this stuff and I don't really understand why. They don't have to, but it drives sales. Most other hobbies aren't like warhammer. I can play guitar on my own, and it's orders of magnitude less niche to play an instrument. If there's no warhammer community, I don't play, and therefore I don't buy. Warhammer is great, but it isn't so great that I'd do it while at the same time trying to start up a community on my own. I don't feel any sense of entitlement here. It's either there or it isn't and whether GW gets my money is dependent on that. There are plenty of cheaper alternatives out there, but ease of finding opponents is one of the major perks with warhammer. Raphus C posted:GW are not competing with your FLGS. They are competing with PP and the other min. companies. If you go to your FLGS to buy GW, GW wins. They may earn less per model, but they have not had to dedicate space and resources accommodating you. PP and other companies do not run stores all over the world where you can go and hang out. I do not see people making GBS threads on them for it. And that's why I've never seen warmahordes being played anywhere, ever. Raphus C posted:I think your problem is how GW have changed their use of their store space. If you don't like the change, don't go into the stores. Very few companies genuinely appreciate you as a human being. How nice they are to you depends on a calculation. How much more will I earn if our staff pretend like they give a poo poo? I bet GW treat children better than you. Newbies are worth more to them. They are selling by spreadsheets, similar to how most companies sell nowadays. Seems silly when it's completely trivial and expected in every retail establishment for the employees to act friendly. Newbies may be worth more to them, but you don't go out of your way to snub other customers. Raphus C posted:Go to your FLGS. Help keep it open, play with better people and pick up some other hobbies whilst you are there. I have never, ever seen the attraction of GW stores. They are boring, full of GW poo poo and kids. FLGS are usually full of interesting stuff and people who are not 9-12. GW are being a business, they have done the calculations, you are not worth it to them. I've never seen anyone under 16 in our GW store that wasn't accompanied by an adult who was the actual warhammer player. I've never seen anyone under 16 playing a game in store. Maybe my area is weird? More kids at the FLGS playing magic. Cataphract posted:When I was 13 my brother (then 9) and I would play in m:tg events. I would find events happening in our local area and our mother would drop us off and then pick us up when we finished. As kids, we never really noticed that we were significantly younger than everyone else there, but looking back on it most of the other participants would have been in their early twenties to early thirties. I guess I understand if your GW store is just used for babysitting. I'd feel weird too if there were a bunch of children there. That said, you should be careful not to generalize your experience to everyone else. You're Australian? I don't know if it's a regional thing, but where I'm at, the GW store is rarely inhabited by children (aside from manchildren  ). No one stinks, but a few of them have questionable fashion sense. Our store regularly holds campaigns for fantasy and 40k and the manager encourages all players to come in and participate. She even makes up a monthly events calendar.
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Improbable Lobster posted:I wouldn't mind but you should definite have a wall of guardsmen pressed against it to bulk it out. Getting there... Getting there...
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Cataphract posted:I think I'm going to do one using 4 of the big eyes from the chaos spawn kit. Those spawn look awesome by the way. How did you do the skin?
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humannature posted:My father owned a small music shop. People who come in and bang on stuff and put wear and tear on instruments are annoying. People who are just browsing weren't a problem. I've never gotten poo poo just for going to look around in my local GW, but I also don't waste anyone's time. If I'm just browsing I say that, and they tend to leave me alone. I don't know the whole story of the guy who started this discussion, but it doesn't sound like he was being a jerk or anything. I agree that there is no real issue with browsing, but browsing suggests that you might actually buy something then leave. I doubt your dad would have been cool with me and my friend just chilling in his shop for hours at a time and rarely buying anything. While some people can just be cool (which sounds like most goons can), some are not and are bad for sales. Its much easier to just put a hard ban on people chilling in the store then to sort out the good ones from the bad. humannature posted:They don't have to, but it drives sales. Most other hobbies aren't like warhammer. I can play guitar on my own, and it's orders of magnitude less niche to play an instrument. If there's no warhammer community, I don't play, and therefore I don't buy. Warhammer is great, but it isn't so great that I'd do it while at the same time trying to start up a community on my own. I don't feel any sense of entitlement here. It's either there or it isn't and whether GW gets my money is dependent on that. There are plenty of cheaper alternatives out there, but ease of finding opponents is one of the major perks with warhammer. If there is a Games Workshop around doesn't mean there is already people playing the game in that area? How else is the store staying open unless people are buying their product? I know most stores have facebook pages and sometimes bulletin boards so it can't be that hard to track down other players who are looking to play games. I always assumed that people played Warhammer 40k because the fluff is really good and the models while expensive are pretty cool, and that is why it had more players than other games.
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humannature posted:Those spawn look awesome by the way. How did you do the skin? It's really easy. Base coat Flesh, cover the thing in red wash, lightly drybrush flesh and then use uneven blobs of green and purple washes in different places.
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Yeah, but I work internationally, so I have visited GW stores across the UK, US, New Zealand and Sweden... My experience is that the places are generally packed with kids during school holidays and after school hours. Also, most of the stores are one man operations now with small footprints... All I'm really saying is that I can understand what's going on. GW shuffles the managers around and gives them the mandate that they need to try and shift the loiterers out of the store. Then when the new manage tries to execute this mandate the people get upset because "the visit the store every day on their lunch break": not realising that the problem is that they hang out there every day.
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counterspin posted:When GW opens a store near yours, they are 100% competing with you. It appears as though GW are moving to a different market. The FLGS are going for everyone who is interested, GW now seems to focus on kids. GW are letting your FLGS focus on veterans. So, they are competing but GW look to be narrowing the customer base they are competing over. GW do this because the FLGS or internet will still be selling GW product. GW will have a spreadsheet that will tell them how much value per customer they get from Vets as opposed to newbies. They have presumably found out that newbies are spending more and are more valuable. If they are cutting staff, they look to be focusing on the higher value targets. humannature posted:Seems silly when it's completely trivial and expected in every retail establishment for the employees to act friendly. Newbies may be worth more to them, but you don't go out of your way to snub other customers. Yes, it is beyond stupid to piss a customer off. I have no idea why GW seem to be doing this. Vets may spend less, but they still spend. You can tell someone to leave politely, if you are not a moron. humannature posted:I've never seen anyone under 16 in our GW store that wasn't accompanied by an adult who was the actual warhammer player. I've never seen anyone under 16 playing a game in store. Maybe my area is weird? More kids at the FLGS playing magic. I live in Birmingham UK, when I go to the GW shop it is always a majority of kids in there. Everytime. It will, of course, vary region to region and shop to shop. I have spent the entire day building a Mega-Dread from scratch. I have got both feet to 80%. It's going to be good.
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