Fluo posted:

The cellar under Parliament.

LP97S posted:

Cromwell was a ethnic cleansing maniac and the fact that he's praised to this day is a travesty. I pray that British Republicanism completely abandon the fucker.

Spiderfist Island posted:

This may be me as an American speaking, but an unelected noble ruling with near-absolute power who unilaterally passed on his "Lord Protectorship" to his son isn't exactly a stunning example of Republicanism in any sense of the word. He also literally banned Christmas.

If a genocidal nobleman is the best the British can come up with for a inspirational anti-monarchical figure, then they really should try and create a better one to aspire to in the present.

Smirr posted:

Errr.


His Imperial Majesty Napoleon I, By the Grace of God and the Constitutions of the Republic, Emperor of the French.


Emperor Napoleon III chilling with Otto Bismarck.

The French are hardly poster children for getting rid of monarchy. They had to do that twice, the first time resulting in absolute chaos for a decade and then another monarch, and the second time, it only happened because Prussia kicked their teeth in and took the emperor captive. In 1870. 81 years after the Revolution, 78 years after the abolition of monarchy. Napoleon III had even been president of France before he decided that he would really rather prefer to be emperor.

What I'm getting at is that "If you're gonna shoot, shoot! Don't talk!"

LP97S posted:

Can we keep talking about more royalty popping up and therefore invalidating republics?

Charles Napoléon, of the Napoleon line (Napoleon III)




Try as the might they can't do poo poo for now.

Kurtofan posted:

Actually Charles Napoléon is a Republican and a centrist politician and stated that he isn't interested in the throne of his ancestor.

During the mayoral election of Ajaccio he teamed up with the Social Democratic candidate and now mayor Simon Renucci against the traditional Bonapartist right wing of Corsican politics.

His son Jean-Christophe however is interested in the throne and is considered by some as the rightful claimant to the throne of Napoleon:



Not that any of that matter since they have no way of coming back.

Fluo posted:

However before the English civil wars were the infamous gunpowder plot (1605).

A contemporary engraving of eight of the thirteen conspirators, by Crispijn van de Passe. Missing are Digby, Keyes, Rookwood, Grant, and Tresham.


The cellar under Parliament.

Kurtofan posted:

Actually Charles Napoléon is a Republican and a centrist politician and stated that he isn't interested in the throne of his ancestor.

During the mayoral election of Ajaccio he teamed up with the Social Democratic candidate and now mayor Simon Renucci against the traditional Bonapartist right wing of Corsican politics.

His son Jean-Christophe however is interested in the throne and is considered by some as the rightful claimant to the throne of Napoleon:



Not that any of that matter since they have no way of coming back.

LP97S posted:

COUNTIN THE BILLIES posted:

Sometimes this city owns

https://twitter.com/kathrynschulz/status/303165793619808256/photo/1

Smirr posted:

His Imperial Majesty Napoleon I, By the Grace of God and the Constitutions of the Republic, Emperor of the French.

ekuNNN posted:

Caroline Holland, born in 1849, posted:

One night [in 1861] atter we had all gone to bed I heered a noise at de window, an' when I look up dere wuz a man a climbin' in. He wuz a friend of the family. I could tell eben do I could scarce see him, I knowed he wuz a friend of the family. I could hear my mistis a breathin', an' de baby wuz soun' asleep too. I started to yell out but I thought dat de friend of the family would kill us so I jes' kep' quit. He come in de window, an' he see us a sleepin' dere, an' all of a sudden I knowed who it wuz. 'Jade,' I whispers, 'What you a doin' here?' He come to my bed and put his rough han' ober my mouf.
'Listen you black pickaninny, you tell em dat you saw me here an' I'll kill you,' he say, 'I th'ow yo' hide to de snakes in de swamp. Now shet up.'
Wid dat he went to de dresser an' taken mistis' money bag. Atter dat he went to de window an' climb down de ladder an' I didn't do nothin' but shake myself nearly to death fum fright. De nex' day de oberseer an' de pattyrollers went a searchin' th'ough de slave quarters an' dey foun' de money bag under Jade's cot. Dey tuk him an' whupped him for near fifteen minutes. We could hear him holla way up at de big house. Jade, he neber got ober dat whuppin'. He died three days later. He wuz a good friend of the family, 'peer to me lak, an' de bes' blacksmith in de whole county. I kep'a-wonderin' whut made him want ter steal dat purse. Den I foun' out later dat he wuz a goin' to pay a white man ter carry him ober de line to de No'thern States. Jade jus' had too big ideas fo' a friend of the family.

Spiderfist Island posted:

If a genocidal nobleman is the best the British can come up with for a inspirational anti-monarchical figure, then they really should try and create a better one to aspire to in the present.

quote:

"The power of enclosing land and owning property was brought into the creation by your ancestors by the sword; which first did murder their fellow creatures, men, and after plunder or steal away their land, and left this land successively to you, their children. And therefore, though you did not kill or thieve, yet you hold that cursed thing in your hand by the power of the sword; and so you justify the wicked deeds of your fathers, and that sin of your fathers shall be visited upon the head of you and your children to the third and fourth generation, and longer too, till your bloody and thieving power be rooted out of the land."

cloudchamber posted:

And there was also Gerrard Winstanley the leader of the Diggers, a group that advocated radical land reform attempting to save common land that was being enroached by enclosures.

Spiderfist Island posted:

If a genocidal nobleman is the best the British can come up with for a inspirational anti-monarchical figure, then they really should try and create a better one to aspire to in the present.

no_one posted:

The story goes (I've no idea if it is true or not), that the Crown Prosecution Service were rather insistent that they had a statement from PC Peach, despite being told several times PC Peach was actually PD Peach, a Police dog, so the case handler sent them this:

Grand Prize Winner posted:

Anyone know stuff about Guatemala? Because apparently this guy is their president.



Wailing on an AKtar.

quote:

Pérez is a graduate of Guatemala's National Military Academy (Escuela Politécnica),[4] the School of the Americas[5] and of the Inter-American Defense College.[6] During his time in the army he served in the notoriously brutal special forces (known as the Kaibiles), as director of military intelligence, and inspector-general of the army. In 1983 he was a member of the group of army officers who backed Defence Minister Óscar Mejía's coup d'état against de facto president Efraín Ríos Montt. While serving as chief of military intelligence in 1993, he was instrumental in forcing the departure of President Jorge Serrano after Serrano attempted a "self-coup" by dissolving Congress and appointing new members to the Guatemalan Supreme Court. In the wake of that incident, Guatemala's human rights ombudsman, Ramiro de León Carpio, became president and appointed Pérez as his presidential chief of staff, a position he held until 1995. Considered a leader of the Guatemalan Army faction that favored a negotiated resolution of the 30-year-long Civil War,[7] Perez represented the military in the negotiations with guerrilla forces that led to the 1996 Peace Accords.[8] Between 1998 and 2000 he represented Guatemala on the Inter-American Defense Board.

...

Genocide and torture allegations
United States' National Security Archives provide evidence of Pérez Molina's involvement in the military dictator Efraín Ríos Montt's scorched earth campaigns of the 1980s.[12] He was put in charge of counterinsurgency in the Ixil Community in 1982-3, when 80-90% of the villages were razed. At least 184 civilians were killed or disappeared during his deployment. [13] [14]
In July 2011, the indigenous organization Waqib Kej presented a letter to the United Nations accusing Pérez of involvement in genocide and torture committed in Quiché during the Guatemalan Civil War.[15] [16][17] Among other evidence, they cited a 1982 documentary in which a military officer whom they claim is Pérez is seen near 4 dead bodies. In the following scene, a subordinate says that those 4 were captured alive and taken "to the Major" (allegedly Pérez Molina) and that "they wouldn't talk, not when we asked nicely and not when we were mean [ni por las buenas ni por las malas]."[18]
Pérez denies his involvement in any atrocities. "I have nothing to hide," he told Reuters and said he was proud of his role in the civil war.[13] Pérez has never been charged with any human rights violations; however, he is the subject of a new investigation into the disappearance of Efraín Bámaca led by Guatemala's top prosecutor. [19]

Earth posted:

I loved the critique movie of the royal family and how they are actually costing a gently caress ton.

whiteshark12 posted:

Except that they don't cost a gently caress ton, and actually arguably make millions of £ in tourism. Everyone really should watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhyYgnhhKFw

Nehru the Damaja posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2IO5ifWKdw

Nehru the Damaja posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2IO5ifWKdw

Earth posted:

Ladies and gentlemen, A Bad Poster. Monarchy is terrible, and should be dismantled.

JerkyBunion posted:

System Metternich posted:

e: Almost forgot to ask, but I couldn't find out what happened to the plantation owners after the war. They did retain/rebuild their political and economical influence, I guess, but did their milieu dissolve at some point ot are there still planter families around somewhere?

Smirr posted:

The French are hardly poster children for getting rid of monarchy. They had to do that twice, the first time resulting in absolute chaos for a decade and then another monarch, and the second time, it only happened because Prussia kicked their teeth in and took the emperor captive. In 1870. 81 years after the Revolution, 78 years after the abolition of monarchy. Napoleon III had even been president of France before he decided that he would really rather prefer to be emperor.

What I'm getting at is that "If you're gonna shoot, shoot! Don't talk!"

Omi-Polari posted:

This is Maximilian von Götzen-Itúrbide, the current pretender to the imperial throne of Mexico. The reason he lives in Europe and not Mexico is that two of his ancestors, and the only two monarchs in Mexican history, were both executed by firing squads at different times. The second and last one was installed by Napoleon III after France invaded in 1864, taking advantage of the U.S.'s distraction in the civil war.