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The other problem is that a lot of the laws as set in the comics are there in order to provide a satirical take on policing or aspects of the real world. Dredd busting a sugar dealing ring might work fine in a comic book setting but as a live action movie will just come across as silly. Same with the bum, had Dredd specifically sentenced the guy for loitering/begging immediately then audience sympathy for Dredd evaporates really drat fast. But giving him a single chance to move on makes him more a "brutal and harsh lawman for good reason but doesn't seem THAT unfair."
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Nutsngum posted:The other problem is that a lot of the laws as set in the comics are there in order to provide a satirical take on policing or aspects of the real world. Dredd busting a sugar dealing ring might work fine in a comic book setting but as a live action movie will just come across as silly. Or arresting a ring of people who are selling 2000 AD comics. The early stories are really silly.
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NESguerilla posted:Didn't you just say you hated it? Aslo, how is it libertarian in any way shape or form? I never said I hated it. I said I had preconceived notions of what to expect and they were fulfilled. I can see how that could be misunderstood though. As for the libertarian thing, I've got nothing. It was a flippant post made early in the morning right after watching the movie and was not very well thought out. For a bit more content, I thought Lena Headey did a great job, I didn't realize it was her until the credits at the end. I also loved the decision to reference 'Isocubes' several times without ever explaining what they were.
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Nutsngum posted:The other problem is that a lot of the laws as set in the comics are there in order to provide a satirical take on policing or aspects of the real world. Dredd busting a sugar dealing ring might work fine in a comic book setting but as a live action movie will just come across as silly." In the movie, they were arresting people for the crime of bullet time. It is very silly.
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wyoming posted:In the movie, they were arresting people for the crime of bullet time.
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Feb 16, 2013 13:27
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wyoming posted:In the movie, they were arresting people for the crime of bullet time. Bullet Crime.
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wyoming posted:In the movie, they were arresting people for the crime of bullet time.
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Payndz posted:Hard to see where they'd find the time to carry out a Crime Blitz, though. "17 murders, five rapes, 23 robberies... nah, let's take a squad of Judges and rip some schlub's apartment to pieces looking for overdue library books and non-synthetic coffee." Illegal coffee is a crime, you criminal. 12 months in the iso-cubes. Dan Didio posted:Bullet Crime. Don't do the bullet crime if you can't do the bullet time. got any sevens fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Feb 16, 2013 |
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KoRMaK posted:I feel like this is a joke, but I can't resist pointing out The War On Drugs(tm) like Kegluneq did. It's more "The War, On Drugs", really.
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effectual posted:Don't do the bullet crime if you can't do the bullet time. I think we have the tag-line for our spec script. EDIT: I'd like to think that 'isocubes' is a portmanteau that anyone could parse and probably figure out what they mean from the implication.
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Dan Didio posted:EDIT: I'd like to think that 'isocubes' is a portmanteau that anyone could parse and probably figure out what they mean from the implication. I'd really like to as well. 
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The blu-ray finally gets released around these parts in about four days... Can't wait! Haven't been this excited to see a movie again, after seeing at the cinema, for a long time!
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counterfeitsaint posted:Isocubes
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I completely missed that this movie was coming out. I saw a poster for it at one local theater just after it was released, and it was gone the week later. I saw it bombed, assumed it was terrible. Rented it last night. Loved it. Checked the reviews, generally positive. Whoever ran the marketing for this failed, hard. I assume a sequel is out of the question, given how it did in theaters.
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Maneck posted:I completely missed that this movie was coming out. I saw a poster for it at one local theater just after it was released, and it was gone the week later. I saw it bombed, assumed it was terrible. Just have to wait and see. Its doing very well in the rental and home video market so that may drive a sequel to be made.
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Payndz posted:Hard to see where they'd find the time to carry out a Crime Blitz, though. "17 murders, five rapes, 23 robberies... nah, let's take a squad of Judges and rip some schlub's apartment to pieces looking for overdue library books and non-synthetic coffee." Another book, Codes of the Underworld, says that Italy has so many laws that everybody is a sinner and thus bonds based on blackmail are rife in Italy. Baron Bifford fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Feb 18, 2013 |
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I am re-watching the movie yet again and one bit has always stood out as what I'd presume to be an attempt to make Dredd more sympathetic than his comic version. During the opening chase, Dredd refers to someone as "an innocent" rather than as "a citizen". It is a bizarre difference and I haven't spotted anything that follows it up in the rest of the movie except, possibly, Dredd not arresting the homeless guy immediately.
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Baron Bifford posted:BTW, in Mega-City One, is there a right to remain silent? rejutka posted:I am re-watching the movie yet again and one bit has always stood out as what I'd presume to be an attempt to make Dredd more sympathetic than his comic version. During the opening chase, Dredd refers to someone as "an innocent" rather than as "a citizen".
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rejutka posted:I am re-watching the movie yet again and one bit has always stood out as what I'd presume to be an attempt to make Dredd more sympathetic than his comic version. During the opening chase, Dredd refers to someone as "an innocent" rather than as "a citizen". I thought the guy referred to as "an innocent" got hit because he was jaywalking, he was wearing headphones while walking, and didn't look both ways before crossing the street, which would make him a criminal.
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Alcholism Rocks posted:I thought the guy referred to as "an innocent" got hit because he was jaywalking, he was wearing headphones while walking, and didn't look both ways before crossing the street, which would make him a criminal. I don't remember all those details but that'so funny if true. Still, I don't think Dredd had time to see that and even if he had he wouldn't approve vigilante punshment, especially since those aren't execution worthy.
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Alcholism Rocks posted:I thought the guy referred to as "an innocent" got hit because he was jaywalking, he was wearing headphones while walking, and didn't look both ways before crossing the street, which would make him a criminal. Yep. I presume it's a bit of dialogue from a version when they were trying to make Dredd more sympathetic and it got overlooked or something by the time they filmed it.
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rejutka posted:Yep. I presume it's a bit of dialogue from a version when they were trying to make Dredd more sympathetic and it got overlooked or something by the time they filmed it. I wonder if that was put in there as satire or not. It's a very quick and minor part of the scene...
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He was innocent because Dredd wasn't arresting him.
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It's not there so we can see if the terminology of Mega City One is 1:1 accurate to the comics. It's there so we can see that Dredd leaves a guy destroyed by a car to his own device until help arrives instead of staying with him.
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moths posted:He was innocent because Dredd wasn't arresting him. yeah, isn't it true that Dredd doesn't care if the victims of other crimes are criminals? It could still be manslaughter. Dredd would prosecute the jaywalker also if he was still alive. "innocent" is a very strange word choice, but I thought it referred to people who got hit by stray gunfire. I really need to watch this again.
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moths posted:He was innocent because Dredd wasn't arresting him. Yeah I took it like that too. I don't like the "everyone is a criminal for some petty reason" interpretation of mega city one law, I like the idea that judges literally make the law with their presence. If judge says you're innocent, you're innocent. If he says you're a criminal, you're a criminal. Like Andersons decision with the hacker at the end. Dredd lets him go in accordance with Andersons ruling before questioning why she made the call she did. massive spider fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Feb 19, 2013 |
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rejutka posted:Yep. I presume it's a bit of dialogue from a version when they were trying to make Dredd more sympathetic and it got overlooked or something by the time they filmed it. I can't get the disc to play on my PC, but I thought the pedestrian was either hit deliberately or only hit because the perps were driving recklessly.
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Alcholism Rocks posted:I wonder if that was put in there as satire or not. It's a very quick and minor part of the scene... The satire is that the erratic driving and shooting out the window at the Judge pursuing them was already putting countless lives at risk, but Dredd doesn't bother to take an aggressive "I'm taking them down!" approach until they've actually killed someone.
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Tripwyre posted:The satire is that the erratic driving and shooting out the window at the Judge pursuing them was already putting countless lives at risk, but Dredd doesn't bother to take an aggressive "I'm taking them down!" approach until they've actually killed someone. Maybe the academy teaches judges, as part of their judiciary power of interpreting the law, a sort of institutionalized corruption. Make the report sound the best for stacking up as much charges against the suspect as possible. It's interesting as gently caress though that someone here pointed out "jaywalking, not looking both ways, etc" because until this thread I didn't make that connection relative to how it was any different than the vagrant. e: Actually I guess it's not that different than present day Police in the US. KoRMaK fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Feb 19, 2013 |
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I attended a small Q&A with Paul Leonard Morgan today & he revealed that he closely collaborated on the soundtrack with Alex Garland - who was constantly on him, & it took 3 months to make which was way longer than normal. They showed the ending of Dredd to showcase some of his music, major spoiler alert there.  His next project is Despicable Me 2 so that'll be different.
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Maneck posted:I completely missed that this movie was coming out. I saw a poster for it at one local theater just after it was released, and it was gone the week later. I saw it bombed, assumed it was terrible. I really enjoyed Dredd, but didn't see it at the cinema. I think in the UK a huge part of the reason for it being overlooked was because it was only released in 3D, which a lot of people are so sick of by now, and Total Recall was out at the same time. I went and saw Total Recall because I'm a cheapass and didn't want to pay the extra ££ for the 3D movie, but Dredd was the much better film.
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BisonDollah posted:I attended a small Q&A with Paul Leonard Morgan today & he revealed that he closely collaborated on the soundtrack with Alex Garland - who was constantly on him, & it took 3 months to make which was way longer than normal. They showed the ending of Dredd to showcase some of his music, major spoiler alert there. God that's a good soundtrack. I'm listening to it right now, that horrible transistor fuzz on the guitars is fantastic.
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I saw this the other night at a friend's house and was really amazed at how much I liked it. I was one of the rare films I've seen which seemed to be made for me, like they reached into my head and put in all the stuff I like to see. They made decisions that weren't obvious and even though there were a lot of action tropes there it was the way it was handled that made it great. It would have been so easy to mess it up by doing an origin story or forcibly injecting a bland Hollywood guy to provide some lovely sexual tension and at every opportunity they took the high road and made a really beautiful, compact, engaging film. So like most of my favorite things it failed and left me despairing of a sequel I'd actually want to see. And I can't watch the bluray on my player because the firmware needs updating but the update won't work. Injustice! I need to get on the phone with Philips customer support.
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Great movie, but how come when that bad guy had Anderson in the elevator and said "You're hosed" she didn't jump into his mind and make him wet his pants again?
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HaroldofTheRock posted:Great movie, but how come when that bad guy had Anderson in the elevator and said "You're hosed" she didn't jump into his mind and make him wet his pants again? Well, we're not sure how the whole mind thing works exactly. So we'd have to assume that there would be some chance of him simply pulling the trigger on her. It doesn't freeze her victims into place, unable to move. Apparently.
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HaroldofTheRock posted:Great movie, but how come when that bad guy had Anderson in the elevator and said "You're hosed" she didn't jump into his mind and make him wet his pants again? Because then she wouldn't get a cool action scene, and instead would just escape by doing the exact same thing she did earlier and it would be super boring and uninteresting.
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Crappy Jack posted:Because then she wouldn't get a cool action scene, and instead would just escape by doing the exact same thing she did earlier and it would be super boring and uninteresting. Plus, the fact that Kay was in handcuffs and in the same room as Dredd the first time likely made him feel more overwhelmed, making it easier for Anderson to win a mental battle with him. In the case we're discussing, he was perfectly safe while Anderson had a gun to her head, not to mention he had already experienced her powers and would have known what was coming. It's just speculation, but that would likely make her unable to properly focus.
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BreakAtmo posted:Plus, the fact that Kay was in handcuffs and in the same room as Dredd the first time likely made him feel more overwhelmed, making it easier for Anderson to win a mental battle with him. In the case we're discussing, he was perfectly safe while Anderson had a gun to her head, not to mention he had already experienced her powers and would have known what was coming. It's just speculation, but that would likely make her unable to properly focus. She could have also been spooked and panicked from having a gun to her head, not to mention how quickly the whole situation happened anyway. There are all number of reasons.
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Yeah, it's kind of silly to extrapolate from the mind torture scene that she can just up and mind blast a guy to his knees at the drop of a hat.
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BreakAtmo posted:Plus, the fact that Kay was in handcuffs and in the same room as Dredd the first time likely made him feel more overwhelmed, making it easier for Anderson to win a mental battle with him. In the case we're discussing, he was perfectly safe while Anderson had a gun to her head, not to mention he had already experienced her powers and would have known what was coming. It's just speculation, but that would likely make her unable to properly focus. Not to mention that playing mind games doesn't change the physical situation. What if Kay gets tense and unconsciously clenches a fist?
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