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Cataphract posted:Some might argue that followers of khorne who sit at the back of the battle away from the slaughter and carnage are not true followers of khorne. Some would be incorrect.
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Cataphract posted:Some might argue that followers of khorne who sit at the back of the battle away from the slaughter and carnage are not true followers of khorne. I'd agree with you but now some Bloodletters glued a cannon to the back of a car with a slug instead of a hood 
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Feb 20, 2013 08:46
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MasterSlowPoke posted:There's literally a Khornate hot rod any you nerds hate it?! Someone make a Khorne version of this please: 
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Feb 20, 2013 08:57
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The Gate posted:The only thing that I think the new book is lacking is some new non-daemony stuff. Heldrake is awesome, but it would take a fair amount of work to 'un-daemon' that thing by most people if they wanted, just, some jet fighter thing. Which is too bad that they're sort of lumping it together because a Chaos Daemons in 40k could have taken some of that stuff for people who really wanted it, and the CSM book could have had more 'normal' chaos stuff. Well, the Forgeworld chaos fighter is only 6$ more than a Heldrake (excl. shipping though), and ghat thing is looking pretty neat.
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Feb 20, 2013 08:59
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I like the new chaos book and have a lot of lists out of it. Yeah, cult terminators and more chaos artifacts or legion characters would have been nice but oh well. My main gripe is just with the lovely model releases that came with it. The basic chaos troop box set contains dated plastics and a useless heavy weapon. If they would have released a multi-part kit with the same level of quality as the DV models and Raptors they would have sold a ton of stuff. A huge lack of plastic kits such as a real noise marine or thousand sons box while the bersker box is probably the worst kit in plastic across the entire citadel range. Crappy sculpts being pushed from metal to finecast instead of being redone and still no kits for several good army pieces such as a power armor lord or a Helbrute. For fucks sake, how many times has the space marine dreadnought been redone between the old metal chaos dread and the dark vengeance Helbrute but there is still not a good customizable kit for the drat thing?
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Feb 20, 2013 09:07
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So, does anyone by any chance have a couple copies of the Vraks Transfer Sheet? I'd like to do up my loyalist Space Marines as Angels of Absolution, but it'd be very nice to have the transfers instead of having to paint them all by hand. I figure if I'm lucky, someone did a Red Scorpions army, and has all of the AoA transfers just lying around...
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Feb 20, 2013 09:18
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Ojetor posted:I'm fine with the Chaos book. Even though I play Thousand Sons, I don't care much for the idea of Rubric Terminators or whatever. Adding another four elite choices to accommodate cult terminators seems excessive, as do most other suggestions for legion-specific units. It would lead to a hugely bloated codex. Upgrade the entire unit to plague terminators for x points per model. Plague terminators have the feel no pain rule special rule and an initiative of 3. Only models that have already purchased the mark of nurgle upgrade may purchase the plague terminator upgrade. I'm also okay with a large codex given that CSM have a wide range of forces to represent. For reference, codex marines get 144 pages, while csm get ~105 depending on how you count the fold out. I don't think asking for something on par with codex marines is asking for too much, especially with the change over to hardback and the price increase. I think you're on to something about marks functioning differently for different units though. There's even a little of this in the fantasy warriors of chaos book. Exinos posted:I like the new chaos book and have a lot of lists out of it. Yeah, cult terminators and more chaos artifacts or legion characters would have been nice but oh well. My main gripe is just with the lovely model releases that came with it. Yes, this. I think the chapterhouse thing kinda changed GW's strategy on this, but I'd love to see a new kit for everything you mentioned. humannature fucked around with this message at 11:22 on Feb 20, 2013 |
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Feb 20, 2013 09:34
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MasterSlowPoke posted:There's literally a Khornate hot rod any you nerds hate it?! Kinda, yeah. Those daemon models are pretty dumb daemon models.
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Feb 20, 2013 09:57
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The Khorne hotrod cannon kinda reminds me of the late eighties 40k stuff, when they sort of just cast anything and everything sculptors came up with. Edit: Case in point http://www.solegends.com/citcat1992/c92402chaosspacemarines-01.htm Buffalo squeeze fucked around with this message at 10:13 on Feb 20, 2013 |
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Feb 20, 2013 10:02
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Man, that Khorne cannon/throne thing looks so incredibly stupid. Also, they have a thing for sculpting more and more flames and smoke on their models. I liked it when it was a bit more discrete, like the *splat* on the Skaven Screaming Bell or the smoke rising from a censer, but they just went all out on that Tzeentch model. And I don't like it! 
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Feb 20, 2013 10:18
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Buffalo squeeze posted:Edit: Case in point http://www.solegends.com/citcat1992/c92402chaosspacemarines-01.htm Who wouldn't want to roll with Handicapped Bloodthirster? 
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Feb 20, 2013 10:25
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Nope, sorry, everyone. Those two chariots are the poo poo and they look like they came straight out of the warp. I read someone describe them as looking like John Blanche art in 3D and I'm starting to agree with that.
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Feb 20, 2013 10:36
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AgentF posted:Nope, sorry, everyone. Those two chariots are the poo poo and they look like they came straight out of the warp. I read someone describe them as looking like John Blanche art in 3D and I'm starting to agree with that.
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Feb 20, 2013 11:09
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AgentF posted:Nope, sorry, everyone. Those two chariots are the poo poo and they look like they came straight out of the warp. I read someone describe them as looking like John Blanche art in 3D and I'm starting to agree with that. I was just trying to find his name and make this point exactly. They look straight up from one of his drawings and this must be encouraged. e: As a note of interest, this is what that derpy chaos robot looks like today. Hamshot fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Feb 20, 2013 |
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Feb 20, 2013 11:16
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Lets say I want to ally some necrons into a chaos list. I don't want to have a list written for me, but what are the necron units that I should be looking at to ally in? I know annihilation barges are good, but is there anything else I should be looking at? And should I go with Warriors or Immortals for troops?
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Feb 20, 2013 11:22
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Second game of the campaign is me vs Space Wolves at 1250 pts, here's what I've got so far: code:Generally (because 'no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy'), for any vehicles, the Chosen have a melta bomb each, plus plasma pistols, and the Havocs have 4 autocannons. The Spawn will tackle anything like the dreadnought, vehicles or heavy duty infantry, and the terminators with Abaddon will just wreck whatever is left. Plasma pistols and power fists to insta-kill, mark of Nurgle to make everything extra-tough. Thoughts? Weaknesses? Gaps?
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Feb 20, 2013 12:03
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Not a fan of that Khorne cannon thing. It goes way too far into  mode, and ends up looking like some twelve year olds first conversion. :/Also not sure if I like that the Tzeentch disc thing is shooting blue plankton. It's like they understood daemon models should be whooaaaaa craaaazy weeeeird, but just did a poo poo job of sculpting it. Pass, bring on Tau please GW!
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Feb 20, 2013 12:14
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Cataphract posted:Some might argue that followers of khorne who sit at the back of the battle away from the slaughter and carnage are not true followers of khorne. Khorne cares not from where the blood flows.
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Feb 20, 2013 12:23
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Can't wait for the posts about how after looking at the models in person they don't look that bad. Things are getting predictable around here. At least wait until you see something other than 250x300px images before the rage sets in. John Blanche minis are cool minis
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Did I miss photos of the new daemon releases in a not-terrible resolution? Everyone seems to have seen the details and I can't see poo poo on them.
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Feb 20, 2013 12:30
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I'm assuming all or most of those models will be usable in 40K, right? Do they usually do different codexes for the 40K and Fantasy Chaos armies? I've been threatening my bank account with getting the Chaos book when it came out and a few units of Screamers and Flamers...
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Feb 20, 2013 12:30
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WhiteOutMouse posted:Can't wait for the posts about how after looking at the models in person they don't look that bad. Yeah maybe once people start putting out some cool conversions I might change my mind. I thought the Helldrake and Forgefiend looked terrible until I saw some head swaps/pose changes.
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Feb 20, 2013 12:33
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krushgroove posted:I'm assuming all or most of those models will be usable in 40K, right? Do they usually do different codexes for the 40K and Fantasy Chaos armies? I've been threatening my bank account with getting the Chaos book when it came out and a few units of Screamers and Flamers... yeah, the lines have always been compatible across both systems. Both the codex and army book should be released at the same time too.
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Feb 20, 2013 12:39
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If there's one thing I've noticed in every new release, it's that the studio models are always built straight out of the box in very basic poses. There's no telling what people will actually be able to pull off with these kits and some basic conversions. I'd like to withhold judgement until I've at least seen a 360 view. But the flies look like goofy flying elephants and I can't decide whether the Khorne-mobile is cool or not. I kind of feel that all of the plastic demons are letdowns after how cool the old metals were though. They're just a lot more cartoony than they used to be.
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Ojetor posted:It turned an already pretty bad book into a One List To Rule Them All affair. The one list Tyranids can basically field is a pretty drat strong list, but you don't really have any other options to speak of. Almost all of the entries in the codex may as well be blank at this point for all the good they do, especially the wide variety of T4 multiwound models with lovely saves. I dunno who the gently caress at GW thought it would be a good idea to make that the theme of the codex right after Space Woof Missile Spam and Imperial Guard Mega-Artillery got printed, but there are so many things in the codex that roll over and die to S8 AP3 it's not even funny. Phyresis posted:Why do Tyranids care about Flyers? The impact Flyers have on the game is seriously overstated in general, but Tyranids in particular seem to be able to ignore them for most of the game and just swarm everything else with the sheer number of wounds on the table. They can definitely ignore baleflamer Heldrakes, what are they going to do, burn away a unit of gants? The problem is that most of the "good" flyers are transports and Tyranids have no way of shooting them down to prevent them from just flying over to an objective and claiming it on the last turn. Having to station a large squad of models on EVERY objective on the table is often prohibitively-difficult for an army that also wants to be using those same squads to assault the enemy's main line and can only realistically win fights through attrition. Flyers win games by taking the objectives you can't protect strongly enough, not by mounting All The Guns Forever.
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If you can't kill flyers I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but Vendettas ain't one. Seriously, double TL-devourer Flyrant, swoop behind flyer, skyfire 12 S6 TL BS4 shots into rear armor 10, kill mans. We had a doubles tournament this past weekend where I did exactly this to a Vendetta. 5 pens and a glance meant jink wasn't nearly enough and it went down in flames. Add to this that Hive Guard aren't completely terrible since the flyer can't jink their shots. Granted, you need to not get your flyrant killed the first turn or two, but that shouldn't be too hard.
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AbusePuppy posted:Nevermind that a Dreadnought or Rhino can fire it... BS4, 2+ cover and shooting what was basically a rifle-dread with little robotic arms. AbusePuppy posted:Flyers win games by taking the objectives you can't protect strongly enough, not by mounting All The Guns Forever. 
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WhiteOutMouse posted:Necrons are the best at this. Night Scythe zooms 36" then Warriors calmly stroll out another 6" from the base and rapid fire anything soft you left there to score. Other than necrons, I don't know why you would leave guys in a flier for late game objective grabbing against any army... When a unit in an army spits out 6 S8 shots that ignore cover, you tend not to drop 300+ point deathtraps by them.
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Nope sorry guys those Daemons models are really bad. (The Nurgle units are ok, I guess.) This is coming from someone who likes most of the Fantasy/40k models that have come out since 5th edition hit. I was a big fan of dual kits right up until recently where it's become clear that they rushed the sculptors a little while ago in order to have a stockpile of models ready for this accelerated release schedule. You see it in things like reused CAD pieces (Stormtalon <-> Dark Talon). Also, no plastic greater Daemons? It makes sense financially, of course: players will have to buy the lovely old ones, only to buy the shiny new ones when they are released down the line. In better news, my copy of Death from the Skies got delayed (which I don't really care about since all the relevant info has been disseminated) so GW gave me a $25 gift voucher, which reduces the cost of that piece of poo poo to effectively $8. Now I just have to decide what I'm getting.
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Phyresis posted:Also, no plastic greater Daemons? It makes sense financially, of course: players will have to buy the lovely old ones, only to buy the shiny new ones when they are released down the line. Did they ever move the Greater Daemons over to finecast?
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Phyresis posted:In better news, my copy of Death from the Skies got delayed (which I don't really care about since all the relevant info has been disseminated) so GW gave me a $25 gift voucher, which reduces the cost of that piece of poo poo to effectively $8. Now I just have to decide what I'm getting. Oh? Anything good for Dark Eldar? Or do they skip us in a section like burning skies did? VVV Nope! Thanks anyway. VVV Arbite fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Feb 20, 2013 |
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Business Gorillas posted:Did they ever move the Greater Daemons over to finecast? Yep, even Kairos, and I'm kicking myself for not buying him when he was in metal because there's no way that his staff survives "the Finecast process" intact. Arbite posted:Oh? Anything good for Dark Eldar? Or do they skip us in a section like burning skies did? Nope, it's GW so only the Imperium gets new toys. It has the Burning Skies optional ruleset included that no one's ever going to use, if that helps?
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WhiteOutMouse posted:Can't wait for the posts about how after looking at the models in person they don't look that bad. Best use I'm seeing for the plague drones is to stick them on taller flying stands, keep the riders off, and use'em as count-as Blight Drones if the PD's end up being a crud unit. They (might be) cheaper than the FW ones. I kinda like the Khorne-cannon though, it's suitably over the top and Blanche enough to endear me to it. Slap on some wheels on the front, extended hot rod exhaust pipes along the hood, and you've got the Blazing Hot Rod of Khorne 
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AgentF posted:Nope, sorry, everyone. Those two chariots are the poo poo and they look like they came straight out of the warp. I read someone describe them as looking like John Blanche art in 3D and I'm starting to agree with that. Yeah, I agree. Chaos isn't just scary, it's totally loving weird, and these models do a good job of capturing that vibe.
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Phyresis posted:Nope, it's GW so only the Imperium gets new toys. It has the Burning Skies optional ruleset included that no one's ever going to use, if that helps? The Burning Skies rules are fun incarnate.
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Devlan Mud posted:Yeah, I can't say I'm honestly all that surprised. It seems to me that Legion specific stuff is going to be stuck with the probably terrible ForgeWorld heresy-specific things, which I don't really think are chaos enough at all so far, and I'm not a huge fan of ForgeWorld models or prices in the first place. I'm alright with doing a Night Lords list, since I'm sure there's plenty of ways to get the flavor for the undivided legions in the regular codex by just taking certain models/units, but it's kind of a bummer that I'm gonna limit myself to basically a squad of all the cool cult marines, and they will stick out. On the other side of the coin I completely enjoy the Chaos Codex and have been having more fun with it than ever before. FW prices are just about where GW prices are at the moment so you might want to reconsider. And I am not sure how anyone can not be a fan of FW models which are just all sorts of aweseomesauce. One of the nice side-effects of the mixed reaction that the CSM Codex has received is that at least I don't have a bunch of band wagon hoppers jumping into my pool... For those who have completely given up on CSM (sorry to hear that), if you are interested in selling some of your things let me know. There are a few things I am in the market for. I am kinda bummed that they didn't focus on some Legions but I also understand why they did this. *shrug* Some people are coming up with some amazing Chaos stuff these days.
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Ghost Hand posted:And I am not sure how anyone can not be a fan of FW models which are just all sorts of aweseomesauce. Because they are always always always a huge arseache to work with. And that's when FW send you the correct parts.
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:Because they are always always always a huge arseache to work with. And that's when FW send you the correct parts. I own TONS of FW stuff at this point and the only thing I have had trouble working with is the very large pieces like the Chaos Warhound Titan and the Thunderhawk (Just paid to have others assemble them - I dont need THAT headache). Truth be told I haven't assembled my storm eagles yet and I have heard they are difficult though. The Contemptor Dreadnought is probably one of the finest and most enjoyable to assemble models out there today. I have only once received a bad piece from FW and that was a miscast Rhino Door for my Ultramarines. They replaced the entire set within a couple of days. Most of the complaints and experiences of this I have heard are from the past. It seems to me that FW in the last few years has really gotten their act together. Phyresis posted:Nope sorry guys those Daemons models are really bad. (The Nurgle units are ok, I guess.) This is coming from someone who likes most of the Fantasy/40k models that have come out since 5th edition hit. So for all the people that say I am just a GW Fanboy and never have anything negative to say. I don't care for the nurgle flies there at all. Not a bit. Kind of disappointed in that as well as I had high hopes of adding them to my force based on the premise. Also not a fan of the Khorne Chariots there - though I could see them growing on me. I would like to see them in person first as initial photos are sometimes not revealing enough. Also need to see the burning Chariot of Tzeentch in person as I'm not sure that photo does it justice - I'm hoping it looks better in person. Every other model there is pretty sweet though. Especially liking the Heralds. Ghost Hand fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Feb 20, 2013 |
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theironjef posted:Should have straight up given them the four Force Org slots for more tyranids. Saying they get four less force org options than every other army is the true douche move, choice of what to put in them be damned. Let them run three Hive Tyrants or four units of gargoyles, it makes them swarmier anyway. That's actually an amazingly good idea. They should've just been allowed to take an allied detachment of more Tyranids. Right now, it really does feel like the finger to Tyranid players. Right now, I have a small Tau army, and detachment of Necrons, and a huge Chaos armies. All them of mix and match together, and well, I'll never have my 'Nids get in on the fun. 
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