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John Magnum posted:I don't know about that, even by 1985 and 1986 there were a lot of incredibly fast, heavy, proto-death-y thrash metal albums. And then you have poo poo like Master's Unreleased 1985 Album that would have been nearly a decade ahead of its time. Slayer were certainly pretty popular, but I don't know that they were an indispensable piece of extreme metal's evolution. I agree here, but how many non-metalheads have heard of Master? Now, how many have heard of Slayer? To us, we can kind of roll our eyes at their popularity because really, they're not exceptional in any way. In fact, I think they're pretty lame. But I think they were relevant largely due to all the negative media hype and controversy they received because  satanism I guess it's somewhat more about their influence with the general acceptance and growth in popularity for metal than it is about actually contributing to any musical evolution. To metalheads, that satanism and public outrage was something to identify with. It was the counter culture. What's the problem? Satanism? Yeah that's cool. Slayer  \m/I don't listen to Slayer, but when somebody hears I'm into metal it's common for Slayer to come up, or some other generic band (Cannibal Corpse is another popular choice). It's kind of an easy point of reference. Yeah I listen to satanic poo poo. Honestly I don't care what the lyrics say. I don't understand them half the time anyway, and when they are clear enough to understand then chances are it's in another language. But that's another topic. I don't know. I don't really care either. They probably should have called it quits a long time ago, but I guess enough people are stuck in the realm of existence where the Big 4 are "good metal" (or something) to keep them in business producing lovely music. rxcowboy posted:On a related thrash note, I've been digging Kreator and Sodom lately. What should I listen to next? I've been enjoying Paradox's new album here and there. Fiendish Dr. Wu fucked around with this message at 11:26 on Feb 21, 2013 |
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Feb 21, 2013 11:24
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I don't really care for Slayer either. Hell, I've seen them live twice and was bored both times. I always feel I really should like them more but I just don't. I like Raining Blood and that's it. Every other song by them sounds like a less good version of Raining Blood to me. It all just starts to blend together and sound very samey.
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The thing about Reign In Blood was it was pretty much the only faster thrash album with half-decent sufficiently heavy production well into the early 90s. I know the Scott Burns sound has its charms, but heavy it isn't. Reign In Blood doesn't sound like it was recorded in 1986. I think Morbid Saint's Spectrum Of Death is the best thrash record of the 80s, but it sounds like weak trebly rear end next to Reign In Blood. It's amazing what turning down the reverb does.rxcowboy posted:On a related thrash note, I've been digging Kreator and Sodom lately. What should I listen to next? This is a dumb question but have you listened to Destruction? Alec Bald Snatch fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Feb 21, 2013 |
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Feb 21, 2013 14:11
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watt par posted:The thing about Reign In Blood was it was pretty much the only faster thrash album with half-decent sufficiently heavy production well into the early 90s. Nah it wasn't. But I get what you mean about the treble in stuff like Morbid Saint, Devastation, Deranged etc, even the almighty Rigor Mortis sound tinny by comparison.
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Don't get the Slayer hate at all. Show No Mercy, Reign In Blood, South of Heaven and Seasons in the Abyss are all loving awesome (Not all that fond of Hell Awaits) and I still play Seasons and South of Heaven pretty regularly despite first hearing them many years ago.
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Feb 21, 2013 14:24
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Absolutely. Slayer is awesome, gently caress you all.
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Feb 21, 2013 14:55
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This thread took a turn to the stupid. gently caress all y'all Slayer haters.
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I've never been hugely into Slayer, but Seasons in the Abyss is a loving awesome album. They're not the heaviest or fastest band, even for their time period, but they wrote some killer songs. I do think Slayer's less thrashy songs are their best though. As much as I love War Ensemble, I enjoy poo poo like Dead Skin Mask and Expendable Youth a lot more. Hulk Krogan fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Feb 21, 2013 |
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Feb 21, 2013 15:34
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If the lead-in to South Of Heaven doesn't do funny things to you then you aren't a fan of metal 
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Slayer is ok. I don't think comparing them to where the genre has gone 30 years later is really a thing you should do though.
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That's probably why nobody has been doing that? People have mostly been comparing them to a bunch of other bands from the mid-80s.
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IRQ posted:Slayer is ok. I don't think comparing them to where the genre has gone 30 years later is really a thing you should do though. If it wasn't for slayer, half of the last 30 years wouldn't have happened.
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Morbid Florist posted:If it wasn't for slayer, half of the last 30 years wouldn't have happened. Which half?
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Morbid Florist posted:If it wasn't for slayer, half of the last 30 years wouldn't have happened. They've arguably had more of an impact on hardcore than they have metal at this point. Speaking of which, for the five people who haven't heard it, the Pap Smear demo is both awesome and hilarious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgM-Ec2UPoQ Alec Bald Snatch fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Feb 21, 2013 |
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Feb 21, 2013 16:51
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I think I like the Pap Smear thing better than most Slayer tracks, haha. I know it's an unpopular opinion but they never really did that much for me.
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Feb 21, 2013 17:04
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None Shall Defy is my favorite Slayer album.
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Morbid Florist posted:If it wasn't for slayer, half of the last 30 years wouldn't have happened. I don't think it's fair to say one band is responsible for innovation all the time (or half the time). Look at the Gothenburg movement. In Flames, At the Gates, etc. released similar albums in the same year. The late 80's was ripe for thrash change-up. Reign in Blood is my favorite Slayer album, and speaking of In Flames, Slayer got worse in their later albums too! South of Heaven is eternally badass though.
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Falls Motel posted:I think I like the Pap Smear thing better than most Slayer tracks, haha. I know it's an unpopular opinion but they never really did that much for me. Undisputed Attitude is my favorite Slayer album. Maybe Jeff Hanneman will see the writing on the wall and go make something along those lines. poo poo, Dave Lombardo's not busy at the moment, and Rocky George can't be that busy with Fishbone.
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Feb 21, 2013 18:23
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Hopefully hanneman can keep his skin on long enough to play again
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Feb 21, 2013 18:27
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Also since someone talked about how cool Sabaton's live show was a few pages back here's a corny/cool song they did a while back. Count the references! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8hJddMR8ZU
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Morbid Florist posted:If it wasn't for slayer, half of the last 30 years wouldn't have happened. I don't dispute that they were influential.
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watt par posted:Undisputed Attitude is my favorite Slayer album. Maybe Jeff Hanneman will see the writing on the wall and go make something along those lines. poo poo, Dave Lombardo's not busy at the moment, and Rocky George can't be that busy with Fishbone. Well, for now it seems like Dave Lombardo won't be doing anything with Slayer so I guess he can do whatever he wants!
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Cheapsteaks posted:Well, for now it seems like Dave Lombardo won't be doing anything with Slayer so I guess he can do whatever he wants! That was the joke.
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Feb 21, 2013 19:52
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What? Jokes? There's no room for joking when metal is involved, you fool!
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Suffocation just posted this video on their facebook page: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS6EghVzNsI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS6EghVzNsI Suffocation dude bitching about stuff. e;fb
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Do Not Resuscitate posted:I love how the guy holds up his CD marked "Regular Price: $19.99" and has no moment of clarity. And after that he picks up the $16.99 one, and for a minute I thought he was going short-change himself. I mean he makes a valid argument in that when record sales drop the label drops bands, etc. etc., but to film yourself, in the mall, at the FYE, buying your own poo poo? The whole thing comes across as really juvenile.
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It's kind of hilarious when he holds up the CD and you see the ON SALE-$16.99 price tag. Who spends $17 on a CD that didn't come with a T-shirt or some poo poo anymore? Does the band see any of that additional money or do they get the same cut as when somebody buys the album on Amazon for $9.99? I feel for bands because it's loving impossible to make any money on music nowadays, but I don't see what poo poo like this accomplishes. It'd be one thing if it was funny or entertaining with a gentle "hey go buy our album" nudge, but this just comes off as (somewhat justifiably, to be fair) whiney. I'm all for bands encouraging people who dig them to give them money, but this dude makes it sound like people are watching a torrent tracker going HAHA! gently caress SUFFO! E:F,B
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Surely Nuclear Blast has some sort of digital distribution. Live in the now, dude.
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rxcowboy posted:For the record, I'm not a huge fan of any of the Big Four. I could cherry pick and make a best of CD of all of them, and be perfectly happy never listening to anything else but that best of. Especially for Megadeth.  and, I dunno, a more tempered sound? I'm with you all the way as far as Slayer/Megadeth/Metallica, but I thought Worship Music was pretty goddamn good for a band that's been around for thirty-two years. At least it wasn't a transparent attempt to sound like Among the Living.rxcowboy posted:On a related thrash note, I've been digging Kreator and Sodom lately. What should I listen to next? rivetz fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Feb 21, 2013 |
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rivetz posted:I feel obliged to point out that of the Big Four, Anthrax is definitely at least [/i]trying[/i] a little more diligently to stretch out a bit as a band. They're the only one of the four to me that recognizes that they're older and have opted to go for a more "mature" approach I agree with you on the Anthrax front. The problem with metal bands is that alot of them just don't know when to hang it up, or they know and just refuse. That's why I respect the hell out of Bolt Thrower, in their mind they made the best album they ever were going to make with Those Once Loyal, and they hung it up. I mean, how cool is that? They went out on a loving awesome note. Now look at bands that had they stopped years ago would have been respected more. Metallica, Slayer, Morbid Angel, Entombed, etc. I think they'd be respected more if they admitted what everyone else realizes, that it's time to quit. Also, where do I start with Dust Bolt?
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rxcowboy posted:Also, where do I start with Dust Bolt? Violent Demolition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLI5M4OfNjQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKPMe5HT7VQ I mean, they've only got one EP and one full length, so you can't really go wrong.
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Worship Music was nice, even if it's more of a general heavy metal album than a rock album. It felt more honest than 13, which seemed like Dave Mustaine aiming for radio success when his songs intended to be radio friendly are absolutely terrible (Risk!). He needs to do another Endgame, which while batshit loving crazy about FEMA death camps and whatnot was really fun to listen to. I'm morbidly curious about what Metallica and Slayer have planned next. Metallica says they want to make something "shorter and punchier" like the Black Album, but even that album only had a handful of songs that were around four minutes or less. It still had about four songs above six minutes, which lead the way to the plodding epics on their later works. And Slayer is just Slayer. Really as long as Testament and Overkill don't self destruct then I'll be happy as far as the groups with old men playing thrash.
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