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eSports Chaebol posted:George Romney didn't have much of a chance a generation ago either, so it's not like Republicans were that much less conservative. Well, Romney self-destructed over claiming the Pentagon had "brainwashed" him over the Vietnam war. His collapse was due more to inept campaigning than his particular views. The winds had changed, however, and the Rockefeller/Romney liberal wing of the party was in decline.
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eSports Chaebol posted:George Romney didn't have much of a chance a generation ago either, so it's not like Republicans were that much less conservative. Over the summer my aging uncle showed me his Romney pin. Apparently before he joined the service he was a big George Romney fan.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:1. Carson is a Christian fundamentalist and finds comfort in the social circles of other Christen fundamentalists. You forgot 5. (though arguably it's part of 1) 5. Proponent of Intelligent Design.
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Hopefully Carson's self-aware enough to savor his 15 minutes before he's relegated to the Black Tea Party Hero Graveyard alongside Allen West, Alan Keyes, Mia Love, and the Herminator. And they thirsted not when he led them through the deserts
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Meanwhile in Montana.quote:We spoke to Schweitzer on Wednesday and he said, "I am not goofy enough to be in the House, and I'm not senile enough to be in the Senate."  (Crossposted from the midterms thread (we have one of those!) because it's clearly relevant to both)
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mcmagic posted:Well in fairness that IS how republicans used to be before the monster they created with their batshit base took over. You know, I wonder just how aware Huntsman was of his party. Because it depends on the circles you run in. Coming from a major liberal area, all the batshit loving insane, ranting out of their mouths, vicious, hate filled, and just outright nasty individuals I run into are die hard partisan Democrats. The Republicans around here, all very nice, polite, charitable, country club type likeable people, and all completely sane. I've been to places where this is reversed though, tends to be in conservative strongholds. I could totally buy that Huntsman just didn't realize how much of "the base" in the areas it's strongest in was totally deranged, because he never really ran into them for any extended period. That most republicans were like the type he knew from business, being a governor, and being a US Ambassador twice. Because the way he ran the campaign it seemed he was going for the Washington DC, Chicago, NYC, Republican socialite crowd from the cocktail parties. You know, the kind of people who'd be impressed when you say global warming is real, gays are OK, and you speak Chinese to them. I travel in the circles where that poo poo sells off and on, and a good majority of them are completely oblivious as to what the majority of their political allies are actually like.
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SilentD posted:You know, I wonder just how aware Huntsman was of his party. Because it depends on the circles you run in. Coming from a major liberal area, all the batshit loving insane, ranting out of their mouths, vicious, hate filled, and just outright nasty individuals I run into are die hard partisan Democrats. The Republicans around here, all very nice, polite, charitable, country club type likeable people, and all completely sane. I've been to places where this is reversed though, tends to be in conservative strongholds. Yeah I totally have contrarian counterintuitive anecdotes too, hold on I'll dig/make some up in a few minutes.
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SilentD posted:You know, I wonder just how aware Huntsman was of his party. Because it depends on the circles you run in. Coming from a major liberal area, all the batshit loving insane, ranting out of their mouths, vicious, hate filled, and just outright nasty individuals I run into are die hard partisan Democrats. The Republicans around here, all very nice, polite, charitable, country club type likeable people, and all completely sane. I've been to places where this is reversed though, tends to be in conservative strongholds. Huntsman was governor of Utah, he'd have to have been willfully ignorant to have avoided the Republican base there.
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Vivek posted:Huntsman was governor of Utah, he'd have to have been willfully ignorant to have avoided the Republican base there. More to the point--it was until August of 2009. If it wasn't already completely obvious before January 2009, it certainly would've been totally blatant after that.
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Joementum posted:Meanwhile in Montana. Schweitzer/Castro v Christie/anyone in 2016. I want to see that map.
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Phoon posted:Schweitzer/Castro v Christie/anyone in 2016. I want to see that map. We really don't have a sense of how Schweitzer will play on a big stage yet. There is a sense that he has a lot of superficial characteristics that should appeal to many Republicans (bolo tie wearing guy from the Great American West with a great dog) and is willing to be more progressive than a lot of prominent Democrats, but he hasn't had to win at a national level or in a really big state. Rick Perry and Sarah Palin looked pretty good as sketched outlines of candidates before everyone got to know them a lot better too.
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Schweitzer will not play well with women. His huckster Barnum car salesman act a lot of posters here find so charming, the women I've asked about find it lame and another kind of macho bullshit. I kind of agree. I mean, he has a literal branding iron he uses to veto bills, and people think that is a cool awesome thing to do and not a parody? Riding around saying yee haw with a bolo tie on showing off his gun collection, why should that impress anyone?
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greatn posted:Schweitzer will not play well with women. His huckster Barnum car salesman act a lot of posters here find so charming, the women I've asked about find it lame and another kind of macho bullshit. I kind of agree. Yeah he act is a little small time for president. I could see him in the senate though.
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Of course my sample pool of women are mostly liberal arts professors, so there's obviously not a wide ranging cross section.
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Clinton/Schweitzer 2016, make it happen.
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Schweitzer doesn't annoy me perhaps as much as he should because he uses the cowboy BS to push a genuinely liberal agenda. Hell, didn't he try to get single-payer in Montana when he was governor?
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greatn posted:Schweitzer will not play well with women. His huckster Barnum car salesman act a lot of posters here find so charming, the women I've asked about find it lame and another kind of macho bullshit. I kind of agree. It's sort of charming because I find politics fairly ridiculous and I interpret his behavior as reflecting that. At that level, a politician's public persona is always an act, so there's something endearing about how explicitly his is an act. I do agree that it would come off poorly on a national level. He could keep some of his plain-spoken persona, but poo poo like the branding iron is just too much. greatn posted:Of course my sample pool of women are mostly liberal arts professors, so there's obviously not a wide ranging cross section. My recollection is that polling backs this up somewhat. He does better with women than men because, well, he's a Democrat, but he does so with smaller margins than other Montana Democrats or than President Obama in Montana. Of course, this could also reflect unusually popularity with men for a Democrat, and I haven't seen any analysis which would try to distinguish the two.
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greatn posted:Schweitzer will not play well with women. His huckster Barnum car salesman act a lot of posters here find so charming, the women I've asked about find it lame and another kind of macho bullshit. I kind of agree. Yeah, but is he going to alienate women enough to stay home? Who's he really competing against anyway? I don't see how he'd do worse than even Ayotte, and I'm sure he'd tone down a little bit of the hucksterism if/when he decides to throw his hat in the ring.
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Alter Ego posted:Schweitzer doesn't annoy me perhaps as much as he should because he uses the cowboy BS to push a genuinely liberal agenda. Hell, didn't he try to get single-payer in Montana when he was governor? Schweitzer's great on a few things like health care and good government, and because Montana ran budget surpluses he wasn't forced to make the sorts of thorny decisions that have caused other Democrats to not act very Democratic on things like budgets and labor. But in the broader picture Schweitzer's very much your typical rural conservadem; he's a tough on crime warrior, he's very anti-gun control, he's a big tax cutter, he's been one of the strongest supporters of the Keystone pipeline, etc. This is the type of Democrat that can win in Montana (Jon Tester has a fairly similar issue profile), but he's really not a liberal.
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greatn posted:I mean, he has a literal branding iron he uses to veto bills, and people think that is a cool awesome thing to do and not a parody? Riding around saying yee haw with a bolo tie on showing off his gun collection, why should that impress anyone?
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I think my favorite Schweitzer myth/story is that when the Tea Partiers in his legislature made passing a budget into a huge ordeal, he went through the passed bill and line-item vetoed out all the stuff that would've gone to the TP districts in the name of "cutting costs". This may have been exaggerated or embellished, but I really hope that it's true.
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I think his was the last campaign that Sirota worked on and he's pretty sincerely lefty, so much so that he seems to mainly sit on the fringes these days lobbing spitballs between opinion pieces. I'd be interested to see what he thinks of the Governor's record since, at the time, he was really high on Schweitzer.
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I have no idea what Schweitzer's true beliefs are, but two things are clear: 1) He's an extremely gifted and canny politician, corny showboating and all (Sirota has an essay about his experience on the first gubernatorial campaign online somewhere that really drives this point home); 2) Warts and all, he's probably about as far to the left as you could ever hope to get from a Montana Democrat. If he really wants to run for president (as he's hinted at a few times), he knows he'll have to move to the left on some of the issues jeffersonlives mentioned.
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Lol, Schweitzer just shared this link on his Facebook page with no comment: http://www.nationaljournal.com/poli...ejg56A0M.mailto
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showbiz_liz posted:Lol, Schweitzer just shared this link on his Facebook page with no comment: It's good for him, esp is he's getting ready to run for the Sanate, for people to be talking about him as a presidential candidate. I doubt he runs though.
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Here's the 2016 weekly recap. Last week my favorite story was Rand Paul denying he wore a hairpiece. This week? The first in (what is sure to be) a long-running series of stories about voters struggling to remember Martin O'Malley.
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mcmagic posted:It's good for him, esp is he's getting ready to run for the Sanate, for people to be talking about him as a presidential candidate. I doubt he runs though. It's like a mashup of 'Sane' and 'Senate,' comical as it is contrarian. I know it's a typo, but the Senate is anything but sane and there's never a bad time to point that out. Unless it is from the House of Representatives that one is making such a claim, in which case they'd still be right in the absolute but hilariously wrong in the relative. Much like how Chris Christie might call Michael Moore or Rush Limbaugh fat. Yes, they are both clearly tubby, but Governor Krispy Kreme over there has about as much room to talk as his fat rear end does in a freight elevator.
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Some states just won't give up on rigging the 2016 election, like Pennsylvania and Michigan. http://www.nationalmemo.com/gop-plot-to-steal-the-2016-election-continues/ National Memo posted:Michigan’s Republican Party approved a resolution Saturday that would change the way the states award electoral votes from the winner-take-all system that has existed since the state’s admission to the Union. "We believed the polls and assumed all was well, we won't be so gullible next time!"
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Joementum posted:Here's the 2016 weekly recap. Last week my favorite story was Rand Paul denying he wore a hairpiece. This week? The first in (what is sure to be) a long-running series of stories about voters struggling to remember Martin O'Malley. If Bob Shrum doesn't think O'Malley can win, does that mean he's a solid pick?
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Chris Christie wasn't invited to CPAC. The conservative movement hates him.
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mcmagic posted:Chris Christie wasn't invited to CPAC. The conservative movement hates him.
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ufarn posted:Even Chris Hayes was invited. I like that he was going to go at first and then decided against it because of GOProud getting shut out... Like it took that for him to realize that CPAC was full of bigots... That would've been an epic panel to watch online though.
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ufarn posted:Even Chris Hayes was invited. He is one of America's leading conservatives.
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mcmagic posted:I like that he was going to go at first and then decided against it because of GOProud getting shut out... Like it took that for him to realize that CPAC was full of bigots... That would've been an epic panel to watch online though.
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ufarn posted:And ... I mean, it's GOProud. Lot of pride there is in always backing down from an LGBT fight. They are pretty much College Republican/Breitards who happen to be gay and feel like talking about it once a year or so before they go back to supporting candidates who demagogue them.
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mcmagic posted:They are pretty much College Republican/Breitards who happen to be gay and feel like talking about it once a year or so before they go back to supporting candidates who demagogue them.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Reminder that GOProud took no position of same sex marriage until last month. Because a group viewing you as a sub human is no reason not to agree with them about loving over poor people!
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Reminder that GOProud took no position of same sex marriage until last month. Well before then their position was abject capitulation, it's the specific reason why they broke off from the Log Cabin Republicans.
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